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Old September 20th, 2016, 01:04 AM   #481
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Yeah but as a normal passerby who hasn't read the design statement, I'm just gonna walk past and be like "that looks a bit tattered."
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Old September 20th, 2016, 09:40 AM   #482
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Yeah but as a normal passerby who hasn't read the design statement, I'm just gonna walk past and be like "that looks a bit tattered."
Agreed.

Look at it in the render, and now imagine it in Manchester's actual streets, where the roads are full of potholes, the rail arches have forests of weeds growing out of them, and the neighbouring canals are full of rubbish and litter.

Now we know why, thanks to this design. Next thing the council will want to claim all their lack of maintenance is part of a new design brief we should read

Manchester has a great opportunity here to have something really special. Building some stupid old pile of shacks in the center of the city and claim it is a design masterpiece as long as anyone walking past is forced to read the design statement propaganda doesn't cut it.
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Old September 20th, 2016, 01:05 PM   #483
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Agreed.

Look at it in the render, and now imagine it in Manchester's actual streets, where the roads are full of potholes, the rail arches have forests of weeds growing out of them, and the neighbouring canals are full of rubbish and litter.

Now we know why, thanks to this design. Next thing the council will want to claim all their lack of maintenance is part of a new design brief we should read

Manchester has a great opportunity here to have something really special. Building some stupid old pile of shacks in the center of the city and claim it is a design masterpiece as long as anyone walking past is forced to read the design statement propaganda doesn't cut it.
Could be [another] Tadao Ando moment. I can understand the discussion/philosophy behind it, but (as Justme points out above) it's the wrong time and place for this type of building. I'm not even 0.5% convinced this will work.
It's 'industrial rear service entrance pron' for me.
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Old September 22nd, 2016, 08:23 PM   #484
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A bigger cgi.

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Old September 22nd, 2016, 08:41 PM   #485
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As long as the finish is good, I'd be happy with something like that.
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Old September 22nd, 2016, 09:25 PM   #486
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Well, that one looks better than the trashy, rusted shed.
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Old September 22nd, 2016, 10:32 PM   #487
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Looks a mess. Sorry.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 12:14 AM   #488
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The towers are meant to echo Manchester's industrial heritage, and to compliment , fit in with, and mirror the surrounding buildings and area.

The bubble material will be made of double white membrane, inside and out.

Why don't they mirror John Rylands, the town hall or the old co op buildings? No one wants to look in a mirror at their warts.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 12:32 AM   #489
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Why don't they mirror John Rylands, the town hall or the old co op buildings? No one wants to look in a mirror at their warts.
I for one am proud of our industrial history.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 03:01 AM   #490
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I for one am proud of our industrial history.

So am I, but this is not a industrial building its a arts venue. A cliched, pretentious one at that. It's looks like a favela and the imperial war museum had a child. Can someone tell architects that the colliding abstract shapes model for all new arts venues isn't as interesting or clever as they appear to think. :Rant over:
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 08:23 AM   #491
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Why don't they mirror John Rylands, the town hall or the old co op buildings? No one wants to look in a mirror at their warts.
Perhaps you should have attended the publuc exhibition and asked one of the Architects who was there. I'm sure he or she would have explained why.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 09:33 AM   #492
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I for one am proud of our industrial history.
I love industrial history and Manchester has some fantastic examples of where this has been cherished and looking great. It is also better when it is actually history being cherished and not building a rusty shed and pawning it off as industrial history.

This is just ugly.

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Perhaps you should have attended the publuc exhibition and asked one of the Architects who was there. I'm sure he or she would have explained why.
And that is another reason why it is so wrong. There are plenty of great examples where difficult-to-appreciate architecture benefits from an understanding, but this really is just a pile of ugly sheds stacked on top of each other (and I believe a tunnel which has always failed in urban attempts) that no one will care about trying to understand. If they want historical appreciation of industry, they'll pop around the corner to Castlefield and see the lovely converted warehouses and spectacular railway viaducts and bridges.

Here, they will just see a pile of ugly rusted sheds.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 12:44 PM   #493
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My enthusiasm for this is waning by the day, which is a real shame as we are in such a lucky position to have such a venue gifted.
Aside from those daft 'industo-chic mood board' towers, that latest main building render is barely wafting the embers. Bless my kids, but it's akin to something they'd bring home from school which (after an hour) would be safely stored in the 'arts and carfts bin' outside.

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Old September 23rd, 2016, 01:27 PM   #494
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I am keeping the faith... Some similarities in terms of shape and juxtaposition with this OMA beauty in Berlin (don't know if it was actually built, but even so...)

http://oma.eu/projects/haus-um-die-schenkung
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 07:46 PM   #495
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Perhaps you should have attended the publuc exhibition and asked one of the Architects who was there. I'm sure he or she would have explained why.

I wish I did. Though I am of the opinion that a good building speaks for itself. If you have to explain it. It's probably not great.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 07:51 PM   #496
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I wish I did. Though I am of the opinion that a good building speaks for itself. If you have to explain it. It's probably not great.
I didn't explain it.

It's what I was told. Hence why I post as much as I'm told and can remember on SSC, every time I go to these public exhibitions.

There's another public exhibition next Thursday. St John's. See you there. It just takes a bit effort. And £4 in parking charges.(3 hours) Which gives me time to take some Picture's, and to enjoy a drink in the city centre. I'm easily pleased.
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Old September 23rd, 2016, 08:06 PM   #497
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I guess we'll see when/if it gets built, I for one still have confidence in it (although I can see where some of you are coming from).
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Old September 25th, 2016, 01:35 PM   #498
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I think it looks great. It's completely out there which I think is a good thing. Architecture in the UK is often far too safe. This is the type of building that you would see in major cities across the world. Have some faith.
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Old September 25th, 2016, 07:57 PM   #499
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Those concrete pillars and the white wrap somewhat concern me.

If the maintenance wasn't obsessive they could go very wrong very quickly.
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Old October 8th, 2016, 06:19 PM   #500
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I love the negativity on this thread so I'll let you all feast off this image and return once it starts construction.

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