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Old August 25th, 2013, 05:12 PM   #701
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Says the guy who has The Shard - London in his signature. London should build some real supertalls (by roof height) first and then we'll talk.

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Lets see how these criterias apply to Shenzhen
1. Shenzhen has 10 supertalls U/C, 6 more under preparation (3 completed supertalls currently exist)
2. Shenzhen already got 26 buildings between 200-299m height range, 18 more are under construction (maybe more, i could count this much only).
3. New York is definitely ahead in uniqueness of architecture
4. Shenzhen's got all of them, New York skyline doesn't have mountains nearby
7. New York is much ahead as of now

Shenzhen was established just 30 years ago, give it 15 years more then see what happens. New York took its time to reach today's position.
New York's layout (the Manhattan Island) is pretty good. The southern tip with the Statue of Liberty and tall, densely packed skyscrapers make an epic scene.

But yes, I agree we have to give Shenzhen more time. I'm following Chinese projects quite closely.

My top skyscrapers u/c (or in prep) are all located in China and the US:
1. Torre Verre
2. CTF Guangzhou
3. Ping An Shenzhen
4. 2WTC (on hold for now)
5. 432 PA

1WTC (needs more height, antenna is ugly) and the Shanghai Tower (too curvy for my taste) are overrated imo.
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Old August 25th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #702
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Lets see how these criterias apply to Shenzhen
1. Shenzhen has 10 supertalls U/C, 6 more under preparation (3 completed supertalls currently exist)
2. Shenzhen already got 26 buildings between 200-299m height range, 18 more are under construction (maybe more, i could count this much only).
3. New York is definitely ahead in uniqueness of architecture
4. Shenzhen's got all of them, New York skyline doesn't have mountains nearby
6. New York is much ahead as of now

Shenzhen was established just 30 years ago, give it 15 years more then see what happens. New York took its time to reach today's position.
New York City didn't take 30 years, it took more than 120 years!
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Old August 25th, 2013, 06:29 PM   #703
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The Shenzhen saga- 25 years, rags to riches

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25 years ago. A small fishing village.


Some factories and people showed up.


Buildings! Not skysrapers though...


Still not many.


Preparing for the new avenue.


Avenue complete.


Hmmm, much better.


Like a small town.


Cranes and the new city showed up.


Getting crowded.


Skyscrapers!


Population rushed in.


A city of construction.


You can now call it "big".


Getting attractive.


Expanded around the lake.


Skyscrapers getting more.


Try to build new high.


Ambitions in 1996


10 Years ago.


A modern city.


The same avenue today.


New skyscrapers never stop showing up.


Hong Kong's new brother.


This post is 7 years old btw. A lot happened in Shenzhen since then
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Old August 25th, 2013, 06:31 PM   #704
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Quantity over quality... NYC had that time in the 1890s..
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Old August 25th, 2013, 07:39 PM   #705
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Says the guy who has The Shard - London in his signature. London should build some real supertalls (by roof height) first and then we'll talk.



New York's layout (the Manhattan Island) is pretty good. The southern tip with the Statue of Liberty and tall, densely packed skyscrapers make an epic scene.

But yes, I agree we have to give Shenzhen more time. I'm following Chinese projects quite closely.

My top skyscrapers u/c (or in prep) are all located in China and the US:
1. Torre Verre
2. CTF Guangzhou
3. Ping An Shenzhen
4. 2WTC (on hold for now)
5. 432 PA

1WTC (needs more height, antenna is ugly) and the Shanghai Tower (too curvy for my taste) are overrated imo.
May i ask what is wrong with the Shard?
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Old August 25th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #706
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The Shenzhen saga- 25 years, rags to riches



This post is 7 years old btw. A lot happened in Shenzhen since then
Wow! What a big change!
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Old August 25th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #707
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The Shenzhen saga- 25 years, rags to riches



This post is 7 years old btw. A lot happened in Shenzhen since then

And after 10-15 yrs probably the worlds best skyline city.
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Old August 25th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #708
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Tremendous changes in such a short period of time, impressive
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Old August 25th, 2013, 11:49 PM   #709
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There is a reason why China made this city the first Special Economic Zone.Its sort of happening to Zhuhai too
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No. But I can see where your question is coming from ... right now the Midtown plateau is about 700 - 900 feet. Only a few towers, i.e. supertalls, can break through that mass.

