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Old March 25th, 2013, 06:02 PM   #121
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Ulica Jasna - Jasna street

Walking from Zlota (Golden) street to Dabrowski square.

Bank of the manufacturers

http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/zlota/old/0050.jpg

Tenement of Stanislaw and Izydora Seydenbeuthl

http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/jasna/old/0049.jpg

The bank under eagles

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Walking across the Warsaw Philharmonic

http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/j...d/jasna_01.jpg


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US consulate

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Polish post bank (seen from Swietokrzyska street)

http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/jasna/old/208_1.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/23/23094.jpg

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Old March 26th, 2013, 09:31 PM   #123
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Filharmonia Narodowa - Warsaw Philharmonic hall

The Warsaw Philharmonic - The National Orchestra and Choir of Poland, which celebrated its centenary in 2001, is one of the oldest musical institutions in Europe. It was created thanks to the initiative of a group of Polish aristocrats and financiers: Natalia, Stefan and Stanisław Lubomirski, Maurycy and Tomasz Zamoyski, Władysław Tyszkiewicz, Leopold Julian Kronenberg (son of the founder of the Bank of Commerce) and, from the musical world: Ludwik Grossman, Emil Młynarski, Aleksander Rajchman, Marian Sokołowski, and others.

The architect Karol Kozłowski designed the building in the Viennese Secession style, modelling it on the Paris Opera. The first concert was held on 5 November 1901
and presented the music of Polish composers. Emil Młynarski, the co-founder, musical director and principal conductor of Warsaw Philharmonic, conducted the orchestra; the soloists were Wiktor Grąbczewski (bass) and Ignacy Jan Paderewski, the world famous pianist, composer and future statesman. From 1901 to 1939, the Warsaw Philharmonic was Poland's foremost cultural center, soon becoming one of the leading musical establishments in Europe.

The Second World War interrupted the Philharmonic's activity: the building was destroyed and about half of the musicians perished. It reopened for the 1947-1948 season. The building was reconstructed in a totally new style and completed in 1955.


http://www.studiop2.pl/starawarszawa...armonia_03.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/14/14808.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/9/9313.jpg


http://www.studiop2.pl/starawarszawa...armonia_06.jpg


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Statues of Mozart and Bethoven, and Chopin and Moniuszko


http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/j...jasna_5_10.jpg
http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/j...jasna_5_09.jpg

Interiors

http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/86/86160.jpg


http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/jasna/old/hcw_87.jpg


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http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/j...jasna_5_04.jpg


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Sienna street

http://www.studiop2.pl/starawarszawa...armonia_09.jpg

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Old March 27th, 2013, 01:37 AM   #124
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The more you show, the more double face palm is not enough to express loss.
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Old March 27th, 2013, 05:22 PM   #125
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The more you show, the more double face palm is not enough to express loss.
The loss is one thing, what is worse is the rebuilding of rest of Warsaw (minus Old town, Royal Castle, Royal way and the palaces that were rebuilt).

Budapest was also heavily damaged during the siege of the city.

Quote from Wikipedia about the siege:
Budapest lay in ruins, with more than 80 percent of its buildings destroyed or damaged, with historical buildings like the Hungarian Parliament Building and the Castle among them. All five bridges spanning the Danube were destroyed.

As I like to say: Warsaw wasn´t murdered in 1945, it was the communist, socrealist and commie building projects that after the war effectively and conclusively put an end to this once Grand city.
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The loss is one thing, what is worse is the rebuilding of rest of Warsaw (minus Old town, Royal Castle, Royal way and the palaces that were rebuilt).

Budapest was also heavily damaged during the siege of the city.

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Budapest lay in ruins, with more than 80 percent of its buildings destroyed or damaged, with historical buildings like the Hungarian Parliament Building and the Castle among them. All five bridges spanning the Danube were destroyed.

As I like to say: Warsaw wasn´t murdered in 1945, it was the communist, socrealist and commie building projects that after the war effectively and conclusively put an end to this once Grand city.
I'm not a big fan of commie government but I won't agree. Comparison to Budapest is wrong, whereas you say 80 percent of buildings were destroyed OR damaged in Budapest, there were 80 percent of buildings deliberately razed to the ground in Warsaw. Also Hungary weren't touched by the war the way Poland was, as the war came into Hungarian territory only in the second half of 1944. While Poland was completely destroyed with totally dead economy, Hungary were merely touched (by comparison). So while Hungarians could, to greater extent, focus on rebuilding their capital, Poland had tens of cities and hundreds of towns to rebuild and had to assure homes for millions of people. It's obvious it had to be done with cutting on costs, hence the prevalence of commie-blocky type of architecture, which was cheap end effective. Keeping in mind these conditions we can be happy we have that MUCH of historical heritage recovered, and there was really great effort put into the rebuilding. Perhaps it could have been done better, but it could have been much, much worse. Such a scale of reconstruction was rarity in Soviet sphere of influence, and it was not only Warsaw, it was Gdańsk, it was Wrocław. Lots of cities in west had less luck (Western Germany, Le Havre, Rotterdam), some of them didn't even need war to lose their character in '50-'60 car city craze.
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Ulica Kredytowa - Kredytowa street


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the owner of that tall building in the background wanted to restore it as it was and increase the height to the original but the former heritage conservator (Ewa Nekanda-Trepka) said that's too tall. Too tall for the centre of Poland's capital with 2 subway stations, a tram line and buses within a short walk, incredible!!! Is that sound planning or urban design, how do these people get their jobs. I'm sure her intention was good but her narrow view has yielded many poor results. The owner and his son's are still lobbying to restore it after so many years. Sometimes you can't restore Warsaw's beauty no matter how hard you try. Sad the mentality of some Poles:

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Ulica Traugutta - Traugutt street

The street was laid out after the January Uprising, around 1866, when the government took repressive actions against the missionaries from the Church of St. Cross - Swietego Krzyza, by demolishing the buildings owned by them located right next to the church, and in their place, paved a street, which on Jan. 1, 1869, was given the name Fyodor Berg.


