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Old December 17th, 2006, 02:47 PM   #1
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Alstom Aims for Rail-Speed Record With Upgraded TGV

Dec. 15 (Bloomberg) --

Alstom SA's TGV train will attempt to set a new rail-speed record of 550 kilometers an hour (342 mph) in coming months using upgraded technology and a faster, straighter line in eastern France.

Alstom and state rail operator Societe Nationale des Chemins de Fer, or SNCF, will seek to extend the TGV's existing record of 515.3 kph on a newly built stretch of track, Philippe Mellier, head of Alstom's transport unit, said in an interview.

``All the elements are in place and we're ready for the challenge,'' Mellier said. ``The line is ready and we have the technology.'' The bid, to be made in February or March, will be announced Monday by French Transport Minister Dominique Perben.

Alstom, the world's second-biggest train maker, has been building the TGV, or Train a Grande Vitesse, for 25 years and set the existing record in 1990. Merrier said that the upgraded train may even reach 570 kph with the help of technology developed for the company's new AGV regional train fleet.

Alstom, which also builds power stations, recorded its first annual profit since 2001 in the 12 months through March after railway operators and utilities placed orders to refurbish older equipment and install new gear.

Next year's record attempt will feature a five-carriage TGV set assembled at Alstom's plant in La Rochelle. The train will draw on 24,000 horsepower from two motorized cars and run on track built by rail-network owner Reseau Ferre de France.

The company has about 450 TGV trains in service in France and overseas markets including Spain and South Korea. The train also runs on the Thalys network operating between France and Belgium, Holland and Germany and is used in modified form for the Eurostar between London, Paris and Brussels.

Shares of Alstom rose 1.8 percent to 98.65 euros today. The stock has surged 103 percent this year, giving a market value of 13.6 billion euros ($18 billion).



Some people speak of 550kph, some other hope 600kph. But rail fans in France (just like me :p) all hope that the targeted speed is 600kph. Alstom and SNCF said that 550kph will be enough but we all think that will try to make better just like in 1990!
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Old December 17th, 2006, 04:03 PM   #2
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A few more news about TGV est européen:


Direct TGV Connections for 37 Million Europeans

Serving around forty destinations, from Strasbourg to Bordeaux, Rennes or Lille; from Paris to Luxembourg, Metz, Nancy, Frankfurt or Zurich, in 2007 the TGV EST EUROPEEN will offer a new proximity to 37 million French and European customers.

Paris and some twenty cities of Eastern France will be directly connected via TGV and on most of the destinations the customers will enjoy a journey shorter by at least a third of the actual duration.

Paris will only be 2h20 away from Strasbourg, 1h30 away from Nancy or Metz, 45 minutes away from Reims. And with the good network of regional and local transport (TER, Bus, Tramway), inhabitants of these regions will benefit from the arrival of the TGV.

TGV EST EUROPEEN will also connect Paris directly with about 10 destinations in Germany, Switzerland and Luxembourg.

Besides the connections between Paris and Eastern France, TGV EST EUROPEEN will offer new opportunities of travel with direct TGV connections via Strasbourg and 3 new Stations between Eastern France on one hand and Ile-de-France, Northern, Western and South-Western France on the other hand.

3 New Stations will be built on the outskirts of 3 cities. Champagne-Ardennes TGV station will be situated 5 km from Reims, Lorraine TGV station between Metz and Nancy and Meuse TGV station about thirty km from Verdun and Bar-le-Duc. These modern and comfortable New Stations will be easily accessible by individual and public transport.

The new TGV Est Network : Paris- Strasbourg




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Old December 19th, 2006, 12:05 PM   #3
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Breaking news!!

Paris - France's high-speed TGV train - already the fastest in the world - is to try to break its own record by hitting speeds above 540km per hour, its constructors said on Monday.

One of the prides of French engineering, the superfast train a grande vitesse (TGV) set the current world rail record of 515.3km per hour, in test conditions, in 1990.

The new speed trial will be carried out in early April on the brand new TGV line connecting Paris to the eastern city of Strasbourg, which is set to open in June 2007.

According to the French engineering giant Alstom, which builds the TGV, the train is hoped to hit speeds of 550-570km per hour.

Currently, average travelling speeds for the TGV are around 300km per hour, but trains on the latest-generation Paris-Strasbourg line are to run slightly faster at 320km per hour.

