Dublin: New National Childrens Hospital - Start date end 2010

[odlum833]

Details are currently being finalised for the New National Childrens Hospital to be built on a site beside the Mater Hospital on the North side of the city.

Children's hospital will be twice the size of Croke Park
Giant: Planned 3750m facility set to save 325m each year




By Caitlin McBride


Friday October 16 2009

The new Children's Hospital of Ireland will be twice the size of Croke Park and still save an impressive €25m per year.

The €750m hospital will have up to 399 single, en-suite bedrooms on the impressive site beside the Mater Hospital in Dublin.

The floor space of the building will measure one million square feet and offer 800 car spaces, while there are also plans to locate a Metro rail station next to it.

Three major Dublin hospitals will transfer to the new facility, including Our Lady's Hospital for Sick Children in Crumlin, Temple Street and the National Children's Hospital in Tallaght.

World-class

Minister for Health Mary Harney said that the world-class facility will be open as soon as possible and lead to a savings of €25m per year.

"This is a number one building priority in the health area over the next number of years and, yes, building will be completed on time," she said.

The Murray O'Laoire/Brian O'Connell/NBBJ consortium was selected from 17 national and international consortia as the preferred candidate to design the new hospital.

Taoiseach Brian Cowen said he welcomed the fact that all three of the major children's hospitals were on board with the plan.

"The design team will begin their work immediately and their target is to begin building work by the last quarter of next year and to have the hospital opened in 2014.

"We now spend €250m on the running costs of the three paediatric hospitals in the city each year," he said.

Brian Gilroy, HSE Executive director of capital projects said the Sisters of Mercy who own Mater Hospital gave the site to the state free of charge when it was worth a staggering €90m.

He said that cost could be controlled by working with a package containing 40pc of the design element before construction begins.

Mr Gilroy said the state would be meeting €400m of the cost of the new facility with the balance coming from charitable donations, revenue from the car park, research and the Ronald McDonald home from home project.

Teresa Shallow, co-founder of Save Our Lady's Children's Hospital Campaign said they welcomed the construction of a state-of-the-art children's hospital but will continue to fight for Crumlin.

Catastrophic

"We believe that having one national hospital will have catastrophic results, with parents trying to access the facility during rush hour and having to travel longer distances.

"The big boys have broken now. They are going against all advice they have been given but we will never give up on Crumlin," she said.

However, the New Crumlin Hospital Group believe the new Children's Hospital of Ireland would put the country at the forefront of hospital services for children.

cmcbride@herald.ie

- Caitlin McBride

[Catmalojin]

Although I support the idea of a centralised national children's hospital, this location is probably one of the worst they could have chosen. It should be built out on the edge of the city in open land, preferably near the N4 or N7 and near the M50 for quick access to the rest of the country.

But wait, it's Bertie Ahern's constituency...

[odlum833]

If it was built in tandem with Metro North that would sort alot of the transport issues. Also, in fairness to the site, it is not exactly a transport desert as it is. Buses, taxis, and trains can be used to get there aswell.

[Catmalojin]

I'm thinking more along the lines of ambulances. We can't ferry sick children about in Metro trains (although I'm not denying the Metro station would be an advantage for the site). Building it next to a motorway on the outskirts of the city (possibly near one of the new DART lines or Metro West) would be far safer when rushing children about in life-or-death situations rather than having to contend with Dublin traffic.

[oneborneveryminute]

Originally Posted by Catmalojin

I'm thinking more along the lines of ambulances. We can't ferry sick children about in Metro trains (although I'm not denying the Metro station would be an advantage for the site). Building it next to a motorway on the outskirts of the city (possibly near one of the new DART lines or Metro West) would be far safer when rushing children about in life-or-death situations rather than having to contend with Dublin traffic.

doesn't really make sense.
the vast majority of attendees at the hospital will travel under their own steam, so better to be central and accessible by public transport.
as far as emergencies are concerned having it on the M50 only an advantage if the patient is close to the M50 - and as the M50 is not that central siting it there would be of dubious value.

[plank007]

Don't see the sense putting on the M50.

[nordisk celt83]

I do think it would have been better suited in a different location. However, the plans have been made, so it'd be nice to see it go ahead asap.

[Catmalojin]

Bump.

New children's hospital due in 2015
Tuesday, 12 October 2010 11:27

The proposed new National Children's Hospital is not expected to be operational until 2015, according to detailed plans for the facility published today by its development board.

The hospital will cost €650m, with building work due to start towards the end of next year, subject to planning permission.

The new National Children's Hospital will have 445 beds, comprising 392 single inpatient beds and 53 day care beds.

The planning submission process started this month.

The hospital will have 13 operating theatres and will be built up to 16 storeys high, on a site near the Mater Hospital in Dublin.

It will have up to 1,000 underground car park spaces. Parents and families requiring long-stay parking will not be charged.

The Exchequer will provide €400m towards the cost of building the hospital, €50m will be provided by the Health Service Executive, €90m will come from the car park, retail units and private clinics and €110m from philanthropy and fundraising.

An Ambulatory and Urgent Care Centre will open at Tallaght Hospital in late 2013 before its children's hospital moves to the new national centre.

Story from RTÉ News:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1012/hospital.html

[odlum833]

Design unveiled today. Looks good so far. Will get more pics later.

