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Old January 24th, 2007, 02:20 PM   #61
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chinese magnetism aerotrain (fast speed) 500km/h



Domestic production rate reached 85%



chinese magnetism aerotrain (normal speed)




for magnetism aerotrain ,It takes China more than 20 years long from dream come true...
Will be in market for business in next 5 years...



China star (312.5km/h at 2003)





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Old January 24th, 2007, 03:52 PM   #62
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copy this , copy that,

copy a aerocraft engine for me?

Japan has boeing workshop before 28 years. Still can't make any decent aerocraft engine utill now, don't even mention the military turbo engine.

japan can only dreams...




















j-11b with chinese tvc engine, j-10 will equip it soon either. and a 15 t thrust ws-10 turbofan modification will be available within 5 years.




don't even mention the anti-satellite science and technology, first launched from china land all over the world...

japan can only dreams...










32 units of hq-16 hot-launched vls fit on 054a.


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Old January 24th, 2007, 03:58 PM   #63
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copy this , copy that,

copy a aerocraft engine for me?

Japan has boeing workshop before 28 years. Still can't make any decent aerocraft engine utill now, don't even mention the military turbo engine.

japan can only dreams...




















j-11b with chinese tvc engine, j-10 will equip it soon either. and a 15 t thrust ws-10 turbofan modification will be available within 5 years.




don't even mention the anti-satellite science and technology, first launched from china land all over the world...

japan can only dreams...










32 units of hq-16 hot-launched vls fit on 054a.



Maybe becouse they use their time to develope other things than weapons

Anyhow, impressive trainspeeds.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 04:05 PM   #64
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there is no maybe, militaty industry is the highest standard.

we are not the same level at all...
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Old January 24th, 2007, 04:47 PM   #65
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Is that a high speed train?

Nope? So why you posted that? Just to diss Japan huh?
If you want to play out of the subjet and complain about everybody saying China is a copying master, hit this:
Chinese copy of the BMW X5:

Guess which is the original, which is the Chinese copy:

Mercedes CLK

Mini?

Check out the logo of the brand, remind anything?


Man, you've got to recognize the truth.
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Old January 24th, 2007, 06:49 PM   #66
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Why copy when you can buy decent trains and airplanes in any other country.


AND MAYBE EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, why qoute lot's of Off Topic pictures when you can use or delete them in your post.

And ON TOPIC:

Nobody mentioned the new 200 km/h Pendolino trains by Alstom for China, the first train have arrived in China by now or atleast almost. The first 3 trains are build in Italy the rest (51) will be build by the Changchun Railway Company in China. They will be used on regional lines, using it's tilting to go faster on older convetional lines.

U/C pics from the factory in Italy





http://www.transport.alstom.com/home...news/Hot_news/
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Old January 24th, 2007, 07:42 PM   #67
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yes you can buy, that's why japan has master.

we don't...

you can choose master, but we can be master...


japan, you copying everything from china for more than 1000 of years.
even your language is copy from chinese. what a shame, you still using now...
toyota's car even copy french car today. toyota's corrola copy 307...



for the next 1000 years, you should be play like a kawayi cat if you don't want be take out of the world...
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Old January 24th, 2007, 08:13 PM   #68
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You're talking gibberish!
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Old January 25th, 2007, 07:37 AM   #69
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OH C'mon people stop this China vs Japan Crap this is about trains not who can built better ones!

As for the Italian train, I have no idea China was getting that I think its cool more variety. Imagine what China will be like 10yrs from now since they are modernizing its railway sector. At this rate I believe China might be the country with the largest highspeed rail network, its only a matter of time considering the huge population and land.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 08:29 AM   #70
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Alstom is a French company.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 08:37 AM   #71
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there is no maybe, militaty industry is the highest standard.

we are not the same level at all...
the Japanese military industry is arguably more advanced than Chinese one.

Firms like Kawasaki, Mitsubishi HI, Fuji HI do not only make civilian products, they make military hardware too.

The only thing that is holding Japan back is the high cost of development because Japan cannot export weapons due to its constitution, which makes the cost per unit extremely high.(only JSDF can buy from them, not foreign countries).

Kongo class destroyer, China still doesnt have anything that can match this ship in terms of technology and displacement, this ship has been in service with JMSDF for more than 10 years.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 08:54 AM   #72
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bringing out pictures of fight jets, weapons and missles is really unnecessary and irrelavant. u dont get any respect from doing this...
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Old January 25th, 2007, 09:50 AM   #73
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Copying things isnt always bad, many countries have done that to start up their own industry. Actually i encourage poorer and developing countries to copy technology, medicine and such to suit their markets prizes and to develope. Becouse of the most of the times unjust tradingconditions for poorer countries they need to stand up for themselves.
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Old January 25th, 2007, 03:17 PM   #74
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japan can't make any VLS, all from USA..

we can make it by ourself...

That's the way to strong and weak...


what ever you can buy, you can't make it by yourself, you still useless...

The UK reject some F22 becouse the code controled by USA...
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Old January 26th, 2007, 09:41 AM   #75
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might I suggest the China Defense Forum
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Old January 27th, 2007, 12:16 AM   #76
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the Japanese military industry is arguably more advanced than Chinese one.

Firms like Kawasaki, Mitsubishi HI, Fuji HI do not only make civilian products, they make military hardware too.

The only thing that is holding Japan back is the high cost of development because Japan cannot export weapons due to its constitution, which makes the cost per unit extremely high.(only JSDF can buy from them, not foreign countries).

Kongo class destroyer, China still doesnt have anything that can match this ship in terms of technology and displacement, this ship has been in service with JMSDF for more than 10 years.

The Kongo class destroyer is a licensed built a U.S. Burke class DDG. Same radar, engine, gun, missiles, sonar.

The SAD thing is, I'll never be able to ride a high speed train from San Francisco to Los Angeles, cause it'll never be built.
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Old January 28th, 2007, 12:29 PM   #77
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CRH2 debut Jan 28 2007

CRH (Chinese Railway Highspeed) debut today Jan 28 2007 on Shanghai - Hangzhou.

CRH will be officially running across the country at 200 ~ 250 km/h on Apr 18 2007, China plans 6th nation-wide railway speed raising on Apr 18 2007.












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Old January 28th, 2007, 05:30 PM   #78
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1. How long will the Journey from Shanghai to Hangzhou take with that train?

2. Thats Shanghai South railway station right? Are there new aerials thtat show how the station and its surrounding area look like late 2006 or 2007?
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Old January 28th, 2007, 07:02 PM   #79
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Could you guys take a little break?! This is a thread about high speed trains on railway forum. Why don't you just stop those nationalistic ranting for a while please?!
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1. How long will the Journey from Shanghai to Hangzhou take with that train?

2. Thats Shanghai South railway station right? Are there new aerials thtat show how the station and its surrounding area look like late 2006 or 2007?
1. Shanghai-hangzhou's distance is about 170km. Now the train is running as a normal train at 160km/h, one-way ticket 44RMB (US$5.66). So it may take about a bit more than an hour. It'll be running at 200~250/km/h after Apr 18 2007.

2. Yes, it's Shanghai south station but haven't got new aerials. More CRH and south station platform pics (from hasea.com)






















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