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Old March 6th, 2015, 02:55 PM   #621
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The podium is too big; that whole area in front of the residential towers should be public space.
Mate, let's not be too demanding here though. They are giving us multiple new jewels to add to our city and HEAPS of public and recreational space along with em. That podium probably serves Crown more than the general public but when they have invested so much in this amazing new project, i say let em have their big podium.
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Sounds like the Crown marketing machine is doing an amazing job. Hopefully they build an alter at which we can bow our heads and give thanks to the gods of philanthropy, James Packer and Lend Lease.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 11:32 PM   #623
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Old March 7th, 2015, 01:38 AM   #624
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I REALLY dig them, hope they stay pretty much the same, maybe just refined a little more. That skinny and high is how all the resi's going up around the CBD should be. Class
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Old March 7th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #625
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in the article below LL confirms the apartment buildings will be simple and elegant and gives the heights as 250m, 220m and 107m

Revised Barangaroo South development plans display sizeable ambition
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Lend Lease' Barangaroo South managing director Andrew Wilson said the "elegant and simple"
250-metre, 220-metre and 107-metre apartment blocks were intended to compliment Mr Packer's 270-275 metre "diva on the harbour".

"It was very important for us that the Renzo Piano buildings, the One Sydney Harbour collection, really supported that [Crown building] rather than trying to compete with that," Mr Wilson said.

Mr Wilson said Lend Lease was hoping the concept plan would be approved "pre Christmas".

The three towers and Crown complex will also be subject to individual development applications, which have not yet been lodged.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 01:57 AM   #626
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So still no definite start dates yet?
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Old March 7th, 2015, 02:39 AM   #627
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Sounds like the Crown marketing machine is doing an amazing job. Hopefully they build an alter at which we can bow our heads and give thanks to the gods of philanthropy, James Packer and Lend Lease.
You can appreciate a great asset to our city without bowing to anyone or being Mother Teresa. Being rude or dripping of sarcasm isn't the way to make an argument stand.
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I like the more severe character of the apartment towers as it is a perfect foil for the more fanciful character of Crown Tower.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 05:32 AM   #629
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I like the more severe character of the apartment towers as it is a perfect foil for the more fanciful character of Crown Tower.
Same here, Sydney is following a more 'New York' type of more timeless designs atm.
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You can appreciate a great asset to our city without bowing to anyone or being Mother Teresa. Being rude or dripping of sarcasm isn't the way to make an argument stand.
Take another look at both the competition winning scheme and the original Lend Lease masterplan and you'll notice that they both feature a great deal more public space than the current plans with the casino. The developers aren't "giving" us anything, they're taking what they can (they don't own the land) to generate a profit.

The developers want to build the biggest building they can to maximise profits. The design of the building isn't a gift to the city, it's to maximise profits. So what happens if the government decides the building footprint should be smaller and there should be more public space? The developers will whinge for a bit, then build something smaller targeting the same market that requires the same good design and then make do with smaller profits, a few politicians get smaller kickbacks and the public get more space.

It wasn't until I took another look at the renders with the hotel on the pier(both versions) that I realised how much better that was. The casino looks so out of place now, and the masterplan lacks the clarity of vision it once had. What a shame.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 08:49 AM   #631
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I just love that greenery and open space to the left. Talk about uniformity and would you look at how long that row of trees stretches. The developers must have been listening to me or reading my posts
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we can see the positions of the 3 residential towers from the aerial





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in the article below LL confirms the apartment buildings will be simple and elegant and gives the heights as 250m, 220m and 107m

Revised Barangaroo South development plans display sizeable ambition
March 7, 2015 smh


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/revised-ba...06-13x9hx.html

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How utterly amazing is this render! Towers designed by Richard Rogers, Wilkinson Eyre and Renzo Piano. Only in a genuine, global city...
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Take another look at both the competition winning scheme and the original Lend Lease masterplan and you'll notice that they both feature a great deal more public space than the current plans with the casino. The developers aren't "giving" us anything, they're taking what they can (they don't own the land) to generate a profit.

The developers want to build the biggest building they can to maximise profits. The design of the building isn't a gift to the city, it's to maximise profits. So what happens if the government decides the building footprint should be smaller and there should be more public space? The developers will whinge for a bit, then build something smaller targeting the same market that requires the same good design and then make do with smaller profits, a few politicians get smaller kickbacks and the public get more space.