The tests will nonetheless take rail travel almost up to commercial aircraft speeds. In the medium term, SNCF hopes to upgrade all its high-speed lines to 320kph, possibly 360kph (224mph), for ordinary service trains.

The record attempt will also make a strong statement that France is ready to take on competition from Japan and Germany in the multibillion-pound market for high-speed trains.
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Old December 20th, 2006, 07:51 PM   #4
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That's cool! I ride TGVs all the time and I love it.

So if it's currently around 300km/hr, and they've been testing it at 500km/hr....are they ever going to raise the speed? I know the Strasbourg route will be at 320km/hr.

But anything higher is deemed unsafe or the tracks aren't suitable? Is France going to try and raise the speeds on the other routes? Or is there no need to?
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Old December 21st, 2006, 01:27 PM   #5
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Yes the Strasbourg route is planned for 320kph (so is the a part of the line between lyon and marseille since 2001).

Tests have been succesfully made a few months ago to upgrade the speed at 360kph on all the high speed lines in few years (instead of 300 and 320kph). We already know that all the future lines after the new eastern one will be build for 360kph.
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Old December 21st, 2006, 01:34 PM   #6
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360km/h would be very cool and a nice round number - 100 metres per second
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Old December 21st, 2006, 02:10 PM   #7
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Yes the Strasbourg route is planned for 320kph (so is the a part of the line between lyon and marseille since 2001).

Tests have been succesfully made a few months ago to upgrade the speed at 360kph on all the high speed lines in few years (instead of 300 and 320kph). We already know that all the future lines after the new eastern one will be build for 360kph.
Oh sweeeet!! How does that compare to the other high-speed lines in the world? Is France going to be at the top?
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Old December 21st, 2006, 03:14 PM   #8
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Japan railways also plan to upgrade their speed up to 360kph in a few years. Spain will open quickly a new line madrid-Barcelona with a section at 350kph.


No i wouldn't say that France is on the top. I think german ICE, japanese Shinkansen and French TGV are all fantastic trains, all have their avantages. ICE for its luxury 1st class and comfort, TGV and Shinkansen for their fiability (no fatalities on high speed lines since their launch). Shinkansen wins for its punctuality, TGV for its low prices (actually u can run from Paris to Marseille -800km- in 3 hours for 19€!)
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Old December 21st, 2006, 04:25 PM   #9
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Japan railways also plan to upgrade their speed up to 360kph in a few years. Spain will open quickly a new line madrid-Barcelona with a section at 350kph.


No i wouldn't say that France is on the top. I think german ICE, japanese Shinkansen and French TGV are all fantastic trains, all have their avantages. ICE for its luxury 1st class and comfort, TGV and Shinkansen for their fiability (no fatalities on high speed lines since their launch). Shinkansen wins for its punctuality, TGV for its low prices (actually u can run from Paris to Marseille -800km- in 3 hours for 19€!)

I would agree with that - but also Japan trains on top for energy efficiency,
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Old August 18th, 2007, 11:44 PM   #10
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MISC | High Speed Rail Discussion

From the 14th November 2007, London and Paris will be just over 2 hours away by train. Two of the Greatest Cities on Earth will be forged together.

It is now quicker to go between London and Paris by train than it is to travel across many cities during rush hour.

St Pancras Website - http://www.stpancras.com/

London to Paris - 2 hours 15 mins
London to Brussels - 1hr 51 mins
London to Lille - 1hr 20 mins

Does your city have any high speed rail links with other major cities??????
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Old August 18th, 2007, 11:55 PM   #11
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Where is this located in London?
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Old August 19th, 2007, 12:51 AM   #12
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You forget the other transportation, unless you live at that station, and the destination is that other station...
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Old August 19th, 2007, 03:27 AM   #13
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huh? I've never even heard of these two places.

Are they really far away? Two hours by train, sounds far!
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Old August 19th, 2007, 03:50 AM   #14
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but its expensive
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Old August 19th, 2007, 12:04 PM   #15
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but its expensive

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Tickets go on sale for Eurostar’s new St Pancras service
24 July 2007

http://www.easier.com/view/Travel/Tr...le-130464.html

Eurostar, the high speed passenger train operator that links the UK and the Continent, has today put on sale seats on the very first services from St Pancras International, for travel at 186 mph on the UK’s newly completed high-speed line – High Speed 1.

The first trains from Eurostar’s new London home will run on the morning of Wednesday 14 November. Eurostar will be the first train operator in the world to provide ‘carbon neutral’ journeys for all its travellers, at no extra charge.

