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Old December 20th, 2017, 09:27 PM   #3941
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Which standard gauge services will use which Antequera station? A bit weird that there are two in a small town.
Probably Madrid - Granada, Seville - Granada and Málaga - Granada will use the new station (Antequera Ciudad), while Madrid - Málaga and Seville - Málaga will continue using the existing station (Antequera-Sta. Ana).

Technically speaking Madrid - Granada and Seville - Granada could use both stations, but it makes more sense just to stop in the new one, which is more centrally located.

It's not that weird to have two stations there if you look at how this junction is designed, where lines in 5 different directions converge.
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Old December 21st, 2017, 02:13 PM   #3942
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So what is the current time estimation for Barcelona Valencia, end of 2019?

And the fastest speed will be 2hr 20?

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Old January 3rd, 2018, 11:39 AM   #3943
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Hey

What new High-Speed-Rail (or upgraded Rail) has opened in 2017 in Spain?
Will there be any opening of new railway in 2018?

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Old January 3rd, 2018, 12:43 PM   #3944
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Neither in 2017 nor in 2016. For 2018 they announce:

-Valencia-Castellón: no date, it will surely be in one or two months. In tests since 03/20/2017. Will win half an hour from Madrid (from 2 h 52 m to 2 h 25 m average speed: 191 km/h), the same time as now from Valencia. It is only to put mixed gauge in one of the tracks so that trains of fixed standard gauge can circulate.

-Antequera-Granada: "end of works" in November 2017 and, according to the minister, in service in March 2018. Madrid-Granada from 4 h 25 m to 2 h 58 m (190 km/h average speed). I can not believe that time.

-LAV Madrid-Barcelona (near Camp de Tarragona) / Vilaseca-Vandellós: "end of works" in December 2017 and, according to the minister, in service in May 2018. Barcelona-Valencia: from 3 h 12 m to 2 h 40 m (137 km/h).

-Knot of Monforte del Cid-Murcia: end of works in the first quarter of 2018. According to the minister in May 2018 will enter into service. Madrid-Murcia: from 4 h 9 m to 2 h 25 m (218 km/h).

-Chamartín-Torrejón de Velasco: in service in 2018. Pass trains through Madrid: announced a profit of 30 m.

-Knot of Venta de Baños (Palencia)-Burgos: end of the works in 2018. Madrid-Burgos: from 2 h 18 m to 1 h 35 m (192 km/h).

-Zamora-Pedralba: end of the works in 2018. Madrid-Coruña: from 5 h 33 m to 5 h (126 km/h).


These two last ones will not be able to enter service in 2018 although the minister says it.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 08:52 PM   #3945
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-Antequera-Granada: "end of works" in November 2017 and, according to the minister, in service in March 2018. Madrid-Granada from 4 h 25 m to 2 h 58 m (190 km/h average speed). I can not believe that time.
You can't believe the travel time or the start of service in March?

Also how about improvements in travel time for Sevilla-Granada and Malaga-Granada?
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 09:28 PM   #3946
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March 2018? No. The rest of the ads either.
Valencia-Castellón is my own prognosis.

Seville-Granada from 3:10 to 2:09 (161 kmh)
Málaga-Granada from 2:10 (with transhipment) to 1:0? (16? kmh)
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Old January 4th, 2018, 04:11 PM   #3947
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And Barcelona to Granada in 5 hours?
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Old January 4th, 2018, 04:39 PM   #3948
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Five hours only?

Less time than to Seville?
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Old January 4th, 2018, 05:23 PM   #3949
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And Barcelona to Granada in 5 hours?
That's not possible. Currently, Barcelona to Antequera Sta. Ana already takes 5h 27m.

Barcelona to Granada should therefore take more than 6 hours, unless they decide to run non-stop services (which is highly unlikely).
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Old January 4th, 2018, 05:42 PM   #3950
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And Barcelona to Granada in 5 hours?
The minister announced 5 hours less than the Tren Hotel, that is: 6 hours 20 minutes.
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Old January 4th, 2018, 08:50 PM   #3951
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Bilbao Abando station will be completely rebuilt and put underground for the arrival of HSR in 2023 (that's when the Basque Y is supposed to be completed). The station will have 2 underground levels:

On level -1 there will be 5 Iberian gauge and 3 narrow gauge tracks for commuter rail services. That should be ready between 2024 and 2027.

On level -2 there will be 8 standard gauge tracks for high speed rail (both regional and long-distance services). That should be ready by 2023.

Here you can see how it will look like (cross-posting from the Basque sub-forum):

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Old January 4th, 2018, 11:26 PM   #3952
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That will be really expensive. What is the expected price?
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Old January 5th, 2018, 01:18 AM   #3953
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Do not know, but if allow to built skyscrapers atop, maybe incomings are enough to build it.

It is quite used in Spain that wat
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Old January 5th, 2018, 01:06 PM   #3954
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isn't that how Barcelona Sagrera HSR station was meant to be financed? the works have been abandoned for many years now because the revenues from the real estate sales couldn't cover the construction costs. Is there any update on its progress?
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isn't that how Barcelona Sagrera HSR station was meant to be financed? the works have been abandoned for many years now because the revenues from the real estate sales couldn't cover the construction costs. Is there any update on its progress?
True!

All stopped by the crisis.

Sagrera station had to be ready in 2012, but works are very slow now, maybe for 2025...
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Old January 5th, 2018, 07:45 PM   #3956
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Archaeological remains were found and there were many problems with a water collector, apart from judicial problems.

Surely someone can explain it better than me.
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Old January 5th, 2018, 09:20 PM   #3957
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Works on that new water collector were started last June. Once they're done with it they will be able to resume the construction of the actual station.

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Old January 5th, 2018, 10:33 PM   #3958
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How many AVE trains per hour/day will Bilbao get once the lines are finished? 8 platforms seems quite a lot...
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Old January 6th, 2018, 12:14 AM   #3959
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Probably there will be more Avant trains (regional high speed services) than proper AVE trains.

For the first time Bilbao will have a good railway connection with Vitoria and San Sebastián, so it’s quite likely that there will be hourly services between the 3 Basque cities during most parts of the day.

Regarding long-distance high speed services, we can expect AVE trains to Madrid, TGV trains to Bordeaux or even Paris, and AVE or Alvia to Barcelona (depending on the completion of the HSL Zaragoza - Pamplona / Logroño - Vitoria). The station should be prepared as well for a future HSL Bilbao - Santander, let’s not forget it.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 02:03 AM   #3960
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Thanks, so that would 4 or 5 departures an hour at most? At least it won't need to be expanded again for a very long time
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