Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers

eXSBass · April 29th, 2007, 10:23 PM

I was reading the Barracks and found different pieces of information in different threads of our future super carriers. Being such a huge project for the defence of the UK I figured it'd be better creating a new thread just for the two.

Here is the proposed design. There are many images floating about but i'm hoping other people would post those.

There will be two ships of the class, HMS Queen Elizabeth and the HMS Prince of Wales.

I am not fond of both names. I'd rather they had something along the lines of the HMS Dreadnaught and the HMS Nemesis. Something beefy like the Invincible class of ships, HMS Illustrious, HMS Invincible and HMS Ark Royal.

Anyway, if you have any news, might as well post it in here!

The Hunted · April 29th, 2007, 10:26 PM

I wish there was some news to post.

AXISPAW · April 29th, 2007, 11:51 PM

these ships have been given the go ahead! each will be 65 000tons and carry around 50aircraft. will be commisioned in 2012 and 2014

JackSwan · April 30th, 2007, 12:07 AM

they definitely won't be commissioned in 2012/15. those were the original dates anticipated when construction was due to begin in 2005, it's now 2007 and the final designs have not yet been finalised.

The Hunted · April 30th, 2007, 01:17 AM

^They might have decided to give them approval by 2012!

FutureImperfect · April 30th, 2007, 02:11 AM

How one would look in Portsmouth:

How they compare to other carriers (you could fit two Invincibles on the new flight deck):

hellolazyness · April 30th, 2007, 02:14 AM

There are so many different designs..does anyone know which one is the definitive final version? Or isn't there on?

FutureImperfect · April 30th, 2007, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hellolazyness

There are so many different designs..does anyone know which one is the definitive final version? Or isn't there on?

They considered a large superstructure/minimal flight deck/maximum internal hanger layout, they also considered a small superstructure/maximum flight deck/minimal internal hanger layout....I believe they finally settled for the Thalys design you see above with the split superstructure/minimal flight deck/maximum internal hanger.

blahblah · April 30th, 2007, 09:12 AM

Must admt. I'm not a big fan of the names myself.

Firstly, it means that there will be two british registered ships called Queen Elizabeth 2. Unless Cunard are planning to scrap their liner?

Does anybody know why they chose not to use the Ark Royal Name?

nezzybaby · April 30th, 2007, 09:44 AM

ark royal will be used again, its not unusual for a name to be used frrequently, but they rarely replace name for name.

Besides could be a lot worse you seen the name of the latest nimitz class
ss George H. W Bush

sjwmoore · April 30th, 2007, 10:27 AM

Ark Royal was originally to have been called "Indomitable" or something to keep with the "In" prefixes. The scrapping of the previous AR in about 1980 allowed the name to be reused when the new ship entered sevice some years later, so it was changed.

I dont know whether the QE2 is prefixed "MV" or "RMS" but this would distinguish it from "HMS QE2"

In a recent post Zim Flyer reckons we should be due a construction announcement soon as a sweetner to voters, no doubt with a fair bit of sub contractor work going to Scotland.

AXISPAW · April 30th, 2007, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackSwan

they definitely won't be commissioned in 2012/15. those were the original dates anticipated when construction was due to begin in 2005, it's now 2007 and the final designs have not yet been finalised.

no, they have always said constuction to start 2008, commisioned 2012. since 1999, there has never been a 2005 start date. and although the exact specifications havent been finalised, they are almost complete. the picture that has been posted is the design they are going for and any incomplete specifications will be things we wont see.

TallBox · April 30th, 2007, 11:49 AM

they also said 12 T45 and 18 MR4A!

FutureImperfect · April 30th, 2007, 01:04 PM

It's not going to be the QE2, just the QE.

And the current Ark is reportedly going to be in use for many years yet, even after the new carriers have been launched, as a Commando/helo carrier so you can't use that name yet.

There have been grumblings within the RN over ship names, as they also wanted to go back to the old Redoubt, Vengeful or Tempest type names instead of the current city names or (cringe) HMS Speedy.

Monkey · April 30th, 2007, 02:14 PM

I reckon we should call them HMS Falklands and HMS Gibralter.

The Hunted · April 30th, 2007, 02:56 PM

^Gibraltar.
I would like them to be called H.M.S Dreadnought and H.M.S Redoubt (If they are ever commissioned).

Zim Flyer · April 30th, 2007, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjwmoore

In a recent post Zim Flyer reckons we should be due a construction announcement soon as a sweetner to voters, no doubt with a fair bit of sub contractor work going to Scotland.

it seems due to an electoral law they can't confirm the order before the election in Scotland, so instead it is being released to the rumour mill that the order is imminent and like you say Scottish yards will get most of the work.

I've heard from a very good source this project is definately going to happen.

My gut feeling is we will hear about it in Gordon Brown's first 100 days, when all sorts of new and grande projects will be announced.

Manchester Planner · April 30th, 2007, 04:55 PM

Great, a political tool for Gordon "I'll spin my way through the next 4 years" "Fuck it" Brown - it's not a new project and has been around for years. It almost seems that it's been delayed continuously just for Gordon "Navy? What navy?!" Brown...

eXSBass · April 30th, 2007, 07:16 PM

I like these names:

Reliant
Nemesis
Illustrious
Invincible
Dreadnaught
Enterprise (It's a bit Americany, but the first ever version was the HMS Enterprize. Perhaps we could have her back from the Americans? MMmm, HMS Enterprize)
Equinox
Equilibrium
Indomitable

andysimo123 · April 30th, 2007, 07:21 PM

They should call one HMS Late and the other HMS still not completed.

