Liverpool John Lennon Airport (vi)

[Gareth]

New thread. To lighten the mood, let's compile a list of desintations the airport currently serves pr is soon too.

Aberdeen
Alghero
Alicante
Amsterdam
Ancona
Antwerp
Arrecife
Barcelona
Basel/Mulhouse
Belfast
Belfast City
Bergerac
Berlin-Schönefeld
Brussels
Carcassonne
Cologne/Bonn
Corfu
Cork
Dalaman
Derry
Dublin
Faro
Galway
Gdansk
Geneva
Gerona
Granada
Grenoble
Ibiza
Inverness
Isle of Man
Jersey
Katowice
Kaunas
Kerry
Krakow
Las Palmas
Limoges
London-City
Luxembourg
Madrid
Mahon
Malaga
Malta (May 2007)
Milan-Bergamo
Monastir
Murcia
New York-JFK (May 2007)
Nice
Nimes
Oslo-Torp
Palma de Mallorca
Paris-Charles de Gaulle
Pisa
Porto
Poznan
Prague (November 2006)
Reina Sofia
Reus
Riga
Rome-Ciampino
Rotterdam
Salzburg
Santander
Santiago de Compostela
Seville
Shannon
Southampton
Tampere
Tenerife-South
Toronto (May 2007)
Venice-Treviso
Warsaw
Wroclaw


Not bad eh? We'd have happily took that only a few years back. I wonder what that ;ist wil look like in a few years tome?

[westisbest]

I think our next Long Haul operations to come to JLA are obviously Ornlando, but also maybe Barbados, The fly cruises have been a success so maybe they will make it weekly

[westisbest]

Isn't Prague not going ahead with their route

[Liverpool8]

Prague has been pulled by flyglobespan

Antwerp and Brussels - change at London City.

Ryanair has said in the past that it plans to reinstate Brussels (Well, Charleoi - you know, in FRANCE).

Can imagine Prague will be operated in the not too distant future.

Antwerp, yeah - one day.

I can remember flying to Dublin in 1998. The only other scheduled flights were to Belfast and the Isle of Man!

[Liverpool8]

Thinking back - there were only two departure gates! (or so it seemed) and a tiny departure lounge with a great big sign advertising the Trafford Centre.

[Louis1986]

are cars still banned from stopping outside the doors?

[Liverpool8]

Think so - cars are diverted into the short stay car park (where you can stay for free up to 10 minutes). Time enough to drop someone off.

[bluesnapper]

Originally Posted by Gareth

New thread. To lighten the mood, let's compile a list of desintations the airport currently serves pr is soon too.

Aberdeen
Alghero
Alicante
Amsterdam
Ancona
Antwerp
Arrecife
Barcelona
Basel/Mulhouse
Belfast
Belfast City
Bergerac
Berlin-Schönefeld
Brussels
Carcassonne
Cologne/Bonn
Corfu
Cork
Dalaman
Derry
Dublin
Faro
Galway
Gdansk
Geneva
Gerona
Granada
Grenoble
Ibiza
Inverness
Isle of Man
Jersey
Katowice
Kaunas
Kerry
Krakow
Las Palmas
Limoges
London-City
Luxembourg
Madrid
Mahon
Malaga
Malta (May 2007)
Milan-Bergamo
Monastir
Murcia
New York-JFK (May 2007)
Nice
Nimes
Oslo-Torp
Palma de Mallorca
Paris-Charles de Gaulle
Pisa
Porto
Poznan
Prague (November 2006)
Reina Sofia
Reus
Riga
Rome-Ciampino
Rotterdam
Salzburg
Santander
Santiago de Compostela
Seville
Shannon
Southampton
Tampere
Tenerife-South
Toronto (May 2007)
Venice-Treviso
Warsaw
Wroclaw


Not bad eh? We'd have happily took that only a few years back. I wonder what that ;ist wil look like in a few years tome?

Not one to pass up an opportunity, so here goes.

The routes above compete directly with Manc on 41 occassions and we, LPL, carry more pax on 28 of them.

