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nebunul · March 22nd, 2007, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dewrob

@nebunul the land propriety issues have been perhaps the No1 obstacle for investments in MK. It's really chaotic, there are still denationalization issues, the kadastre is a mess, land disputes. The judicial system is too sluggish to solve the issues in a reasonable term. Add on that very soft expropriation laws and some peasant mentality. Perfect combination.

The same in RO ... so many projects got delayed because of it. Even the Bucharest historical centre (they’ve just started remedial works on the underground services without digging up - some new technology) ... but the area itself is a ruin now ... with homeless and gypsies living (squatters) in potentially million Euro properties

Anyway the motorway looks great and the fact that will be illuminated throughout its length ... Woowwww

BL · March 22nd, 2007, 12:49 PM

No but in YU most of the land was and is private owned, it was not like in bulgaria where all land was nationalized. And it makes harder to build anything coz there are so many owners and for some land they don´t even know who is owner or the owner is dead or he/she doesn´t live anymore in state etc.

BL · March 22nd, 2007, 12:49 PM

how much has been build?

Realek · March 22nd, 2007, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BL

how much has been build?

What do you mean? Length? I don't think I'm able to measure that. Roughly 30% is finished, 60% is under heavy construction and 10% still hasn't been touched yet, but I'm guessing they will start this spring or summer the latest. The deadline is nearing (a year and three months now), and they must start working on those untouched sections no matter that they are pretty short and on level terrain.

new bulgaria · March 22nd, 2007, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BL

No but in YU most of the land was and is private owned, it was not like in bulgaria where all land was nationalized. And it makes harder to build anything coz there are so many owners and for some land they don´t even know who is owner or the owner is dead or he/she doesn´t live anymore in state etc.

All land was returned years ago and disputed property rights have been resolved. This was one of the preconditions for joining the EU.

snupix · March 23rd, 2007, 01:04 AM

Why was Realek banned?

Dardani6 · March 23rd, 2007, 01:06 AM

oh crap i think he was really banned now. probably with fooling around with the 8ANNED thing. that sucks.

snupix · March 23rd, 2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dardani6

oh crap i think he was really banned now. probably with fooling around with the 8ANNED thing. that sucks.

You can get banned because of that?

Realek · March 23rd, 2007, 01:15 AM

No this time I followed 3tmk's advice to use cyrillic for B

Come on, I don't think they ban people for doing that

dewrob · March 23rd, 2007, 01:16 AM

ok I'm releifed now, I'm not the only one U fooled

snupix · March 23rd, 2007, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Realek

No this time I followed 3tmk's advice to use cyrillic for B

Come on, I don't think they ban people for doing that

LOL that was a good idea

Dardani6 · March 23rd, 2007, 01:26 AM

damn we all got punked.

BL · March 23rd, 2007, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Realek

What do you mean? Length? I don't think I'm able to measure that. Roughly 30% is finished, 60% is under heavy construction and 10% still hasn't been touched yet, but I'm guessing they will start this spring or summer the latest. The deadline is nearing (a year and three months now), and they must start working on those untouched sections no matter that they are pretty short and on level terrain.

thnx

BL · March 23rd, 2007, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by new bulgaria

All land was returned years ago and disputed property rights have been resolved. This was one of the preconditions for joining the EU.

so how did the state decide who got to get land?

MIMICA · March 23rd, 2007, 02:15 AM

@Realek: Ugh oh...people tried that a year ago and mods definitely got annoyed and confused, so they made a rule that if u use the cyrillic and write "Banned", they'll ban you for real. I'd change it back if I was you.

new bulgaria · March 23rd, 2007, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BL

so how did the state decide who got to get land?

It was returned to the original owners or their descendants. I got land in north central Bulgaria and some land close to Macedonia, which was expropriated from my great grand fathers.

My mom told me I am about to get 3 acres of woods in the mids of the Balkan mountains. How cool is that?

I will build my own Balkan kingdom and whip my slaves as hard as 3tmk does.

Dulgeroff · March 23rd, 2007, 03:14 AM

This generally happened during the early nineties. My family got its Burgas hospital back. It was owned by my great grandfather, a famous surgeon in the early 20th century. Unfortunately when the commies came they took everything he ever owned, and his relatives were put on a so-called black list. They were all deemed aristocrats/bourgeoisie because of the wealth they had accumulated from the 'evils' of capitalism. Anyway, the government still uses the hospital so they just have to pay my grandmother a hefty monthly rent.

dewrob · March 23rd, 2007, 03:36 AM

I don't know why BL is confused. Of course there was nationalization in Yugoslavia. And there was also denationalization in Macedonia. I think it has ended here a while ago but some cases are still dragged around the courts and disputed. However no new applications for denationalization are allowed I think. I might be wrong though.

People got back buildings, land or state issued bonds depending from the circumstances in each case.

new bulgaria · March 23rd, 2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dulgeroff

This generally happened during the early nineties. My family got its Burgas hospital back. It was owned by my great grandfather, a famous surgeon in the early 20th century. Unfortunately when the commies came they took everything he ever owned, and his relatives were put on a so-called black list. They were all deemed aristocrats/bourgeoisie because of the wealth they had accumulated from the 'evils' of capitalism. Anyway, the government still uses the hospital so they just have to pay my grandmother a hefty monthly rent.

You rich bastard!

new bulgaria · March 23rd, 2007, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dewrob

I don't know why BL is confused.

BL has been getting confused quite a lot lately. The Banja Luka air must not affect him that well.

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dewrob Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Skopje Posts: 3,673 Likes (Received): 2	I don't know why BL is confused. Of course there was nationalization in Yugoslavia. And there was also denationalization in Macedonia. I think it has ended here a while ago but some cases are still dragged around the courts and disputed. However no new applications for denationalization are allowed I think. I might be wrong though. People got back buildings, land or state issued bonds depending from the circumstances in each case. __________________ Visit Macedonia Construction Updates

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March 22nd, 2007, 12:49 PM	#42
BL BANNED Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Banja Luka Posts: 4,807 Likes (Received): 2	No but in YU most of the land was and is private owned, it was not like in bulgaria where all land was nationalized. And it makes harder to build anything coz there are so many owners and for some land they don´t even know who is owner or the owner is dead or he/she doesn´t live anymore in state etc.

March 23rd, 2007, 01:06 AM	#47
Dardani6 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shkodër, Albania Posts: 719 Likes (Received): 0	oh crap i think he was really banned now. probably with fooling around with the 8ANNED thing. that sucks.

March 23rd, 2007, 01:15 AM	#49
Realek BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Skopje, Macedonia Posts: 2,240 Likes (Received): 2	No this time I followed 3tmk's advice to use cyrillic for B Come on, I don't think they ban people for doing that

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Dardani6 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Shkodër, Albania Posts: 719 Likes (Received): 0	damn we all got punked.

March 23rd, 2007, 02:15 AM	#55
MIMICA Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,098 Likes (Received): 0	@Realek: Ugh oh...people tried that a year ago and mods definitely got annoyed and confused, so they made a rule that if u use the cyrillic and write "Banned", they'll ban you for real. I'd change it back if I was you.

March 23rd, 2007, 03:14 AM	#57
Dulgeroff BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 989 Likes (Received): 0	This generally happened during the early nineties. My family got its Burgas hospital back. It was owned by my great grandfather, a famous surgeon in the early 20th century. Unfortunately when the commies came they took everything he ever owned, and his relatives were put on a so-called black list. They were all deemed aristocrats/bourgeoisie because of the wealth they had accumulated from the 'evils' of capitalism. Anyway, the government still uses the hospital so they just have to pay my grandmother a hefty monthly rent.