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Old July 16th, 2013, 09:01 AM   #61
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I honestly cannot tell the different between the chinese, korean and vietnamese traditional architectures.
There are some differences, for example I never see non-Japanese architecture use of a upward curving roof lip (I forgot the term) just above the main entrance is never used in Chinese architectures.




While I never see non-Chinese halls or gates structure use 雀替. The decorative triangular piece at intersection of columns and beams.




However, some style of Japanese architectures, particularly the older one are hard to tell the difference. (though Chinese seems to use stone more often)

Phoenix Hall (Japan)

Yu Garden (China)



Also Japanese stone gardens use fine stone for plowing meditations, while Chinese stone gardens like to collect large porous stone for gazing meditation.

RyoanJi Garden (Japan)


Lion Grove Garden (China)
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:21 AM   #62
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There are some differences, for example I never see non-Japanese architecture use of a upward curving roof lip (I forgot the term) just above the main entrance is never used in Chinese architectures.






That's Japanese indigenous invention during Heian period called Karahafu / 唐破風 which was evolved from Chinese "Xuanshan Gable/ 悬山山墙". That's why Karahafu / 唐破風 in Kanji literally means Tang (Chinese Tang Dynasty)'s Gable.




This 11th century Chinese Song Dynasty Longxing Temple's Moni Hall / 隆兴寺摩尼殿 Baosha (抱厦)'s Gable inherits a lot of archaic (preceded Tang Dynasty's) characters which those Japanese Karahafus might take cue from:

Longxing Temple Moni Hall / 隆兴寺摩尼殿
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:36 AM   #63
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That's Japanese indigenous invention during Heian period called Karahafu / 唐破風 which was evolved from Chinese "Xuanshan Gable/ 悬山山墙". That's why Karahafu / 唐破風 in Kanji literally means Tang (Chinese Tang Dynasty)'s Gable.




This is 11th century Chinese Song Dynasty Longxing Temple's Moni Hall / 隆兴寺摩尼殿 Baosha (抱厦)'s Gable which those Karahafus might take cue from:


Interesting, if it is evolved from 抱厦. Then, here is a actually a example of it right underneath picture of Tōdai-ji Kon-dō. Coincidence...




Though Chinese 抱厦 tend to be a balcony type of structure, while Japanese is always roof only.

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That's a gorgeous picture! I prefer European architecture to what I've seen here, but the buildings that have been posted on this thread are also nice and I'd like to see them all.
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If you are so European-centric, why you bother leaving this pious "like" comment at all !?

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Old July 16th, 2013, 03:39 PM   #66
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I fail to see the problem. I have preferences when it comes to architecture and I suppose everybody does, right? Well, apart from my preferences, I also enjoy seeing other type(s) of architecture.It doesn't bother me when people state what they most like to see, provided they don't do it in an offending manner.
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There are some differences, for example I never see non-Japanese architecture use of a upward curving roof lip (I forgot the term) just above the main entrance is never used in Chinese architectures.

While I never see non-Chinese halls or gates structure use 雀替. The decorative triangular piece at intersection of columns and beams.

However, some style of Japanese architectures, particularly the older one are hard to tell the difference. (though Chinese seems to use stone more often)


Also Japanese stone gardens use fine stone for plowing meditations, while Chinese stone gardens like to collect large porous stone for gazing meditation.


Do you realize that you were trying too hard to prove me wrong for nothing? Did you even read my post before you quoted me? This is what I said...

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I'd say Japanese traditional architectures is heavily influenced by China, but if you observe carefully, you can still see the difference between the two.
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I honestly cannot tell the different between the chinese, korean and vietnamese traditional architectures.
did I mention Japanese in this quote?
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Anyway, back on topic..

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Old July 23rd, 2013, 05:55 AM   #70
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Do you realize that you were trying too hard to prove me wrong for nothing? Did you even read my post before you quoted me? This is what I said...



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did I mention Japanese in this quote?
I'm not trying to prove you wrong, no need to be so defensive. Just to add a comment in Asian architecture in general. Yes I did see your comment.

On Korean, and Vietnamese architectures, I don't too much to comment. However, I sure there some differences to be noticeable. Just as French Gothic and English Gothic looks very similar, but you can still spot differences.

On Korean, and Vietnamese architectures, I don't too much to comment. However, I sure there some differences to be noticeable. Just as French Gothic and English Gothic looks very similar, but you can still spot differences. Also due to China being larger than other East Asian countries, it has more distinct regional styles. It seems only the capital city's style had an impact on the surrounding counties. (Nara for example was originally build as a Mini-Chang'an). This in a way is similar to how Russian architecture has been influenced by Constantinople.

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I'm not defensive and I'm not mad at you. I just wanted to point out that you had misread my statement.
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Are there any urban old towns in Japan?
Nikko? Nara? I'm not sure what you mean but these are old towns in major metropolitan areas.
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Could anyone show some photos from Japanese architecture interior? I really like how they connect wooden - stone architecture with natural environment - it could be a great example for nowadays architects
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Are there any larger urban areas consisting of traditional japanese architecture today?
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Are there any larger urban areas consisting of traditional japanese architecture today?
I've visited a fair few Japanese cities, and sadly you don't tend to get an "old town" district like you do in many European cities.

Saying that, in smaller towns/districts, probably ones where the wooden structures weren't the target of incendiary bombing during WWII, areas do survive. The Tokyo outer district of Kawagoe has such an town centre...



...although there are many others to see for those willing to make the effort.
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