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Old June 17th, 2007, 08:42 PM   #41
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So were we. On the other hand, we don't have a shortage of historic towns.
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Nor do we ... Take Transilvania for example
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Old June 17th, 2007, 08:48 PM   #42
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Nor do we ... Take Transilvania for example
But why are 90% of them in Transylvania, and not in other parts of Romania?

The population of Transylvania (even if you include minorities) was always smaller than all other historical regions in Romania (Wallachia and Moldavia, individually).

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Old June 17th, 2007, 08:55 PM   #43
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Then why are the number of medieval centers outside of Transylvannia so small? Dacians inhabited those parts, too.

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Dacians had their capital in Transilvania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmizegetusa
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Old June 17th, 2007, 08:58 PM   #44
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But why are 90% of them in Transylvania, and not in other parts of Romania?

The population of Transylvania (even if you include minorities) was always smaller than all other historical regions in Romania (Wallachia and Moldavia, individually).

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Old June 17th, 2007, 09:02 PM   #45
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Dacians had their capital in Transilvania
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmizegetusa
Sarmizegetusa looks alright.

It still does not prove your point. You claim that cities like Brassov, Sibiu, Cluj, and Oradea were built primarily by Romanians rather than other ethnic groups (Germans, Hungarians, or even Serbs).

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Old June 17th, 2007, 09:05 PM   #46
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Sarmizegetusa looks alright.

It still does not prove your point. You claim that cities like Brassov, Sibiu, Cluj, and Oradea were built primarily by Romanians rather than other ethnic groups (Germans, Hungarians).

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I claim that before germans (and after germans, hungarians) they were dacian/roman (nowadays romanians) settlements
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I claim that before germans (and after germans hungarians) they were dacian/roman (nowadays romanians) settlements
That is a valid claim, even though the number of Dacian ruins pale in comparison to the number of cities/towns (not counting ruins) left by other ethnic groups.

I don't mind if you inhabit/use other buildings built by other ethnicities, at least admit they were built by them.

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Old June 17th, 2007, 09:22 PM   #48
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That is a valid claim, even though the number of Dacian ruins pale in comparison to the number of cities/towns (not counting ruins) left by other ethnic groups.

I don't mind if you inhabit/use other buildings built by other ethnicities, at least admit they were built by them.

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I admit (all Romanians do) that Germans, Austrians and Hungarians have had a great cultural contribution to Romania. I admit also that under their rule were built the best and most beautiful buildings in Transilvania.

I can not admit (all Romanians do not) that Transilvania was not captured/occupied but found empty as some hungarian historians wrongly claim
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I admit (all Romanians do) that Germans, Austrians and Hungarians have had a great cultural contribution to Romania. I admit also that under their rule were built the best and most beautiful buildings in Transilvania.
I agree.

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I can not admit (all Romanians do not) that Transilvania was not captured/occupied but found empty as some hungarian historians wrongly claim
I agree.

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Old June 17th, 2007, 09:40 PM   #50
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Sarmizegetusa looks alright.

It still does not prove your point. You claim that cities like Brassov, Sibiu, Cluj, and Oradea were built primarily by Romanians rather than other ethnic groups (Germans, Hungarians, or even Serbs).

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Serbs in Transylvania?? Do you know something about that?
Many Serbs took refuge in Transylvania after the disaster of the Banat uprising against Turks in 1594 but they eventualy returned in Banat, maybe some of them stayed in Transylvania but they got assimilated very fast..

Only if you're considering Timisoara and Arad as part of Trasylvania, but it's Banat...
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I don't know much about Serbs in Transylvania proper, but many modern-day interpretations of the extent of Transylvania tend to include other historic areas as well.



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Hungarians build cities like nobody else in CE.
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Old June 17th, 2007, 09:52 PM   #53
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I don't know much about Serbs in Transylvania proper, but many modern-day interpretations of the extent of Transylvania tend to include other historic areas as well.



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Yes, I see but it's a wrong interpretation...
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Yes, I see but it's a wrong interpretation...
Shifts in borders often change our interpretations. That's why a borderless Europe can make things so much easier.

To tell you the truth, I don't know which one is the "right" interpretation, so I will stick to the one used today, for the sake of convenience.

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Old June 17th, 2007, 10:12 PM   #55
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They should have used that map when dividing Romania into development regions, instead of this one:



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about the build of Transilvania

Germans, Austrians and Hungarians have had a great cultural contribution to Romania but Romanians were the slaves....
So we are able to claim that cities like Brassov, Sibiu, Cluj, and Oradea were built by Romanians rather than other ethnic groups (Germans, Hungarians, or even Serbs).
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Can't we all just get along? How come I got hungarian friends here in the US and we get along perfect it's like we were made for eachother and here we just eat one another, anyway here is something to calm you all down http://*****************/jessica.html
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Old June 21st, 2007, 02:30 PM   #60
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