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Old February 26th, 2017, 06:38 PM   #701
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The new runway will potentially give you London with one stop at Perth with the new Qantas service (if you are a masochist).
Will Qantas be trying to make a bit of a mini-hub out of that route, and a couple of others?

WLG/CHC and maybe ADL/MEL/HBA/ASP even?

I don't think it's hideous if you're not in economy. The market will tell us I guess. Bet EK aren't over the moon.
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Old February 27th, 2017, 12:44 AM   #702
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Currently Qantas say they do not want an extension.
However they will be in an excellent position if the new runway does go ahead and wants to take advantage.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 01:06 AM   #703
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Not good news for an extension:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...cid=app-iPhone
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Old February 28th, 2017, 01:32 AM   #704
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And not good news for any poor bugger at the end of the current runway if some Airbus pilot stuffs up and overruns the runway
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Old February 28th, 2017, 06:49 AM   #705
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As the article says probably just a speed bump, if not then this has application beyond just Wellington too. Any airport wanting to extend its runway even by just a few hundred meters might require a 240 RESA if they choose to go that way...

Although as the article also says there are arrester surfaces that can be placed at either runway end and 100 meters of this stuff could be more effective at slowing a speeding aircraft than a 240m RESA anyway.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 07:08 AM   #706
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EMAS systems can be effective stopping overruns but cannot be used as starter extensions. It certainly will not be a problem beyond NZ as our Aussie friends generally have 90 metres except for some bigger airports. Only Melbourne has a 240 metre RESA on all (both) runways. Needless to say all runways similar to the proposed Wellington extension have 90 metre RESAs. Maybe Aussie has better pilots?
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Old February 28th, 2017, 10:38 AM   #707
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EMAS systems can be effective stopping overruns but cannot be used as starter extensions.
Right, which means they must be built at both ends of the runway so would pretty much the equivaent of a 240m RESA anyway.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 03:28 PM   #708
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RESA's can be more or less effective as well. CHC has a 60 metre safety zone plus a 240 metre RESA but these are grass. Wellington has the 60 metre zone plus 90 metre RESA but it is sealed. Did you ever have a rugby scrum on the 5 metre line on a wet surface? Christchurch has the longer distance but it has less effective stopping power. Add to that it operates larger B747 and A380 aircraft and frankly it could be a problem. Unfortunately legal beagles do not get simple concepts.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 12:45 AM   #709
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http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZCA/2017/27.html

The judgement. Doesn't really explain why Aussie or other airports around the world can have 90 metre RESA's especially why Sydney for instance can do so even if is operating larger aircraft.
Wellington's new runway operating smaller, lighter aircraft will need a longer RESA! Go figure?
As to obstacles Sydney has water at three runway ends, built up areas for two, and a 4 lane highway at the last.
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Old March 2nd, 2017, 09:42 PM   #710
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https://environmentcourt.govt.nz/ass...March-2017.pdf

Another attempt at stalling the process
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Old March 6th, 2017, 02:29 AM   #711
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https://environmentcourt.govt.nz/ass...March-2017.pdf

Another attempt at stalling the process
The Airport Company are now calling for halt in hearings until they hear back from Supreme court on RESA Appeal possibility (Mid-april at the earliest)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/9010...ring-timetable

UPDATE: The Judge said no, original case to go ahead on March 23
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...runway-hearing

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Old March 6th, 2017, 07:15 AM   #712
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If the new runway is not built and an A320 or B737 overruns the runway killing 150 people we will all know who is responsible
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Old March 8th, 2017, 11:51 PM   #713
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WIAL stated they had no plan B but in fact one could exist. The original master plan called for a 600 metre extension 500 to the south and 100 to the north.2 sets of plans were drawn up for 350 metre extensions north and south. All that needs to be done is accept the 240 metre RESA and go ahead with the current extension and once completed extend the runway by between 150 metres to 350 metres to the north using the plans already drawn up. By this time more funding should be available. Changing a RESA is just a case of painting lines and requires no change to the actual runway construction.
The current extension would not permit flights to Singapore but would enable fully loaded wide body aircraft from Australia which would encourage competition from EFFICIENT overseas airlines. The second 350 metre extension would enable direct flights anywhere in Asia or North America. Ideally the runway should be extended to 3050 metres planned back in the seventies.
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Old March 15th, 2017, 12:48 AM   #714
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/9...-to-go-on-sale

One stop to London possible-if they build the extension
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Old March 15th, 2017, 04:20 AM   #715
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Also Qantas would have to start Perth to Wellington service which is highly likely.
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Old March 15th, 2017, 06:23 AM   #716
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Qantas have said they do not want to start additional wide bodied services but if they lost too much traffic to Singapore Airlines or other new entrants anything is possible. I would certainly be interested as I have never been to Perth and dislike farting around changing planes.
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Old March 21st, 2017, 07:08 AM   #717
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https://environmentcourt.govt.nz/ass...L-21.03.17.pdf

Whilst WIAL is committed to the Runway Extension it does not consider it
is appropriate for the Court to hear and determine the proceedings at this
stage pursuant to section 272(1) of the Resource Management Act 1991
(Act)
for the following reasons:
(a)
The Runway Extension Application(Application)includes a 90 metre Runway Extension Safety Area
(RESA).
There are a number of possible outcomes from the Appeal Proceedings including that
the Application is required to be:
(i)
amended so that more or all of the proposed extension is
dedicated to RESA; or
(ii)
put on hold to include a further application for a longer
runway extension; or
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abandoned; or
(iv)
continued in accordance with the current application if the Supreme Court allows the appeal and reinstates the High Court decision.

I like the bit about the longer runway extension!
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Old March 23rd, 2017, 01:39 AM   #718
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Getting interesting now. I thought this might happen
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/9075...ing-operations

Does not affect me too much as I drive and/or take the ferry unless Qantas have a service
I wish NZ could attract an airline like the US South West to show what a real airline could do in NZ
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Old March 24th, 2017, 03:58 PM   #719
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Crazy stuff but if it leads to the longer runway (both for safety and commercial expansion) then great. Not if the extension eats up the usable length though for RESA! Hopefully both can improve.

Not sure about WLG-PER demand, but who knows. Perhaps a tag-on from the CHC flight? PER may well in time become a bit more of a hub for Qantas headed to Asia and Europe. Places like CHC, WLG, ADL and maybe CBR/HBA might benefit.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 11:06 PM   #720
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Or it could wind up with no extension at all. The problem is it appears the Appeal Court has stated that the highest standard (240 metre) must apply in NZ but did not limit this to new extensions implying that all existing International airports would be affected as well. Wellingtons landing distance would reduce to 1515 metres which would make Airbus and Boeing operations impossible on a wet runway if there is no extension.
Some NZALPA Airbus pilots may soon have to start looking for new jobs overseas! ....Sad......
(I'm sure everything will be clarified in the next exciting installment of Soap.....Wellington Airport anyway.)
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