It wasn't until I took another look at the renders with the hotel on the pier(both versions) that I realised how much better that was. The casino looks so out of place now, and the masterplan lacks the clarity of vision it once had. What a shame.
I never liked the idea of the hotel on a pier, just more harbour infill. However, the old LL master plan with the deeper cove and low rise resi with promenade was gorgeous -- too bad they opted for such a radical change.

It also appears that the make-up of the C-series buildings is altered, so I wonder if they will be on hold until the changes are approved (or not). They've gone from four smaller buildings to two large ones which I think makes the whole site less permeable from the city side.
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the heights givem would be R;s, so take off3m. maybe the 2nd highest has come up in height?
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It seems like they will stick to those designs, and they are fine. The fact that apartments face either west or north west will ensure everyone gets a fab view of some sort.

The parklands look good though. Should appease those who want their open space.
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Old March 8th, 2015, 12:08 AM   #638
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They look amazing

I don't think the heights include the arch feature which looks ~265m or 10m lower than crown; however I don't think these will be final design but really hope they are I love glass boxes
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Wow. Very nice. Simple, no crazy bright facade that will be dated before it's built. Love it.
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Lend Lease is aiming for the apartments to have approval by Christmas

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Master architect Renzo Piano to unleash his magic on Barangaroo
THE AUSTRALIAN MARCH 07, 2015 12:00AM
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ONE of the world’s most prominent architects, Renzo Piano, will design three luxury apartment towers in Sydney’s Barangaroo, to be called One Sydney Harbour.

The Prtizker Prize winner was announced as the winner of a design competition for the landmark buildings yesterday, with the opulent units to sit across froms a planned $2 billion hotel and casino tower, which will be owned and operated by James Paker’s Crown Resorts.

The towers are expected to yield about 750 units, with the developer Lend Lease racing to get to the sales process to cash in on the residential boom in the city.

“A city development of three luxury residential high-rise towers in such a location is, in this climate, a rare opportunity,” Mr Piano said.

“Our vision is to design three buildings with a gentle presence in the cityscape and in dialogue with the harbour waters and Barangaroo waterfront.”

It will be Mr Piano’s second Australian project, after designing the Aurora Place office tower in 2000.

He was also behind landmark global projects such as The Shard London, The New York Times Building and the Jean-Marie Tjibaou Cultural Centre in New Caledonia.

The $9.8 billion Lend Lease is the developer of the $6bn commercial part of Barangaroo, called Barangaroo South, with Crown Resorts will own and operate a hotel and casino in the precinct.

Lend Lease belatedly submitted its planning modifications on the precinct this week, after finally ending a dispute with the NSW government that was holding up the project.

Lend Lease and the government-run Barangaroo Delivery Authority were at first involved in a legal dispute and then in settlement talks regarding the amount of profit the developer would share with the government from the development of the first two major office towers.

There were also negotiations between Crown, Lend Lease and the BDA regarding the planning of the precinct, after the NSW government rejected initial plans to build the hotel on a pier over the harbour

Lend Lease Barangaroo South managing director Andrew Wilson would not comment on the terms of the deal.

He would also not confirm the dispute has been resolved, although The Australian understands that it has been.

Crown Resorts was unable to apply for planning approvals of its tower until the dispute was resolved. The group began fresh talks with the NSW government yesterday to submit its proposal for a 270m tower — the second tallest in Sydney.

Mr Wilson said he hoped Lend Lease would have approvals finalised by Christmas, enabling the group to start selling the apartments.

“The residential market is very strong so it would be nice to be out there now but we are going to need to wait to go through a process before we can be,” Mr Wilson said.

“The Renzo name is already starting to attract offshore interest. So there is a lot of demand there. We just need to be able to follow the right process to get enough certainty until we go to market.”

He did not think application fees for foreign buyers would affect the offshore demand for sales.

The One Sydney Harbour apartments will be the second residential release at Barangaroo South.

The first 159 apartments, across two waterfront buildings, sold out within three-and-a-half hours of launch in August 2013.

Mr Wilson expects the One Sydney Harbour apartments to sell at a higher price than the first stage, where one-bedroom apartments sold for under $1 million, while three-bedroom apartments were more than $2m.

“I think it will depend on how strong the overseas market stays as well as how interest rates go, so it’s a bit hard to say. But at the moment our expectations would be that (prices will be) greater than our first phase release,” Mr Wilson said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...-1227251895040
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