[nordisk celt83]

The design looks really good!!!

This, DIT Grangegorman, Metro North and Luas BXD could completely transform this whole part of the city.... If they go ahead that is.

[Catmalojin]

The design is brilliant! Let's see who (if anyone) objects to it - because the promoters have one weapon on their side:

[saoró...]

Originally Posted by nordisk celt83

The design looks really good!!!

This, DIT Grangegorman, Metro North and Luas BXD could completely transform this whole part of the city.... If they go ahead that is.

They hate it over on archiseek, lol. Maybe i've no taste, I like it too :P would like to see it in proper context though, better renders would be, erm, better.

[nordisk celt83]

They hate everything over on archiseek... Although, I like one sugestion that it could be placed down in the docklands with easy access to the M1 tunnel, the Luas and Spencer Dock station. (somewhere near the abandonned Anglo hq maybe)

[odlum833]

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Review panel endorses Mater site for new Children's Hospital



04/07/2011 - 18:44:32




An independent review panel has endorsed the Mater site in Dublin as the best location for the new National Children's Hospital.

The panel was appointed by Health Minister James Reilly to evaluate the proposed site. It conducted a financial analysis carried out by architect John Cooper as well as a clinical review by four international experts

Its conclusions will now be put to the Cabinet and the health minister has said he will make a statement on the hospital this Wednesday.

A formal planning application still has to be made for the development, but ifs given the green light, the Mater Children's Hospital should be open to patients in 2015.

Some €30m has been spent on the project to date, with concerns having been expressed about the Mater location in relation to cost, design and access.

Announcing the independent review in May, Minister Reilly had said the Government was committed to the construction of a new children’s hospital and recognised the need to ensure that the project is delivered in the most cost effective way and with the maximum benefit for patients.

“It is my intention to ensure the best possible clinical outcomes for children within the resources available”, the Minister said.

The panel's endorsement of the Mater site was this evening welcomed Fianna Fáil spokesperson on health Billy Kelleher.

“The children of Ireland and their families need access to the best possible healthcare," Deputy Kelleher said.

"This can be delivered through the new national children’s hospital at the Mater. I look forward to a positive announcement in this regard being made by the Minister this week."


Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/r...#ixzz1RAZaS9KU

[Viking74]

I see that they've recommended that the height be reduced too
More of the same for stump city

[odlum833]

They will have to increase the footprint if they reduce the height. Im guessing they will get it down to 14 floors but it is only a recommendation which may not be feasible. Should be adequate enough. Not pushed on the height personally as the main structure is very bulky.


It will be great to get the gap filled with something.

[JD47]

I like the idea of it but I just cant agree on the location.
If this is a mistake then people will have there life at risk.
I would say they put ambulance lanes up and down the street to
make it easier to get up.
Hope it works.

[JD47]

I have one thing I dont understand.
Why are they making this nice hospital and at the same time closing down the likes of Our Ladys and Tallaght.
That just means we were back to square one with all the beds being used up in the new one and no room, why dont they built this and give money to Tallaght to stay open so there is more room for sick kids all over the country and they should make the money to keep them running cause it is for a good cause and me personally, I would rather spend my money on building this and keeping the others open instead of bailing out the banks.
I dont get it.

[Catmalojin]

Children's hospital decision due in September
Updated: 21:59, Wednesday, 6 July 2011



The Government has said it will make a final decision on proceeding with the development of a new €650m national children's hospital after its overall review of capital spending is completed in September.

Minister for Health Dr James Reilly said that the independent review of the project gave unanimous and unequivocal support for the Matter Hospital site.

The review said that while no perfect site is available, co-location with an adult hospital was essential.

It said that the cost of developing the hospital at the Mater would be similar to the cost of developing it elsewhere.

The Government has asked the Hospital Development Board to proceed as a matter of urgency in submitting the planning application to An Bord Pleanála.

Hospital could be open by 2016

The independent review of the plans for a new children's hospital says that if their recommendations are followed the new hospital could be opened by the end of 2016.

However, if the hospital is moved to a new location, it could be delayed until 2019.

The report calls for an urgent review of aspects of the hospital design, including the helicopter pad, the emergency department and radiology.

Due to wind problems, the helicopter pad will not now be on the roof of the children's hospital but will be moved to the Mater adult hospital. An access link bridge will join the two facilities.

The hospital is to have 736 patient parking spaces.

Story from RTÉ News:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0706/hospital.html

It all comes down to funding, now....

[PeteC]

Originally Posted by JD47

I have one thing I dont understand.
Why are they making this nice hospital and at the same time closing down the likes of Our Ladys and Tallaght.
That just means we were back to square one with all the beds being used up in the new one and no room, why dont they built this and give money to Tallaght to stay open so there is more room for sick kids all over the country and they should make the money to keep them running cause it is for a good cause and me personally, I would rather spend my money on building this and keeping the others open instead of bailing out the banks.
I dont get it.

The whole point of having one National Childrens Hospital is that there will be huge savings in operational costs by having one hospital instead of several. That means we will be able to deliver a better service for less money. Building the new hospital beside the Mater means it will have access to a broader range of specialist treatments, specialised clinical staff, research and education facilities, etc.