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Old June 12th, 2013, 11:25 PM   #1461
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I only have a limited experience, but my gut feeling is that on average Italy is the cheapest and Germany the most expensive.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #1462
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I think uk costs more then everything, also because of the currency.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 11:51 PM   #1463
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I think uk costs more then everything, also because of the currency.
People often say that, but I'm not sure it's true if you buy tickets long time in advance. For example, the best price for London-Glasgow (4 h 48 min) for 26th July is 54 pounds (ca 64 euros). The distance is about the 650 km, in Germany roughly the same distance would be for a route Munich-Hanover (the difference in travel times only 2 min!!!). The cheapest price for the same date is 80 euros.

Of course the above is not a scientifically valid study of prices, but still demonstrates that perhaps the conventional wisdom is not quite right.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #1464
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Little example: Thalys train, from paris nord to Bruxelles Central: 129€ (standard fare) for 3:19 of travel.
Eh ? Thalys trains do not serve Brussels Central (only Midi) and the travel time
is around one hour and twenty-five minutes...
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Old June 13th, 2013, 05:31 AM   #1465
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Eh ? Thalys trains do not serve Brussels Central (only Midi) and the travel time
is around one hour and twenty-five minutes...
Yes..... and the distance between Brussels and Paris (about 300~ 315km, or slightly more ) in not similar to the distance between Milan- Central and Rome Termini.The latter is 560 km long.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 06:01 AM   #1466
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Scuse me sir ...I could not agree, .... not to mention the 407 DEUTCHE BAHN Velaro were going to enter service in 2009 and perhaps ..... just maybe come to the end of 2013!!!!
This matter will be of no use in solving the problems encountered during the official opening of the Mediopadana AV Station in Reggio Emilia, and of the Sottopassante AV in Bologna.

How can the problems encountered in the above mentioned stations, just officilly opened in Italy, be solved, or justified, by the alledged delays Siemens has in delivering in time the quadritension, multisystem, 16 carriages ICE e320, to be used in the Channel tunnel?

Besides the ICE e320 is a multisystem and very complex HS train, and the problems encounterd in Italy, which I have previously discussed in this thread, were found in newly built italian stations.

How can a late deliverig of the Siemens e320 justify the poor workmanship, just noted at the opening of Italian stations?

Besides, the Bologna High speed undergound station has been officially opened, unfinished and faulty, a few days ago and it should have been opened 4 years ago, and, inpsite of 4 year delays this station it is not yet.... finished.

Furthermore:
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Works on the Florence High Speed underpass have been halted.
The Magistrates have put under sequestration the works site, for alledged mafia infiltration.
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The newly built Bologna- Florence HSL is also under investigation. It seems that the works carried out in the tunnels are of substandard quality, and not sufficiently fireproof.
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The works at Napoli-Afragola High Speed station have also been halted..

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Old June 13th, 2013, 09:05 AM   #1467
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Eh ? Thalys trains do not serve Brussels Central (only Midi) and the travel time
is around one hour and twenty-five minutes...
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Yes..... and the distance between Brussels and Paris (about 300~ 315km, or slightly more ) in not similar to the distance between Milan- Central and Rome Termini.The latter is 560 km long.
You're right! Damn, I don't know what I read.

EDIT: Ok, I looked for Amsterdam, here's the explanation.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 01:59 PM   #1468
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I have never said that your are protective of Italian High speed trains discrussed in this forum: I just said that you seem to feel the need to provide one version of Italian news for "foreigners", and another version for "Italians".

Fpr instance in this post of yours that you posted on an Italian Thread on the Italian sections, you are very critical of the filth in the streets in Milan.


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...ostcount=13725


You then continue with this bitchiness all over the said thread.
I am not critical of Milan and throughout Italy, I do not generalize as you do!
It seems to me that I speak well of Genoa and that 'in Italy! do not try to find excuses to be right!

Now stop discussion!

Ps Io non voto il nano e l'Economist ha perfettamente ragione! ciao
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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:16 PM   #1469
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Other pics of Bologna Centrale underground platforms

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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #1470
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Little example: Thalys train, from paris nord to Bruxelles Central: 129€ (standard fare) for 3:19 of travel.
sorry but paris -brussels takes 1h30min to go
Lille-Paris: 1h
Lille- Brussels: 30 min
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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:33 PM   #1471
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sorry but paris -brussels takes 1h30min to go
Lille-Paris: 1h
Lille- Brussels: 30 min
I know (now ). I read the Amsterdam timetable instead of Bruxelles (hence why I wrote central and not midi).
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Old June 13th, 2013, 02:59 PM   #1472
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It appears to me that the platforms of Bologna AV underground are too narrow for a brand-new project. Maybe the height of the station cavern is tricking my perception though.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 03:51 PM   #1473
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It appears to me that the platforms of Bologna AV underground are too narrow for a brand-new project. Maybe the height of the station cavern is tricking my perception though.
I would agree: It looks more like a metro stop than a main line station. But it seems that this station was subject to a number of physical constraints - and space might have been one of them? The HS-line coming down from Milan also swings so abruptly right immediately before the station that a high-speed pass through is not feasible.

If the French had created such a hash of HS/station/connection I would have hit the roof. But... unlike the French countryside, the Italians don't have the luxury of dozens of kilometers of empty land around their cities. Things tend to get... a bit squeezed.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 04:13 PM   #1474
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The problem is that Bologna is the major train hub of Italy. Maybe they should have used a longer curved tunnel on the NW approach, changing the angle of that tight curve you mentioned.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 05:37 PM   #1475
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Pics are a bit tricky from the platform levels, as you can't see the space within the two tracks that is hidden by colums and wall containing escalators and lifts

These two ones show you better how the spaces at platform level are



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Old June 13th, 2013, 09:32 PM   #1476
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Everything looks new and shiny, but the floor looks old and cracked at places.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 01:58 AM   #1477
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Is italy building high speed line from milan to venecia? if yes when it is expected to open?
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Old June 14th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #1478
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Is italy building high speed line from milan to venecia? if yes when it is expected to open?
Yes, we are. Actually the opened sections are from Milano to Treviglio (33km, with italian standard 3kV DC) and from Padova to Venezia (Mestre) (27km, with italian standard 3kV DC).

It is planned to be completed (from Milano to Verona and from Verona to Venezia) in... ??. Probably 2025, but we don't know yet, because some part of the line still is under project (like the Verona - Vicenza - Padova).
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Old June 14th, 2013, 03:31 PM   #1479
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People often say that, but I'm not sure it's true if you buy tickets long time in advance. For example, the best price for London-Glasgow (4 h 48 min) for 26th July is 54 pounds (ca 64 euros). The distance is about the 650 km, in Germany roughly the same distance would be for a route Munich-Hanover (the difference in travel times only 2 min!!!). The cheapest price for the same date is 80 euros.

Of course the above is not a scientifically valid study of prices, but still demonstrates that perhaps the conventional wisdom is not quite right.
So how far in advance you need to book your tickets in Germany to get the best deal? Here its 7 weeks.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 09:22 PM   #1480
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So how far in advance you need to book your tickets in Germany to get the best deal? Here its 7 weeks.
Tickets in Germany open for sale 92 days before departure.
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