Supertalls completed in Midtown:
- Empire State Building, 381m
- Bank of America Tower, 366m
- Chrysler Building, 319m
- New York Times Tower, 319m

Supertalls under construction / prep work in Midtown (+ West Side):
- 225 West 57th Street, 472m (min.)
- 432 Park Avenue, 426m
- Hudson Yards North Tower, 408m
- One Manhattan West, 371m
- 111 West 57th Street, 366m (min.)
- Torre Verre, 320m
- Girasole, 323m
- One57, 306m




Dubai already has about 20 supertalls, yet hardly anyone here on SSC has it as number 1. It's not enough to just build supertalls en masse, you need quality and density too. Just take a look at the Dubai Marina ...
Thanks a lot.
But actually i meant the "empty" gab between both cluster.
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Old August 28th, 2013, 09:23 PM   #711
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Shanghai is definitely building QUALITY buildings..

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Old August 28th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #712
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Imagine Chicago's skyline (at least the Loop) being put in between Midtown & Downtown New York. Oh dear ...
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Old August 30th, 2013, 09:55 AM   #713
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I believe Chicago would still be one of the tops in 2025


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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #714
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Let's give Jakarta a little more time
and it surely be one of the world's best.

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>>>> 4 Supertalls are On-going in Jakarta currently


CEMINDO Tower (300+ m / 67 storey)



TOWER ONE @ THAMRIN NINE (330 m / 73 storey)



PERTAMINA ENERGY TOWER (500+ m / 99 storey)




SIGNATURE TOWER (638 m / 111 storey)




>>>> Proposed / Approved


PERURI-88 (400+ m / 88 storey)







MENARA JAKARTA (500+ m / ? storey) Status : On-Hold







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Old August 31st, 2013, 09:47 AM   #716
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Oh yeah I bet Jakarta will be on the top 10 in the next 15 - 20 years. But it will have a lot of competition with other cities, like kuala lumpur and guangzhou.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:32 AM   #717
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And when ever some body shows Jakarta... it's always individual photos and renders. The skyline has potential, but I don't think it'll be a standout over the coming decade.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:26 PM   #718
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Thanks to Funkyskunk2!

New rendering showing 432 PA (426m, u/c), One57 (306m, t/o) and Torre Verre (320m, prep). Now imagine 107W57th (366m, prep) and 225W57th (472m, demo) in that view!

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Why on earth is Torre Verre still stuck at 1050' when there are gigantic towers like 432 out of the ground (with more approved)? Shouldn't they be able to come back with, say, 1150'? The one argument against it (overshadowing the ESB) has proven to be both moot, and to not have applied to a bunch of other projects in midtown. There's still a chance! It should be one of the centerpieces, not "just another tower!!!"
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Why on earth is Torre Verre still stuck at 1050' when there are gigantic towers like 432 out of the ground (with more approved)? Shouldn't they be able to come back with, say, 1150'? The one argument against it (overshadowing the ESB) has proven to be both moot, and to not have applied to a bunch of other projects in midtown. There's still a chance! It should be one of the centerpieces, not "just another tower!!!"
Problem with Torre Verre is that it was never 'as of right'. The tower had to go through some complicated approval processes. The City Planning Commission has strict rules and unfortunately Amanda Burden (she's a real burden) chopped the tower's head off due to ridiculous reasons. According to her, the top didn't meet the required aesthetics and thus would 'disturb' the ESB. Again, ridiculous.

Never came it to her mind that maybe, just maybe she should have given Nouvel the chance to redesign the very top so Verre could keep its initial height.

What a bit**.
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