April 29th, 2007, 10:23 PM	#1
eXSBass Tea. Earl grey. Hot. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 2,526 Likes (Received): 25	Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers I was reading the Barracks and found different pieces of information in different threads of our future super carriers. Being such a huge project for the defence of the UK I figured it'd be better creating a new thread just for the two. Here is the proposed design. There are many images floating about but i'm hoping other people would post those. There will be two ships of the class, HMS Queen Elizabeth and the HMS Prince of Wales. I am not fond of both names. I'd rather they had something along the lines of the HMS Dreadnaught and the HMS Nemesis. Something beefy like the Invincible class of ships, HMS Illustrious, HMS Invincible and HMS Ark Royal. Anyway, if you have any news, might as well post it in here! __________________ The world is my oyster. Last edited by eXSBass; April 29th, 2007 at 10:25 PM. Reason: Crap title.

April 30th, 2007, 01:17 AM	#5
The Hunted Nose jizz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 1,988 Likes (Received): 0	^They might have decided to give them approval by 2012! Last edited by The Hunted; April 30th, 2007 at 02:25 AM.

April 30th, 2007, 09:12 AM	#9
blahblah Change is Here! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Greater Birmingham Posts: 3,714 Likes (Received): 0	Must admt. I'm not a big fan of the names myself. Firstly, it means that there will be two british registered ships called Queen Elizabeth 2. Unless Cunard are planning to scrap their liner? Does anybody know why they chose not to use the Ark Royal Name? __________________ I yam. Therefore I am.

April 30th, 2007, 07:16 PM	#19
eXSBass Tea. Earl grey. Hot. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 2,526 Likes (Received): 25	I like these names: Reliant Nemesis Illustrious Invincible Dreadnaught Enterprise (It's a bit Americany, but the first ever version was the HMS Enterprize. Perhaps we could have her back from the Americans? MMmm, HMS Enterprize) Equinox Equilibrium Indomitable __________________ The world is my oyster.

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April 29th, 2007, 10:26 PM	#2
The Hunted Nose jizz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 1,988 Likes (Received): 0	I wish there was some news to post.

April 29th, 2007, 11:51 PM	#3
AXISPAW Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aberdeen Posts: 835 Likes (Received): 5	these ships have been given the go ahead! each will be 65 000tons and carry around 50aircraft. will be commisioned in 2012 and 2014

April 30th, 2007, 12:07 AM	#4
JackSwan click click Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Suffolk, England Posts: 7,900 Likes (Received): 96	they definitely won't be commissioned in 2012/15. those were the original dates anticipated when construction was due to begin in 2005, it's now 2007 and the final designs have not yet been finalised.

April 30th, 2007, 02:11 AM	#6
FutureImperfect Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 139 Likes (Received): 0	How one would look in Portsmouth: How they compare to other carriers (you could fit two Invincibles on the new flight deck):

April 30th, 2007, 02:14 AM	#7
hellolazyness Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: London Posts: 1,593 Likes (Received): 0	There are so many different designs..does anyone know which one is the definitive final version? Or isn't there on?

April 30th, 2007, 09:44 AM	#10
nezzybaby My Arse is Grass! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bristol Posts: 8,233 Likes (Received): 59	ark royal will be used again, its not unusual for a name to be used frrequently, but they rarely replace name for name. Besides could be a lot worse you seen the name of the latest nimitz class ss George H. W Bush

April 30th, 2007, 10:27 AM	#11
sjwmoore sjwmoore Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrington Posts: 1,381 Likes (Received): 0	Ark Royal was originally to have been called "Indomitable" or something to keep with the "In" prefixes. The scrapping of the previous AR in about 1980 allowed the name to be reused when the new ship entered sevice some years later, so it was changed. I dont know whether the QE2 is prefixed "MV" or "RMS" but this would distinguish it from "HMS QE2" In a recent post Zim Flyer reckons we should be due a construction announcement soon as a sweetner to voters, no doubt with a fair bit of sub contractor work going to Scotland.

April 30th, 2007, 11:49 AM	#13
TallBox Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 2,604 Likes (Received): 18	they also said 12 T45 and 18 MR4A!

April 30th, 2007, 01:04 PM	#14
FutureImperfect Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 139 Likes (Received): 0	It's not going to be the QE2, just the QE. And the current Ark is reportedly going to be in use for many years yet, even after the new carriers have been launched, as a Commando/helo carrier so you can't use that name yet. There have been grumblings within the RN over ship names, as they also wanted to go back to the old Redoubt, Vengeful or Tempest type names instead of the current city names or (cringe) HMS Speedy.

April 30th, 2007, 02:14 PM	#15
Monkey Londinium langur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Londinium Posts: 14,616 Likes (Received): 1	I reckon we should call them HMS Falklands and HMS Gibralter.

April 30th, 2007, 02:56 PM	#16
The Hunted Nose jizz Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Surrey, England Posts: 1,988 Likes (Received): 0	^Gibraltar. I would like them to be called H.M.S Dreadnought and H.M.S Redoubt (If they are ever commissioned).

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Manchester Planner Chief Bureaucrat Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,848 Likes (Received): 1	Great, a political tool for Gordon "I'll spin my way through the next 4 years" "Fuck it" Brown - it's not a new project and has been around for years. It almost seems that it's been delayed continuously just for Gordon "Navy? What navy?!" Brown...

April 30th, 2007, 07:21 PM	#20
andysimo123 wind-up merchant Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,877 Likes (Received): 8	They should call one HMS Late and the other HMS still not completed.