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Old June 14th, 2013, 03:10 PM   #5461
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Chriss, the motorway from Craiova to Pitesti would help Romanian traffic or better yet heavy traffic to Constanta Port.. I would not see that as much help to International heavy traffic coming from Bulgaria..
I was talking about Beograd - București, which is an east-west route that briefly passes through Bulgaria.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 03:18 PM   #5462
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I have heard today a new higher prognosis about the total amount of vehicles to past the first year - they increased it from 100 000 to 415 000.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 03:27 PM   #5463
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100.000 cars per year means 278 vehicles per day. It is a little pessimistic and catastrophic scenario. 415.0000 means 1.138 vehicles per day. That is better. Six times better.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 03:49 PM   #5464
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Additionally, a full motorway route doesn't have the same advantage to a trucker like it does for a car driver. Trucks are limited at 80 - 90 km/h, so unless the route is curvy and goes through a lot of towns, the average speed on a non-motorway or motorway doesn't vary a whole lot for trucks.

Plus, you have to see this bridge in context of near-future developments, not the current network, which is indeed lacking, especially in Romania. This new bridge will be a huge cataclysm for future developments. In addition, this bridge is also useful for a link between Beograd and București, especially if the planned Craiova - București Expressway and the Paraćin - Zaječar Expressway will be constructed by 2020-2025.
Yes, but therefore I see this bridge more as of having regional importance, connecting Romania, Bulgaria, but mainly Romania and Serbia, Romania and Greece.

I most certainly don't see it as helping the connection of Greece and Germany.

The completion of A1 and A3 in Romania and A2 in Bulgaria should get priority anyway. And after they are finished, the bridge won't be so important anymore.

I would guess that for the freight traffic the bridge might be important as long as Serbia is outside the EU, or outside a free trade agreement with the EU, after that the bridge won't have more than regional importance. I expect this (Serbia in the EU or some sort of free trade agreement) long before a motorway runs all the way from Szeged through Craiova and Vidin/Calafat down to Sofia.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #5465
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100.000 cars per year means 278 vehicles per day. It is a little pessimistic and catastrophic scenario. 415.0000 means 1.138 vehicles per day. That is better. Six times better.
Considering that Giurgiu - Ruse bridge has more than 7-8 000 vehicles on not busy days, I am 100% percent their prognosis is extremely pesimistic.

Maybe by "for the first year" they meant only the remaining 2013
Then 100 000 vehicles for 6 months is 556 cars per day.
415 000 vehicles for 6 months is 2306 cars per day.

Here's another prognosis from a project manager published in a magazine:

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Old June 14th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #5466
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The alternative that the bridge provides is of national importance. Eg. Yugo wars in 90s.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 05:55 PM   #5467
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Yes, but therefore I see this bridge more as of having regional importance, connecting Romania, Bulgaria, but mainly Romania and Serbia, Romania and Greece.

I most certainly don't see it as helping the connection of Greece and Germany.

The completion of A1 and A3 in Romania and A2 in Bulgaria should get priority anyway. And after they are finished, the bridge won't be so important anymore.

I would guess that for the freight traffic the bridge might be important as long as Serbia is outside the EU, or outside a free trade agreement with the EU, after that the bridge won't have more than regional importance. I expect this (Serbia in the EU or some sort of free trade agreement) long before a motorway runs all the way from Szeged through Craiova and Vidin/Calafat down to Sofia.
Serbia wont join EU in the next 6-7 years at least. They have big issues with Kosovo and not only. On the other hand Romania and Bulgaria will get into Schengen in 1-2 years hopefully. Of course the main target of the bridge is to attract freight traffic from Turkey and Greece to central europe. Maybe you don't know how much time (and often money..) does spend a truck in custom even within EU ( non Schengen).After joining EU most of the trucks from south east Europe will chose this route, avoiding double checks and the money spent at the Serbian custom.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #5468
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The main feeling is that RO and BG joined the EU too early, so I think that will be to Serbia's disadvantage for joining the EU quickly. Many in western Europe also oppose RO and BG's entry into the Schengen Area, although that is mostly for populistic reasons, in practice border checks are already fairly mild so being in Schengen doesn't make much of a difference anyway. Those who want to migrate from BG and RO to work elsewhere already left.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #5469
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The main feeling is that RO and BG joined the EU too early
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Many in western Europe also oppose RO and BG's entry into the Schengen Area
also true, but at the end we shall join Schengen. ,
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so being in Schengen doesn't make much of a difference anyway
I think that from trucks could be important to avoid custom
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Old June 14th, 2013, 06:22 PM   #5470
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I think that from trucks could be important to avoid custom
True, but generally western politicians only think in terms of "criminals from Romania and Bulgaria" who can cross borders easier.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #5471
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Are you guys talking about traffic prognosis absolutely certain they are for road vehicles? those figures could be for rail cars. they sound a bit more reasonable then.
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Here's another prognosis from a project manager published in a magazine:
What is the meaning of V, S, N in the picture above?
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Old June 15th, 2013, 12:03 PM   #5473
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What is the meaning of V, S, N in the picture above?
High, average and low prognosis or traffic quantity.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 02:28 PM   #5474
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Currently, 3 lots of Struma motorway are U/C ( one of them is to be put in operation very soon ), starting from Greece border to Sofia. Sofia - Botevgrad is a motorway. Botevgrad - Mezdra is in excellent condition, and from Mezdra, up to Vidin, with the Mezdra and Vraca bypasses U/C, the road will not go through any village, so this means for trucks especially, almost constant speed of 80-90 km/h.
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Old June 15th, 2013, 03:49 PM   #5475
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Anyway. The bridge at night:
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Old June 15th, 2013, 04:07 PM   #5476
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Hi, I have one question about Sofia Ring Road: is that road a motorway? or it is a conventional road. I see some photos in Wikipedia and seems like an expressway.

If the ring is not finished, how long before all the ring is finished?
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Hi, I have one question about Sofia Ring Road: is that road a motorway? or it is a conventional road. I see some photos in Wikipedia and seems like an expressway.

If the ring is not finished, how long before all the ring is finished?
No, it is not finished. It would be a motorway with speed limit of 140kmh when finished. Only the southern part would be an urban motorway with a speed limit of 80kmh.
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More than 1 000 vehicles used the bridge on the first day.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 12:14 AM   #5479
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We shall see a lot of them in near future. As can be seen, roads in Bulgaria from Sofia to Vidin are equal, maybe even better than the road Niš-Dimitrovgrad. From Sofia to Botevgrad there is motorway and from Mezdra to Vraca 2x2 expressway.
I think you're wrong on this matter.
Nis-Dimitrovgrad is currently a 1+1 highway in good condition with many bypasses and multi level crossroads, and no road between Sofija/Botevgrad and Vidin is equal to that road.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 12:22 AM   #5480
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Frankly speaking: Serbia had to concentrate on building motorway from Niš to Dimitrovgrad instead of wasting resources with (excuse me, but this is hard truth) Azer and Chinese credited motorway to Bar. I mention it here because I'm convinced that editors of Serbian thread shouldn't allow to post it there.
You are free and welcomed to post anythnig that comes to your mind on Serbian and any other thread, regarding roads and motorways.
You're right, motorway to Bulgaria should be a priority, but motorway to Montenegro will only reach Cacak, and that is an urgent need too.
So, as for that, we are waiting you in Serbian thread.
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