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Old August 24th, 2013, 05:46 PM   #481
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The only stupid one here is you dumbass. There is big difference between Iraqi Arabs and other Arabs, your beansized brain can't simply understand that.

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Modern genetic studies indicate that Iraqi Arabs and Kurds are very closely related.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 07:32 PM   #482
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History lesson guys, The hurrians are not native to mesopotamia (land between the rivers) but the Zagros mountains and parts of Anatolia much like the Gutians.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #483
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I still believe the stolen land should be retaken from massoud whose an Iranian, I would volunteer.
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Old August 24th, 2013, 08:18 PM   #484
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Mesopotamia was in three parts
-south sumer
-central babylon
-north assyria
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Old August 24th, 2013, 08:25 PM   #485
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Well it's a fact, iranic groups who speaks northwestern languages can claim to be native of the medes and that includes some azeris(through genetics only), talysh, baloch and some more. But what's special with kurds is that we are a mix of the natives region such as gutians, lullabies, mannean, hurrian etc while also having a large iranic influence.

"The Hurrians-whose name survives now most prominently in the dialect and district of Hawraman/Awraman in Kurdistan- divided into many clans and subgroups, who set up city-states, kingdoms and empires known today after their respective clan names. These included the Gutis, Kurti, Khadi, Mards, Mushku, Manna, Hatti, Mitanni, Urartu, and the Kassitis1es, to name just a few. All these were Hurrians, and together form the Hurrian phase of Kurdish history.

By about 4.000 years ago, the first vanguard of the Indo-European-speaking peoples were trickling into Kurdistan in limited numbers and settling there. These formed the aristocracy of the Mitani, Kassite, and Hittite kingdoms, while the common peoples there remained solidly Hurrian. By about 3,000 years ago, the trickle had turned into a flood, and Hurrian Kurdistan was fast becoming Indo-European Kurdistan. Far from having been wiped out, the Hurrian legacy, despite its linguistic eclipse, remains the single most important element of the Kurdish culture until today. It forms the substructure for every aspects of Kurdish existence, from their native religion to their art, their social organization, women's status, and even the form of their militia warfare.

Medes, Scythians and Sagarthians are just the better-known clans of the Indo- European-speaking Aryans who settled in Kurdistan. By about 2,600 years ago, the Medes had already set up an empire that included all Kurdistan and vast territories far beyond. Medeans were followed by scores of other kingdoms and city-states--all dominated by Aryan aristocracies and a populace that was becoming Indo-European, Kurdish speakers if not so already.

By the advent of the classical era in 300 BC. Kurds were already experiencing massive population movements that resulted in settlement and domination of many neighboring regions. Important Kurdish polities of this time were all by-products of these movements. The Zelan Kurdish clan of Commagene (Adyaman area), for example, spread to establish in addition to the Zelanid dynasty of Commagene, the Zelanid kingdom of Cappadocia and the Zelanid empire of Pontus-all in Anatolia. These became Roman vassals by the end of the Ist century BC. In the east the Kurdish kingdoms of Gordyene, Cortea, Media, Kirm, and Adiabene had, by the 1st century BC, become confederate members of the Parthian Federation."

Let me add that there is not a single person from any different ethnicty in Iran to have Diyako as a name. Only kurds have it. Let me add that the grave of Cyaxares is situated deep inside zagros mountains north east of Slemani and the grave of Diyako the ofunder of the Median empire lies in probably the most nationalistic kurdish city ever in Mahabad in Eastern Kurdistan(Iran).
you cant claim hurrians or medes there isnt any proof that support your statement if you guys claim medes bcs then italians can claim spanish history bcs they re all latinos it so bs!!! you can claim hurrians bcs you have no solid connections with them you cant claim medes because there is no proof again there is no kurdish kingdons in 1st century BC dont be ridicilous you have no claims they are all sly arbil etc all iraqi lands and have iraqi past and culture iraq is a beautiful country ad the sly arbil are all historical iraqi cities you can CLAIM ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE NO PROOF YOU GUYS ARE ALL SO RACIST AND TRYING EVERY WAY TO CREATE A HISTORY
and by the way ppl in mahabad feel iranian rather than kurdish )


we are alll mix of natives of iranian semites native tribes we are all iraqi why is that so hard to grasp
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Old August 25th, 2013, 11:17 AM   #486
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You sound like a retard. Try to type civilized, and to be more civilized, before you dare to talk about ancient civilizations.

