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Old March 5th, 2013, 03:32 AM   #10081
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Their offices are 81,000 sq. feet, exactly the amount Indystar is looking for. Maybe Corey should write another speculative article apropos of nothing concrete.

Or... One of us could claim to have the inside track on some complicated deal making, and get it in print! C'mon.. who wants to start a baseless rumor?
Indystar should go into the Safeco building at 500 N. Meridian.

Brutalist 70's architecture, attached parking garage...they'll feel right at home.

But if they want naming rights, Landmark is the place. 160,000+ pairs of eyes a day see Baldwin & Lyons' name from I-65 and Meridian. And WTHR-13 (across the street) is already their "newsgathering partner". Imagine the fight with DMD over a Times Square-style news ticker facing the street and interstate in the Regional Center!
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Old March 5th, 2013, 03:40 AM   #10082
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Look, I love Indianapolis and think we are blessed with some really amazing urban spaces. There are so many good things happining here and i see more and more people having pride in our city. I guess I just get frustrated when I don't see that pride reflected in our city streets. It seems so mundain to say that streets should be built with plantable tree lawns and street trees but those basic thing don't seem to be happening on a consistent basis or at all.
Hoss, I actually assumed you loved the city very much, which is why you got so passionate with defending the city in response to your girlfriend's criticisms.

I was just giving my own observations, not questioning your loyalty to the city. I only laugh a little because I was thinking the other day about how Internet threads, like this one, are not really the best forum for discussion since individuals seem to frequently misinterpret the tone of others' remarks.

In any event, I agree that Indianapolis has seen some good progress in urban design, and perhaps more importantly, with the thinking of its residents about urban issues, but the progress has been gradual (and of course, there have been a few setbacks).

If you care about seeing good urban design in the city, then I suggest you keep advocating for it. And, whenever possible, voice your opinions to your local elected officials (in particular, attend public meetings often and speak up.).
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Old March 5th, 2013, 03:40 AM   #10083
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Casinos promise the world and deliver nothing. Look at areas where there are casinos (shreveport, e. Stl, detroit, atlantic city, gary and the list goes in), more heartache than anything else. Jobs are minimum wage, gambling addiction goes thru the roof and generally spikes in crime once thieves figure out the inner workings. Even vegas had to retool itself from gambling to being a family destination.
Check out the Sunday Indy Star. Casinos have brought hundreds of millions in tax revenue to Indiana's casino counties, cities, and towns.

They also helped pay for infrastructure incentives for Honda in Greensburg...thousands of jobs.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 04:18 AM   #10084
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Here's the thing about urban casinos; both sides have legitimate points, but I'd argue those against it have less tenuous arguments than those for them. Urban casino bring in more benefits than create problems, so on net, they are a benefit to their communities. The only issue I see with them is how they are sold to a community, and their benefits are often oversold. If you're expecting them to be a panacea or even the major spark to revitalizing a stagnant neighborhood, you'll probably be disappointed. What they are is simply another piece of the puzzle and another entertainment option.

This idea of professionally-run casinos as Wild West gambling saloons and halls breeding crime and vice is just silly, though, and reminds me of the ideology used to implement Prohibition. Gambling is already happening; so long as people are not under any illusions about what these establishments can bring, and so long as you're not oversaturating a market, I believe it shouold be up to a community whether they want one or not.

I'm not judging whether Indy should have one or not, but it's an legitimate entertainment option, and keeps money circulating in a community that is know traveling across city and county lines to other cities and counties and even other states.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:40 AM   #10085
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Old March 5th, 2013, 01:53 PM   #10086
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Union Station, hands down.
Circle Center? Then we could turn the retail loose onto the streets and Simon could do whatever..............
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:17 PM   #10087
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Had dinner at the Napolese downtown last night. They opened yesterday at 11:00am. Really nice build out! They took full advantage of the space with its columns and high ceilings. A really nice addition to downtown, plus it saves me the drive to 49th and Penn. Oh yeah, they've also got a full (nicely stocked!) bar.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #10088
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Exhibit A of City storefront regulation disaster: Dick's Last Resort on Maryland. If the chain requires that cartoon storefront, then not in downtown Indianapolis.
I am probably in the minority on this one, but this really doesn't bother me. Ill take 10 of these before I take another sky-walk....

