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Old July 20th, 2013, 03:49 AM   #6201
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Traveler's tip:
Shanghai is always very crowded near the entrance, far side of this photo.

For more room and shorter food lines, go to the far side of the station up on the mezzanine.
proof that people are lazy and don't want to walk far. Perhaps a reason to have entrances on both sizes to distribute the load.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 06:06 AM   #6202
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Taxi drop off spot is in the middle near the rear side, that's why I end up walking and taking photo at the far end. And the platform gate is evenly placed so it shouldn't be that much difference. Maybe it's because subway is located at the other side. I believe an end to end conveyor belt will help.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 06:12 AM   #6203
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proof that people are lazy and don't want to walk far. Perhaps a reason to have entrances on both sizes to distribute the load.
It's actually a failure in design concept to persuade people to move in further to make room for other people to enter.
Simple trick like difference in air distribution and/or placing visual stimulants like water fountains can make a difference in making people move to a desired direction.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 03:47 PM   #6204
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Simple trick like difference in air distribution and/or placing visual stimulants like water fountains can make a difference in making people move to a desired direction.
Exactly, or placing screens with arrival/departure information at the far sides as well, so people won't be afraid that if they go sit at the far side, they'll miss their train (i've had this where my train at the last moment switched platforms, and if I hadn't been right at the center looking at the screens paying close attention, I would have missed my train).
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Old July 20th, 2013, 06:08 PM   #6205
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Finally a decent connection between Hangzhou (Zhejiang) and Zhengzhou (Henan). High-speed train D272 will depart from Hangzhou East at 7:07 am and arrive in Zhengzhou at 13:57. The quickest route between the two cities was over 13 hours (T112)
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Old July 21st, 2013, 03:04 AM   #6206
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It's actually a failure in design concept to persuade people to move in further to make room for other people to enter.
Simple trick like difference in air distribution and/or placing visual stimulants like water fountains can make a difference in making people move to a desired direction.
This

There's a lot of thought in urban deign that goes into controlling the flow of people. Clearly something went wrong here as half the station is deserted
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Old July 21st, 2013, 05:12 AM   #6207
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Clearly something went wrong here as half the station is deserted
It's the Chinese love of crowds, there's just no urgency to spread out and fill the available space
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Old July 21st, 2013, 07:12 AM   #6208
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The imbalance is not that bad if you were there. One picture cannot give the truth. The next hour when more trains depart from this side it'll be a different scene. I remember I was in the KFC at the "deserted" side and it was pretty crowded (McDonald's is at the other side).

Here're a couple of more pictures I took at the less crowded side,





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Old July 21st, 2013, 08:20 AM   #6209
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Finally a decent connection between Hangzhou (Zhejiang) and Zhengzhou (Henan). High-speed train D272 will depart from Hangzhou East at 7:07 am and arrive in Zhengzhou at 13:57. The quickest route between the two cities was over 13 hours (T112)
For some reason, via Xuzhou - meaning slow speed railway between Xuzhou and Zhengzhou, not via Wuhan which is high speed all along.
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Old July 21st, 2013, 05:48 PM   #6210
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For some reason, via Xuzhou - meaning slow speed railway between Xuzhou and Zhengzhou, not via Wuhan which is high speed all along.
Well, I guess the route via Xuzhou is the only reasonable connection. HZ - WH - ZZ is 1341 km and HZ - XZ - ZZ only 951 km. Plus, Xuzhou-Wuhan is a "low high-speed" route, you'll see a lot of D-trains there.
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Old July 22nd, 2013, 06:18 AM   #6211
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Urumqi line:


Workers on new 1,776-km rail link no strangers to tough conditions, reports Cui Jia in Urumqi.




Construction teams work at night to avoid the intense daytime heat that causes the water in the concrete mix to evaporate too rapidly.