[westisbest]

The website has uploaded the Summer 07 destinations, and it is amazing how many destiantions that are flown by the likes of TUI, First choice, Direct holidays etc are also sceduled with RYR and EZY, one more thing, do First Choice use their own planes from JLA, or the likes of Futura etc

[bluesnapper]

Gone without being noticed on this forum is Wizz Airs increasing presence at Liverpool.

Wizz Air is to increase flights through Liverpool next summer with frequency increases to Warsaw (daily except Saturday from summer 2007 this summer was five flights per week), Katowice (5 flight per week from summer 2007, this summer was four per week) and Gdansk (5 flights per week from summer 2007, this summer was four flights per week).

[scouseyuppie01]

I dont know if this has already been mentioned, but there are rumours that the Airport is cancelling or moving flights so it is closed on a sunday evening particularily for the new apron/runway extension works, anyone confirm this?

[bluesnapper]

Originally Posted by scouseyuppie01

I dont know if this has already been mentioned, but there are rumours that the Airport is cancelling or moving flights so it is closed on a sunday evening particularily for the new apron/runway extension works, anyone confirm this?

The airport does not cancel or divert flights, airlines do.

What you may have heard is that the airport closes daily at midnight and does not open again until 6am from October 2006 to the end of March 2007.

This closure is to enable a complete reconstruction of the runway which is a very time critical operation. They take out 100metres every night and replace again ready for the daily traffic.

All airlines knew about this six months ago and have timetabled this into their operations. As we know airlines suffer delays and those aircraft that are delayed and are timed to arrive at LPL later than the closure shut-off are diverted away.

Ryanair have put a ninth aircraft into LPL to try and mitigate delays.

[jets9]

I was going to put this as a seperate thread, but anyway here goes.

I have a great respect for and interest in the Port of Liverpool. After all it's at the heart of what the city(and my own family) has been all about....but that's the past and what's important for the future is creating an economy which is going to provide for this generation and the kids growing up now.

This phsycological fixation with the port, you know, this dock and that dock is damaging.........the glory days are over, all that second city of the empire stuff is finished.........'GET OVER IT!'

The reality is that the port is going to tootle along in the second division for the forseeable future, nothing is going to change that fact, world trade patterns aren't going to change that and no one is going to turn the port into a new UK 'Rotterdam'

Which brings me to JLA......here is the chance for Liverpool/Merseyside to march back into the big time, to re-connect with the 21C, and the growth pattern points that way. JLA is proving to be a 'lucky' airport, linked into the so called Locost revolution which has already catapulted Stansted from nowhere 15 years ago to overtake Manchester Ringway as the UK's third largest. Ryanair now base eight boeing 737-800's at JLA. That's an inward investment of approx 300 million, just as significant as a 300 million manufacturing plant. When was the last time anyone could justify spending 300 mill in the port?

JLA's potential is exciting and awesome. Far greater, economically and environmentally than some inland airports that we could mention. This is where the trade patterns for the new century now point and that the docks do not point to.

This site is about helping to dig Liverpool out of the deep hole that it dropped into and no amount of reminiscing about the glory days of the port is going to do that. To coin a phrase..............'GET OVER IT!'

[Veinticinco]

I think people are over it...

I read the forum regularly and I haven't noticed people here going on about the 'glory days' of being the second city and port of the empire. Maybe the heritage freaks are living in the past, always looking back, never forward, but the forumers? I don't think so, maybe one person qualifies but even he seems to only be concerned with preservation not clinging on to the superport Liverpool once was.

Almost every member who posts on the Liverpool forum seems to be looking to the future, there's sometimes mention of knocking down the Liver building, and they aren't joking. I'd start a civil war if somebody tried to really knock it down but saying you wish it would blow up is symbolic of wanting to move forward and not being held back by the past, especially when the past was so forward thinking, it's a sad irony.

Get over it though? Already am, yeah it's shit to think we were once only second to London but thats something you think about for 10 minutes, then move on..

[Liverpool8]

JLA has just reopened following a light aeroplane crash:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...de/6082204.stm

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by jets9

I was going to put this as a seperate thread, but anyway here goes.

I have a great respect for and interest in the Port of Liverpool. After all it's at the heart of what the city(and my own family) has been all about....but that's the past and what's important for the future is creating an economy which is going to provide for this generation and the kids growing up now.

