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Old January 25th, 2007, 08:54 AM   #81
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bringing out pictures of fight jets, weapons and missles is really unnecessary and irrelavant. u dont get any respect from doing this...
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Old January 25th, 2007, 09:50 AM   #82
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Copying things isnt always bad, many countries have done that to start up their own industry. Actually i encourage poorer and developing countries to copy technology, medicine and such to suit their markets prizes and to develope. Becouse of the most of the times unjust tradingconditions for poorer countries they need to stand up for themselves.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #83
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japan can't make any VLS, all from USA..

we can make it by ourself...

That's the way to strong and weak...


what ever you can buy, you can't make it by yourself, you still useless...

The UK reject some F22 becouse the code controled by USA...
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Old January 26th, 2007, 09:41 AM   #84
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might I suggest the China Defense Forum
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Old January 27th, 2007, 12:16 AM   #85
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the Japanese military industry is arguably more advanced than Chinese one.

Firms like Kawasaki, Mitsubishi HI, Fuji HI do not only make civilian products, they make military hardware too.

The only thing that is holding Japan back is the high cost of development because Japan cannot export weapons due to its constitution, which makes the cost per unit extremely high.(only JSDF can buy from them, not foreign countries).

Kongo class destroyer, China still doesnt have anything that can match this ship in terms of technology and displacement, this ship has been in service with JMSDF for more than 10 years.

The Kongo class destroyer is a licensed built a U.S. Burke class DDG. Same radar, engine, gun, missiles, sonar.

The SAD thing is, I'll never be able to ride a high speed train from San Francisco to Los Angeles, cause it'll never be built.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 12:29 PM   #86
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CRH2 debut Jan 28 2007

CRH (Chinese Railway Highspeed) debut today Jan 28 2007 on Shanghai - Hangzhou.

CRH will be officially running across the country at 200 ~ 250 km/h on Apr 18 2007, China plans 6th nation-wide railway speed raising on Apr 18 2007.












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Old January 28th, 2007, 05:30 PM   #87
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1. How long will the Journey from Shanghai to Hangzhou take with that train?

2. Thats Shanghai South railway station right? Are there new aerials thtat show how the station and its surrounding area look like late 2006 or 2007?
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Old January 28th, 2007, 07:02 PM   #88
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Could you guys take a little break?! This is a thread about high speed trains on railway forum. Why don't you just stop those nationalistic ranting for a while please?!
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Old January 29th, 2007, 05:41 AM   #89
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1. How long will the Journey from Shanghai to Hangzhou take with that train?

2. Thats Shanghai South railway station right? Are there new aerials thtat show how the station and its surrounding area look like late 2006 or 2007?
1. Shanghai-hangzhou's distance is about 170km. Now the train is running as a normal train at 160km/h, one-way ticket 44RMB (US$5.66). So it may take about a bit more than an hour. It'll be running at 200~250/km/h after Apr 18 2007.

2. Yes, it's Shanghai south station but haven't got new aerials. More CRH and south station platform pics (from hasea.com)






















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Old January 29th, 2007, 08:53 AM   #90
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looks kinda like a knock-off of a Japanese Shinkansen....
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Old January 29th, 2007, 09:00 AM   #91
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looks kinda like a knock-off of a Japanese Shinkansen....
CRH2 uses Shinkansen technology.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 09:42 AM   #92
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looks kinda like a knock-off of a Japanese Shinkansen....
Its not a knock off it IS a shinkansen E2 series. Japan provided the first batch China has license to built the rest its 60 of them if I remember it correctly. Why do people always think its a copy or knock off? Never thought of the possibility that they could actually buy one? Geez.

Oh in another note, China will also obtain the new Pendolino trains, and the ICE3 derived train by 2008

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Old January 29th, 2007, 04:07 PM   #93
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Its not a knock off it IS a shinkansen E2 series. Japan provided the first batch China has license to built the rest its 60 of them if I remember it correctly. Why do people always think its a copy or knock off? Never thought of the possibility that they could actually buy one? Geez.

Oh in another note, China will also obtain the new Pendolino trains, and the ICE3 derived train by 2008
Agree, it's a common dumb comment. China are researching hsr and maglev, but in both instances they went ahead and bought a functioning foreign system. The most sensible approach all round imo.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 04:19 PM   #94
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Agree, it's a common dumb comment. China are researching hsr and maglev, but in both instances they went ahead and bought a functioning foreign system. The most sensible approach all round imo.
Believe me the next target of China accusing wave will be the China's ARJ series commercial passenger airplanes which is supposed to debut in 2008.
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Old January 29th, 2007, 11:19 PM   #95
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Believe me the next target of China accusing wave will be the China's ARJ series commercial passenger airplanes which is supposed to debut in 2008.
Yep, I'm sure people will say its a MD-80 knockoff
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Old January 30th, 2007, 10:34 AM   #96
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It is in theory a version of the MD-80... MD sold China the DC-9 technology.
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Old January 30th, 2007, 12:21 PM   #97
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How do you guys compare this CRH vs Japanese Shinkansen or Korean Version one in term of performance and technology?

Anybody has information regarding ARJ21 which will debut in 2008?

Thx
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Old January 30th, 2007, 11:13 PM   #98
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E2-1000 is not one of the cutting-edge Shinkansen models in Japan...at least not anymore. Regardless, any train that runs 250 km/h in service is a formidable piece of technology.

China's railways plan to accommodate 300+ km/h trains within a few years.
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Old January 31st, 2007, 03:02 AM   #99
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If china does have its own high speed technology as pics showed, but still despetely seeking Germany, France and Japan for negotiations, I'll conclude that the motive behind this is more for potential technology absorption. Are high speed 'technologies' flexible enough for creative uses, including civil and military purposes? Sorry for raising up the defense or military issue here, I don't mean to be rude here.

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chinese magnetism aerotrain (fast speed) 500km/h



Domestic production rate reached 85%



chinese magnetism aerotrain (normal speed)




for magnetism aerotrain ,It takes China more than 20 years long from dream come true...
Will be in market for business in next 5 years...



China star (312.5km/h at 2003)




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Old January 31st, 2007, 03:48 AM   #100
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well, the foreigners only want 2 make money of u, so the best thing is 2 get the technology so that u can make ur country better n build everything for urself not relyin foreign companies because they can rip u off, just 1line of chinese high speed train cost something like 20billion usd, china is so big there will be hundres of lines being build in the future, so if we can build our own one it will be much better, and of course we develop them better than when the technology imported in the first place. I think technology should be shared because it makes every human being better, why not? is all because of money, isnt it, every countries r selfish of course
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