We Kurds are descendants of the Medes, we were always native to Kurdistan. We are a pure race and the Return of the Medes has been predicted. We are already on our way to the top, and soon we will dominate again. The Kingdom of Adiabene was a Kurdish-Jewish Kingdom, we will rule over the Middle-East together with Israel.
you call me retard and warn me about being more civilized you claim that kurds are descedants of the medes why because YOU WANT IT SO!!! ooohhh baby what EVIDENCE SCIENTIFIC PROOF DO YOU HAVE ??? YOU ARE NOT DESCENDANTS OF MEDES BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE SCIENTIFIC PROOF AND EVIDENCE SO YOU ARE NOT MEDES UNTIL YOU PROVE IT , AND ALL THE BS ABOUT BEING PURE RACE ETC SOUND STUPID YOU ARE TOTAL KURDISH HITLER
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The Kurdologist Martin van Bruinessen argues against the attempt to take Medes as ancestors of the Kurds. Modern scholars who consider central Iranian dialects, mainly those of Kashan area, and Tati of Tehran area as the only direct offshoots of the Median language. reference G. Asatrian, Prolegomena to the Study of the Kurds, Iran and the Caucasus, Vol.13, pp.1-58, 2009.(p.21)

you are not natives you are just thieves nothing more
we are in 21st century people care about humanity rather than race now , most people have multiple identities and proud of being multi-cultured yet you behave like a total racist funny guy so 20 th century
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Old August 25th, 2013, 12:13 PM   #487
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You sound like a retard. Try to type civilized, and to be more civilized, before you dare to talk about ancient civilizations.

We Kurds are descendants of the Medes, we were always native to Kurdistan. We are a pure race and the Return of the Medes has been predicted. We are already on our way to the top, and soon we will dominate again. The Kingdom of Adiabene was a Kurdish-Jewish Kingdom, we will rule over the Middle-East together with Israel.
Poor Kurds, always seeking Israel's approval while they doesn't care about you. You live in a bubble, as soon as it explodes you'll be hurt by the bitter reality.


Also there is no such thing as a pure race and if there were to be one, it wouldn't be the Kurdish one for sure.


Again poor Kurds there is no real evidence that your ancestors are the Medes. It's all researches with no evidence supporting this.
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Old August 25th, 2013, 05:16 PM   #488
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Who are these modern scholars? those whose political beliefs influence their "output"

Everybody knows Kirmanshan was is the heart of Kurdistan, ironically enough it was also the heart of the Median empire.

There are Median inscriptions carved into the mountains of Kurdistan. The Median king Cyaxares is buried north of Slemani. Medes had an ancient religion (a form of pre-Zoroastrian Mazdaism or Mithra worshipping) with a priesthood named as "Magi".

That is where "Kurmanji" comes from. Kur in Kurdish means son, and Manji is derived from Magi, thus, the Kurmanji at least their early ancestors were the rulling elite of the Medes, the Magi tribe.

I don't care what some scholars have to say about it today, the facts speak for themselves.

Still nothing of that is proven. Till it's proven scientifically you should not run your mouth around and claim stuff you "think" is true.
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Old August 25th, 2013, 05:34 PM   #489
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Oh my god. A bloka has more intelligence than you.


SCIENTIFICALLY, do you know what this means?
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Old August 25th, 2013, 07:24 PM   #490
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First of all you ignorant piece of sand, it is proven scientifically and very well. The only ones denying kurds having medes as their ancestors are turkeys, ASSyrians and sand animals like youself. Go and ask any iranian from Iran and they will themselves say that kurds are descendant from the medes. Only retards living in fear with having kurds as neighbours deny it.

