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Old February 28th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #1441
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Continuation of this project is needed.
Why? The other trains China is working on are far more advanced.
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Old February 28th, 2013, 05:01 PM   #1442
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Why? The other trains China is working on are far more advanced.
Well, yes, but with China Star, it can be truthfully be claimed that it's indigenous and thus have far fewer hurdles to pass to get to export.
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Old March 1st, 2013, 04:21 AM   #1443
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It's in the museum, and history now.



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Old March 1st, 2013, 05:10 AM   #1444
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Well, yes, but with China Star, it can be truthfully be claimed that it's indigenous and thus have far fewer hurdles to pass to get to export.
The Chinese wisely saw that their effort was not up to par and then proceeded with technology transfer. They recognised that others were better and went with that.
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The train could use a coat of wax to shiny it up abit.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:32 AM   #1446
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Well, yes, but with China Star, it can be truthfully be claimed that it's indigenous and thus have far fewer hurdles to pass to get to export.
This indigenous project should be restarted some day.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 06:16 AM   #1447
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The train could use a coat of wax to shiny it up abit.
but then it won't look old and authentic, notice the other train also have a rustic rather than a shiny look.

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Continuation of this project is needed.

Though far less glamorous, I consider two design to be more significant. As they will take over the D train service and regional train service when the first gen CRH eventually retire, and make up the bulk of the high speed fleet.


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Old March 5th, 2013, 07:23 AM   #1448
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I'm guessing if China were to build high speed maglev lines, the first one would be between Beijing and Shanghai, the moment the existing line runs out of space for more trains/passengers
Most probably. For non-stop services a 500/550 km/h maglev train will reduce the journey time to under 3h, city centre to city centre.
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Old March 5th, 2013, 07:43 AM   #1449
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CRH380D which will be used on Hangzhou-Nanjing and Hangzhou-Ningbo HSR

Max speed: 380km/h



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Old March 5th, 2013, 12:59 PM   #1450
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Will there be a direct Nanjing-Ningbo G-train?
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Old March 5th, 2013, 05:34 PM   #1451
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CRH380D which will be used on Hangzhou-Nanjing and Hangzhou-Ningbo HSR

Max speed: 380km/h



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DJJ1 Blue Arrow is a much more successful domestic HSR project than China Star, it operated for 13 years until Dec 2012 when all eight trainsets reached their operational life and were removed from service (Guiyang-Liupanshui) for evaluation.



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Old March 6th, 2013, 02:12 PM   #1453
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Why are the wheels yellow?
These are instrumented wheelsets. I guess.

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Old March 6th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #1454
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DJJ1 Blue Arrow is a much more successful domestic HSR project than China Star, it operated for 13 years until Dec 2012 when all eight trainsets reached their operational life and were removed from service (Guiyang-Liupanshui) for evaluation.
I've never heard about this train. It looks really cool. The cars look like the cars on the CRH1.

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I've never heard about this train. It looks really cool. The cars look like the cars on the CRH1.
There are some pretty cool videos of DJJ1 running at full speed (supposedly 220km/h). It was, if I'm not mistaken, the first 'real' HSR trainset to be used on Guangshen railway

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Old March 7th, 2013, 02:11 AM   #1456
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I've never heard about this train. It looks really cool. The cars look like the cars on the CRH1.
Yeah this and the DJF2 Pioneer are my two favorite domestic HSR trains, the latter is a true high speed power distributed EMU which set a 292.8 km/h record in 2002. A lone trainset was built and operated commercially until it was retired to Nanjing Institute of Railway Technology last year.
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There are some pretty cool videos of DJJ1 running at full speed (supposedly 220km/h). It was, if I'm not mistaken, the first 'real' HSR trainset to be used on Guagshen railway

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The first one would be the imported x2000.
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Thanks for the video pansori and picture hmmwv! Were these trains just really inefficient compared to trains like the CRH1? Also did these trains get the D designation?
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Yep, I just did some reading about X2000. The train in the video is not a DJJ1 but a X2000 which is a Swedish design. I never knew China has imported Swedish HSR (or quasi-HSR) technology.

So is DJJ1 somehow related to X2000? DJJ1 is a loco-hauled train while X2000 looks like an EMU which makes it somewhat impossible/unlikely.

Also, isn't China Star developed on the basis of DJJ1?
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Thanks for the video pansori and picture hmmwv! Were these trains just really inefficient compared to trains like the CRH1? Also did these trains get the D designation?
DJJ1 is China's first high speed EMU that entered serial production so understandably there are lots of issues with them, they are generally speaking pretty good but definitely not as good as mature products from world class train makers. DJF2 was reportedly even better with all the right ingredients of a modern high speed EMU, it's regarded as a mini 300 Series Shinkansen due to imported Japanese technology. It was however born at the wrong time since by the time i passed all MOR trials the ministry under Mr. Liu had already decided on adopting imported foreign technologies. I don't blame him given how willing those train makers were to share technologies, if I'm MOR and all the sudden I realized I can get all those technologies for virtually free I'd jump on it too.

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Yep, I just did some reading about X2000. The train in the video is not a DJJ1 but a X2000 which is a Swedish design. I never knew China has imported Swedish HSR (or quasi-HSR) technology.

So is DJJ1 somehow related to X2000? DJJ1 is a loco-hauled train while X2000 looks like an EMU which makes it somewhat impossible/unlikely.

Also, isn't China Star developed on the basis of DJJ1?
Nope that video is the DJJ1, the x2000 looks completely different (see pic below). What you see first is the rear car, the loco was pushing from behind. The DJJ1 is not related to the X2000, which is a loco-hauled tilting train. X2000's success on Guangzhou-Shenzhen line persuaded MOR to start the development of a domestic high speed train. The x2000 simply can't compete with those CRH trains later and was sold back to Sweden last year. DJJ2 China Star is a follow up project of DJJ1 and there could be some technology inherited, but I don't think it's designed based on DJJ1.

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