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The street was renamed to Romuald Traugutta street (1863 January Uprising leader) on August 11, 1916. During the Warsaw Uprising in 1944 most of the buildings were destroyed and rebuilt only partially after the war.


http://www.warszawa1939.pl/zdjecia/m.../old/307_a.jpg


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The Bank of commerce building that survived the war.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tta_7-9_02.jpg


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she is but her succesor is a chip off the old battle axe apparently, we shall see.
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the owner of that tall building in the background wanted to restore it as it was and increase the height to the original but the former heritage conservator (Ewa Nekanda-Trepka) said that's too tall. Too tall for the centre of Poland's capital with 2 subway stations, a tram line and buses within a short walk, incredible!!! Is that sound planning or urban design, how do these people get their jobs. I'm sure her intention was good but her narrow view has yielded many poor results. The owner and his son's are still lobbying to restore it after so many years. Sometimes you can't restore Warsaw's beauty no matter how hard you try. Sad the mentality of some Poles:

What does it look like now? Sorry - I know the intention of this thread but am curious.
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What does it look like now? Sorry - I know the intention of this thread but am curious.
After the war in 1946-1947 the communist rule decided to lower the undestroyed building, strip it of all "bourgeois" facade details and change the number of windows on each floor.

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bloody commie scum, to reduce the square footage of an undestroyed building in a country where millions were nearly homeless, families crammed into rooms, people in Warsaw living in urban caves??!!!...now we know why the former soviet block is still struggling to recover from decades of enforced stupidity....thank you our dear Allies for handing us over to these morons....sorry for OT Oslo2022.
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After the war in 1946-1947 the communist rule decided to lower the undestroyed building, strip it of all "bourgeois" facade details and change the number of windows on each floor.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...emo5576%29.jpg
I wish there was a bigger movement to restore buildings like this. It would be a big "**** you" to the communists. That conservator sounds like commie scum if you ask me.
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Ulica Tadeusza Czackiego - Tadeusz Czacki street


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Fantastic thread, thank you!

I suppose, this album allows us to admire how beautiful Warsaw was and at the same time to set a high benchmark for future development.
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After the war in 1946-1947 the communist rule decided to lower the undestroyed building, strip it of all "bourgeois" facade details and change the number of windows on each floor.
Communists had nothing to do with it. The reason for 'lowering' the building was of conservationist nature. To the right of 8-storey building there was (and still is) the masterpiece of neorenaissance, Szlenkier's Palace.




During reconstruction it was decided that the Szlenkier's Palace should dominate the square not only artistically, but also with its height - at least it shouldn't be two times smaller than its neighbour. That's why the crippled 8-storey building was lowered and its facade remodelled. I find the effect highly unsatisfactory and I admit that I prefer the pre-war version.

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bloody commie scum, to reduce the square footage of an undestroyed building in a country where millions were nearly homeless, families crammed into rooms, people in Warsaw living in urban caves??!!!...now we know why the former soviet block is still struggling to recover from decades of enforced stupidity....thank you our dear Allies for handing us over to these morons....sorry for OT Oslo2022.
Actually, the Goldstand Building was bombed and heavily damaged. Before highly controversial "rebuilding" it wasn't fit for accomodation anyway. The problem is that Oslo2022 perceive as "untouched" all buildings in Warsaw that wasn't reduced into smouldering rubble

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I wish there was a bigger movement to restore buildings like this. It would be a big "**** you" to the communists. That conservator sounds like commie scum if you ask me.
I doubt she is a commie. She is simply the modernist doctrinarian, indeed harmful to Warsaw pre-war rent-houses, which were stripped from their beauty.

Still, I'd be grateful if any of you, who had criticise ENT, presented idea, how to rebuild this erstwhile high Goldstand Building without slaying relatively good proportions of the Dabrowski Square (Goldstand Building 1st from the left, Szlenkier's Palace 2nd from the left):


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Communists had nothing to do with it. The reason for 'lowering' the building was of conservationist nature. To the right of 8-storey building there was (and still is) the masterpiece of neorenaissance, Szlenkier's Palace.

During reconstruction it was decided that the Szlenkier's Palace should dominate the square not only artistically, but also with its height - at least it shouldn't be two times smaller than its neighbour. That's why the crippled 8-storey building was lowered and its facade remodelled. I find the effect highly unsatisfactory and I admit that I prefer the pre-war version.

Actually, the Goldstand Building was bombed and heavily damaged. Before highly controversial "rebuilding" it wasn't fit for accomodation anyway. The problem is that Oslo2022 perceive as "untouched" all buildings in Warsaw that wasn't reduced into smouldering rubble

I doubt she is a commie. She is simply the modernist doctrinarian, indeed harmful to Warsaw pre-war rent-houses, which were stripped from their beauty.

Still, I'd be grateful if any of you, who had criticise ENT, presented idea, how to rebuild this erstwhile high Goldstand Building without slaying relatively good proportions of the Dabrowski Square (Goldstand Building 1st from the left, Szlenkier's Palace 2nd from the left):
Hm, then the information at Warszawa1939.pl must be wrong:
"Przebudowa: w latach 1946-47 według projektu Smogorzewskiego i Karpińskiego kamienica została obniżona, zmieniono jej układ okien a cała dekoracja elewacji została usunięta."
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