Do you want an iraqi source then, You garbage? Wadie Jwaideh, a christian from BASRAH wrote the book Kurdish national movement, it's origins and development. Let me quote "it's axiomatic that kurds are descendant from the medes" Which means it doesn't need to be proven even tough it already is. Just retards like you denies it. Londoner gave you clear evidence aswell.

I am really ashamed of you Sinjar and Mo7amed, you stick you trash like this? Ridiculing your culture and history? Do you accept that? You're no better than the jashes who co-operated with Saddam.
Where is Media ? not in Mesopotamia ( lowland ), these are heavy contradictions you know.

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Old August 25th, 2013, 07:36 PM   #491
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Nothing is proven scientifically means there is no evidence and that means all that you've read are hypothesis. But MM won't even understand that. Kurds are not native, you have migrated to the places you call today "Kurdistan".

Unless something is theoretically proven it stays hypotheses.


Also what's up with the insults? Does it make you feel good? Do you feel superior? Only the weak and incapable people use insults to prove a point which they usually also fail at doing so. So all of you cretins failed at making a point and also made a fool out of yourselves.



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Old August 25th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #492
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Yes, we were always native to Kurdistan, we didn't come from other places since there is not a start for Kurdish settlement, we were always there. And the first civilizations (Mesopotamia) also belong to us since the first place where agriculture was ''invented'', was in the Northern part of Mesopotamia which is today's South-Kurdistan. Kurdistan is the cradle of civilization, we are the original people. Iraqi Arabs can't claim anything, not even Babylon or other parts of Mesopotamia since you migrated to that place and they are not your ancestors and you are not their descendants, you actually used to be Iranians.
such a typical kurd. Tries to claim the **** out of everything they possibly can.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:24 AM   #493
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Yes, we were always native to Kurdistan, we didn't come from other places since there is not a start for Kurdish settlement, we were always there. And the first civilizations (Mesopotamia) also belong to us since the first place where agriculture was ''invented'', was in the Northern part of Mesopotamia which is today's South-Kurdistan. Kurdistan is the cradle of civilization, we are the original people. Iraqi Arabs can't claim anything, not even Babylon or other parts of Mesopotamia since you migrated to that place and they are not your ancestors and you are not their descendants, you actually used to be Iranians.
Ignored everything except one thing and this my reply to it.

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Old August 26th, 2013, 12:47 AM   #494
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lol you kurds are iranic people yourself, we semetic.

WHERE THE **** IS AL HASHIMI WHEN WE NEED HIM, HE WOULD RIP HIM TO PIECES
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i am not talking about iranic people I am talking about you being ARABIZED, you used to be PERSIANS that why you all are shia !
You never looked at the Islam era history did you, that had nothing to do with ethnicity.
Egypt was shia at 1 point, are they also persians ?
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Old August 26th, 2013, 01:12 AM   #496
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that is a true, it is proven by many historians. You are arabized persians! That's why most of you are shia !
Most Arabs and Muslims in general are Sunnis not Shia. The only Iraqis that are Persians are without doubt the ones speaking a Persian sub language, the Kurds.

And again, never go full retard again.
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yes, it could be because Cairo was the capital of the KURDISH WARRIOR SALADIN and we Kurds belong to the Aryan (Iranian) branch of nations and at least 2/5 of his troops were Kurds and non_Arabs, so that could have influenced the population, but then they died and Shia stopped spreading! So they were not actually the ancestors of today's Egyptians, but just shia's who used to live there at some point and died without settling there permanently, you get it?!
They died, just like that? Did the people of anfal die normally?


If you answer yes to the first question, the same answer applies to the second question.
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kurdish is not a persian sub language you stupid morron it is an indo-european language faggot

this is arab civilization:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9dhSgnRl0s


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you stole the idea from us great Arabs
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Old August 26th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #500
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iraqi boy forced to put the camel flag down in kurdistan
he obeys because he knows if he doesn't, his pig family will be forced to eat pig meat and their mouths will be used as toilets

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