China's first windproof railway tunnel, in the Shisanjianfang district of Hami, where the winds are fierce and gales occur on more than 250 days of the year.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 07:02 AM   #6212
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Those wind barriers are quite amazing, the horror stories of old trains being blasted by sand storms should not be repeated.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 10:13 PM   #6213
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Mighty interesting pics... China-Europe link in its infancy.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 12:57 AM   #6214
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12306.cn has reorganised its notices page and lost many previous to last week, but there were warnings of train cancellations on the Urumqi line due to excessive wind, about 2 weeks ago.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 03:03 AM   #6215
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Can anyone give me an advice on traveling on the Guangzhou South to Zhuhai Gongbei? Can I just turn up at the station and expect to get a ticket for the next couple of hours or so (on Sunday)? I did the same from Shenzhen North to Guangzhou a couple of days ago and I couldn't get a ticket for at least next three hours even for the deluxe class. Is the situation any lighter on GZ-Zhuhai or is it better to get a ticket a day in advance?
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Old July 24th, 2013, 08:02 AM   #6216
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Get a ticket a day in advance.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 09:58 AM   #6217
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OK thanks I will do. One thing that strikes me though is the level of stupidity of some of those 'experts' and 'analysts' cited by the likes of WSJ or The Economist. They kinda silenced on the investment in China's HSR system lately but the tirade was going full steam just like a year ago or so.
I mean all it takes is to just try using the transport system to get somewhere in China. Even from Shenzhen to Guangzhou if you like. Even such seemingly developed locations like Shenzhen (including the super cool SZ North station) are seemingly just about managing to cope with the challenges arising from growing demand and load on the transport network. That includes the long distance trains, city public transport and even roads. Everything. If after spending a week in a place and never having got a seat in a metro train or being unable to get a Deluxe class train ticket for the next half of a day is normal then, if anything, China needs to speed up investment in transport, not slow it. I mean what a completely idiotic and retarded position it is to even consider an idea that China is building too much transport. It strikes me that those reputable newspapers and magazines publish such nonsense on a regular basis as if it was a legitimate position.
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Old July 24th, 2013, 01:14 PM   #6218
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RIght, because that's a logical argument for anyone to make...
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Old July 24th, 2013, 01:29 PM   #6219
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OK thanks I will do. One thing that strikes me though is the level of stupidity of some of those 'experts' and 'analysts' cited by the likes of WSJ or The Economist. They kinda silenced on the investment in China's HSR system lately but the tirade was going full steam just like a year ago or so.
I mean all it takes is to just try using the transport system to get somewhere in China. Even from Shenzhen to Guangzhou if you like. Even such seemingly developed locations like Shenzhen (including the super cool SZ North station) are seemingly just about managing to cope with the challenges arising from growing demand and load on the transport network. That includes the long distance trains, city public transport and even roads. Everything. If after spending a week in a place and never having got a seat in a metro train or being unable to get a Deluxe class train ticket for the next half of a day is normal then, if anything, China needs to speed up investment in transport, not slow it. I mean what a completely idiotic and retarded position it is to even consider an idea that China is building too much transport. It strikes me that those reputable newspapers and magazines publish such nonsense on a regular basis as if it was a legitimate position.
By this logic, nearly everyone should be spending like the clappers.

But, there's a thing called money, and the world is in debt to itself, China included. If they could afford to continue spending as they were, don't you think they would?
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Old July 24th, 2013, 02:36 PM   #6220
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Here is my 五角 on this:

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OK thanks I will do. One thing that strikes me though is the level of stupidity of some of those 'experts' and 'analysts' cited by the likes of WSJ or The Economist. They kinda silenced on the investment in China's HSR system lately but the tirade was going full steam just like a year ago or so.
I do read The Economist. Their articles about China are positive. I might have missed few of them. Can you provide us links to those articles you mention?

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... after spending a week in a place and never having got a seat in a metro train or being unable to get a Deluxe class train ticket for the next half of a day...
Metro - understandable. Train - I live in this part of China for a longer time than one week and I never, say never, had any problems with buying first class tickets between Guangzhou and Shenzhen. The only time I have problems is when the ticket clerks accidentally issue the 2nd class ticket and doesn't feel like changing it (retyping passport number of the ticket must be annoying), so they make up stories of "full trains" for the next "half of day" or so. At that time I usually go to the 1st class, pay the difference, and sit on any empty seat. You should try it as well.
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