This phsycological fixation with the port, you know, this dock and that dock is damaging.........the glory days are over, all that second city of the empire stuff is finished.........'GET OVER IT!'

The reality is that the port is going to tootle along in the second division for the forseeable future, nothing is going to change that fact, world trade patterns aren't going to change that and no one is going to turn the port into a new UK 'Rotterdam'

Liverpool is dealing with more tonnage than at any time in its history. Then take all the Mersey ports: Birkenhead, Garston, Ellesmere Port, Ince, Runcorn then the picture is a very busy River Mersey. Also ship repairing too.

And the Post-Panamax container terminal has not even been built yet.

You play to your strengths. The south end and central docks are history and heritage and can form a city on the water for us to live in. Anyone wanting the remove water spaces and built high rise tat needs their heads testing. High rise can go elsewhere.

The north end docks are still commercially operational.

Which brings me to JLA......here is the chance for Liverpool/Merseyside to march back into the big time, to re-connect with the 21C, and the growth pattern points that way. JLA is proving to be a 'lucky' airport, linked into the so called Locost revolution which has already catapulted Stansted from nowhere 15 years ago to overtake Manchester Ringway as the UK's third largest. Ryanair now base eight boeing 737-800's at JLA. That's an inward investment of approx 300 million, just as significant as a 300 million manufacturing plant. When was the last time anyone could justify spending 300 mill in the port?

JLA's potential is exciting and awesome. Far greater, economically and environmentally than some inland airports that we could mention. This is where the trade patterns for the new century now point and that the docks do not point to.

This site is about helping to dig Liverpool out of the deep hole that it dropped into and no amount of reminiscing about the glory days of the port is going to do that. To coin a phrase..............'GET OVER IT!'

You are right the potential of LJL awesome - a combined air/sea and passenger airport with fantastic adjacent transport connections just needing to be run in. However it needs a proper long term staged plan to catapult it to Manchester levels. That is pretty obvious.

LJL will always be a small player unless certain essential elements are installed as a priority - the bedrock for the expansion. The tempters, the attractions, the features, that will attract people and freight.

1. Combined air/rail terminals (passenger and cargo, with cargo meshing seamlessly into the sea port)

2. 24/7 runways, not overflying people.

LJL has the greatest potential for expansion of any airport in the country - and with stress-free ease. Without 1 and 2 above it will never hope to approach MANs capacity and will be near the bottom of the regional airport league, as it is now.

Rapid percentage rise is all nice and encouraging. But they went from nearly nothing to still near nothing in the whole scale of matters re: all other major airports. They will top out at a low figure the way they are going. Look at the bottom line figures, not percentages.

Many think the LJL will rival MAN at the current growth and plans. It will not, at the way it is being developed. I have numbered the reasons that would make it a big player above, which was not having a rail station 2 miles away.

BTW, I worked in aviation, working at Heathrow, and the in-law is in the BAA and biggish job too. He fully agrees with me. As he says, it is a known thing in aviation circles that Liverpool has the greatest potential of any airport in the country for expansion, and could rival or surpass MAN, but needs the right highly convenient transport access and meshed-in terminal to even hope of challenging - Gatwick set the standard and Heathrow followed with direct rail/air terminals.

If it is seamlessly easy to get to and operates 24/7 they will turn up. Without that LJL stays a small player relying on two cheap carriers.

You are right we must look to the future. Firstly know your stengths and play to them:

A) The history heritage of the old docks - tourism and creating an attractive city for people to live in and visit. Raises the image of the city world-wide.

B) The expansion of the container services - the essential sea port.

C) The expansion of LJL airport - as B) above.


The above are key to attracting business and people to the city, the foundation for regeneration and sustaining. The rest will then fall into place.

[T0M]

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by T0M

Tom, you are still at it. tsk, tsk.

[Scarecrow]

WTF??? He's agreeing with what you have to say for fucks sake!!

[City on The Water]

Originally Posted by Bunnyman

WTF??? He's agreeing with what you have to say for fucks sake!!

Bunny, you will have to get yourself sorted out lad. No excuse for it as Everton won yesterday and at the weekend too.