just sayin
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Old March 5th, 2013, 07:35 PM   #10089
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Nice work Moochie, Let us all know how it goes........maybe an SSC opening day special?
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Old March 5th, 2013, 08:44 PM   #10090
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Sounds cool, Mooch, hope it all goes well.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 08:57 PM   #10091
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The U.S. Census Bureau says Marion County has the highest number of commuters in the nation traveling from another county. Newly-released results from the American Community Survey suggest more than 205,000 workers make the commute from other counties. More here
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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #10092
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http://www.wishtv.com/dpp/news/polit...itches-parties
My day has just been offically made.
And thats why Indy is awesome instead of following other big cities like Democratic Sheep. We stand out for our political independence and whats best for the community and the city. Hence why the future is bright in Indy.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 09:43 PM   #10093
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The U.S. Census Bureau says Marion County has the highest number of commuters in the nation traveling from another county. Newly-released results from the American Community Survey suggest more than 205,000 workers make the commute from other counties. More here
Thanks for passing that along.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #10094
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The U.S. Census Bureau says Marion County has the highest number of commuters in the nation traveling from another county. Newly-released results from the American Community Survey suggest more than 205,000 workers make the commute from other counties. More here
I'm presuming that should read the highest percentage of its workers commuting from other counties. Surely, Manhattan has many, many, more commuters coming in.

I guess the upside would be that Marion County still has jobs, but unfortunately, too many workers don't wish to live here.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 12:27 AM   #10095
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Change happens slowly and incrementally. We are starting to see emphasis on things moving the right way, even if some things are still getting built wrong. For instance, we are turning some long standing 1 ways into 2 ways. We got most of the design of the Cultural Trail and Georgia street right.

We still have some poor things happening like the Meridian Street bridge over white river with narrow sidewalks, still subsidizing parking garages, etc. But nobody is going to turn the page in a couple years. It takes time and lots of vocal input from folks like us. Simply thumping your chest on a message board does nothing.

When you get to know the players and get involved, you have a better chance of affecting change. Not saying it always works, but better than complaining.

Also, I was in Charlotte a little over a year ago to ride the Lynx light rail. I did not come away impressed with their city. I would say its comparable to Indy as far as downtowns go. I would say Charlotte is a bit more sterile than Indy. I felt like there were more dead blocks and parking garages. But maybe I didnt get around enough...
Change happens way too slowly in Indy. You are right that trying to get involved and meet the players sounds like a good way to affect change. Unfortunately, if you ask too many questions, you can very quickly be blacklisted and ignored by DPW.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #10096
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My day has just been offically made.
And thats why Indy is awesome instead of following other big cities like Democratic Sheep. We stand out for our political independence and whats best for the community and the city. Hence why the future is bright in Indy.
Well........no.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:26 AM   #10097
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The U.S. Census Bureau says Marion County has the highest number of commuters in the nation traveling from another county. Newly-released results from the American Community Survey suggest more than 205,000 workers make the commute from other counties. More here
It has among the highest. The Census Bureau listed over a dozen or so of these exact same reports, today, of other counties.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:32 AM   #10098
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My day has just been offically made.
And thats why Indy is awesome instead of following other big cities like Democratic Sheep. We stand out for our political independence and whats best for the community and the city. Hence why the future is bright in Indy.
This isn't really germane to development. It isn't election season either.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:59 AM   #10099
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It has among the highest. The Census Bureau listed over a dozen or so of these exact same reports, today, of other counties.
I don't consider it a mark of distinction, regardless.

And if the average income of those 200,000 people is $80,000, that's $16 billion in wages not being taxed in Marion County where those workers use municipal services daily. If they paid 1/3 of the resident income tax (about 0.5%), that would be about $80 million in taxes.
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Old March 6th, 2013, 10:26 AM   #10100
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I don't consider it a mark of distinction, regardless.

And if the average income of those 200,000 people is $80,000, that's $16 billion in wages not being taxed in Marion County where those workers use municipal services daily. If they paid 1/3 of the resident income tax (about 0.5%), that would be about $80 million in taxes.
$80,000 is way too high. But I get your point and agree fully.
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