From today, travellers can also buy tickets for the final trains from Waterloo International, the original London terminal since Eurostar services began in 1994. Eurostar services to and from Waterloo International will end on Tuesday 13 November.

Tickets for both the first trains from St Pancras and last trains from Waterloo are on sale from 09.00 BST in the UK (10.00 CET on the Continent). Seats are being offered at the normal prices and start from £59 return to Paris or Brussels. Travellers can book via Eurostar.com, at Eurostar stations or by contacting their travel agent.
£59 return is hardly expensive.

Standard Class to Paris also starts at £59.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/...s/trfreq27.php

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Old August 19th, 2007, 12:06 PM   #16
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huh? I've never even heard of these two places.

Are they really far away? Two hours by train, sounds far!

Sadly I believe you

Still at least you can manage to write.
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You forget the other transportation, unless you live at that station, and the destination is that other station...
St Pancras is right next door to Kings Cross and not far from
Euston, and you will also be able to travel from stations from
in London such as the new Stratford Eurostar Terminal and
outside of London at massive new Ebbsfleet station and Ashford.

Ebbsfleet International Station

Ebbsfleet International is a new Eurostar station a few miles
outside the M25 in Kent, on the Channel Tunnel Rail Link,
which will have a 15 min journey time to St Pancras.

There will be 9,000 car park spaces across six car parks with
3,000 spaces available for domestic passengers.

Ebbsfleet International Station will see 4 Eurostar trains per
hour in peak time with a 15 minute journey time to St Pancras.

Ebbsfleet International Station



Stratford International Station

Stratford International Station will be a massive station
and built in a sunken "box" just to the north of the current
Stratford station (to be known in future as Stratford Regional).

A massive new development called Stratford City is planned
around the new Eurostar station and this is also key to the
London 2012 Olympic bid.

Stratford International Under Construction

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Route Map showing Stations.



Ashford International


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Old August 19th, 2007, 12:13 PM   #18
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Where is this located in London?
St Pancras - London

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Gare du Nord - Paris

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Old August 19th, 2007, 01:42 PM   #19
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£59 return is hardly expensive.

Standard Class to Paris also starts at £59.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/...s/trfreq27.php
thats if you book 3 month in advance and if you are lucky
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European railways take on low-cost airlines

David Gow in Brussels
Tuesday July 3, 2007
The Guardian

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2117044,00.html

Europe's leading train operators, including Eurostar, yesterday issued a challenge to low-cost airlines with a new alliance to promote faster, cheaper and greener cross-border rail services.

"Trains are back in Europe," Guillaume Pepy, chief executive of French state-owned railways SNCF, said at the launch of Railteam. He said that the combined operators aimed to carry 25 million passengers on Europe's new high-speed network by 2010 compared with fewer than 15 million now.

Railteam mirrors the three big code-sharing alliances set up by the biggest airlines, and comprises Deutsche Bahn, SNCF, Holland's NS Hispeed, Austria's ÖBB, Swiss operator SBB and Belgium's SNCB as well as Eurostar.

It also embraces Thalys - the high-speed Franco-Belgian-Dutch operator - and is a "fourth choice" for travellers after the three airline alliances, according to Mr Pepy. It will initially run to more than 100 cities, growing to 400 destinations and 15,000km by 2020. The marketing alliance aims to grab a 50% share of journeys taking less than four hours for business customers and six hours for leisure travellers .

The companies' chief executives set out plans to halve journey times and make it easier for passengers to cross Europe on new high-speed links such as TGV-Est, the new service from Paris via Strasbourg to Germany, in a €30m (£20m) new distribution system. Travellers will in 2009 be able to buy tickets from, say, Glasgow to Perpignan in a single transaction online.

Eurostar, which has taken market share from airlines because of delays at airports, is offering faster services between Scotland, the north of England and Wales via the new terminal at St Pancras in London to the continent. It has 69% of the market to Paris and 64% of travellers to Brussels.

Richard Brown, Eurostar's chief executive, said he aims to increase through-services to France, including Lyon and Roissy airport, and ski resorts.

Eurostar offers a £59 return to Paris and saw a 13.2% jump in sales in the first quarter. It says it will make its cheapest fares available throughout the network. The new services promise to reduce passengers' carbon footprints as well as matching or beating journey times offered by low-cost airlines on shorter routes. They draw on the experience of Thalys which has killed off scheduled flights between Brussels and Paris by cutting the journey time to one hour and 22 minutes.
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