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Old September 6th, 2007, 02:52 AM   #1401
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Oh, so some consider Filipinos not merely Asians or Pacific Islanders? Were on a class of our own! I guess it holds true that the mixture of a lot of ethnicities = Filipino.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 05:02 AM   #1402
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i had an application form for work where filipinos were separate classification ;lol: soon they will specify --bisaya only, tagalog only, waray only
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Old September 6th, 2007, 08:26 AM   #1403
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Akala ko, part na sila ng Midde East Asia...
I always thought Pakistanis, Indians, Sri Lankan are East Asia.So, they are South Asian then....
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Old September 6th, 2007, 07:06 PM   #1404
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that includes Banglas, nepalis and maldives
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Old September 6th, 2007, 07:22 PM   #1405
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^ Another difficult classification are the citizens of Trinidad and Tobago who are of East Indian origin. While Trinidad and Tobago is in South America and considered Hispanic with predominantly Black or Afrikaan denizens, as well as original AmerIndians (Native American Indians), I have encountered people of East Indian (Hindi) descent who are Trinidadian who would prefer to classify themselves as Asians.
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Old September 8th, 2007, 09:52 AM   #1406
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Victim mentality....
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Old September 8th, 2007, 09:56 AM   #1407
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Colonial Mentality.... we are a society sick with this virus.
To tell the truth, our attitude is no where in ASIA. Our neighbooring countries are telling us who are we?
I say? Most Filipinos- Eating Lovers, nandidiri magkamay kumain.. Kutsara at tinidor po.. at para social samahan ng kutsilyo. (pare ang magkamay kumain eh para sa poor lang...daw oh?)
Most Filipinos- wow men, anong uso sa TATE ngayon.. wow hiphop, na ka bonnet pa at jacket kahit 33degree Celcius ang init.. para porma, naka leather Jacket pa....
Most Filipinos- music lovers, western music only okay??? I do not know other asian music.. eh kung kundiman naku BADOY>>> totoo iyan...
Most Filipinos-food lovers, wow Western food okay... JOLLIBEE? oh yeah... hamburger,,,COKE please...
Ano pa ba???
Kung wala tayong ganyang mentalidad... ASIAN nga.. marunong ba tayong mag chopstick? Gaganahan kaya tayo ng musikang tradisyonal? Sige nga makining ka ng musikang Arabo, Indian, Vietnamese, Instik o kaya Provincianong HAPON.. ewan ko lang kung hindi pumanting yang tenga ninyo.
Okay ha OPINION ko ito... OPINION ninyo naman..
AFAIK, chostick is only used in North Asia. Elasewhere, nagkamay muna sila bago nagspoon and fork. I don't think chopsticks should be equated to "asian".
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Old September 9th, 2007, 11:52 AM   #1408
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I don't like that single Filipino women can be really bitter and grumpy all the time, and controlling, that's really annoying. Americanized Filipino girls are freer than normal Filipino girls because they aren't so limiting of themselves to enjoy life, Filipino girls always hold themselves back and always feel hiya for everything even when it's unnecessary

I don't like bitter old spinster Filipino women who whine about everything because they don't have a husband and have nothing better to do than focus on every single move of those around them because they have no personal life, boy that's annoying

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Old October 10th, 2007, 02:00 AM   #1409
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We are a nation of bandwagon jumpers!

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MANILA, Philippines -- Despite widespread anger and sorrow around the world over the bloody put-down of the peaceful protests in Burma, as well as the killings of civilians by private armed guards hired by the US firm Blackwater in Iraq, petitions covering these concerns were still overshadowed by a single issue: the insult delivered against Filipino doctors by a character on “Desperate Housewives.”

As an article in yesterday’s issue pointed out, the online petition calling for an apology and other measures in the wake of the perceived “racial slur” uttered by Teri Hatcher’s character gathered a total of 84, 865 signatories. The petition “topped the list of 27 online petitions” currently circulating on the Internet, said contributor Rita Gerona-Adkins.

I’m not sure what this signifies about Filipino-Americans, Filipinos and our friends and allies. That we’re extraordinarily computer savvy? That we’re extremely sensitive to racial put-downs, even when couched as humor? Or perhaps that we compose among the most avid “Desperate Housewives” viewers? (Gerona-Adkins writes that the Sept. 30 season premiere, which contained the offensive line, netted some 19 million viewers, the series’ “largest-ever audience.”)

For Leah Navarro, who has found a new calling as the spokesperson of the Black and White Movement, the response to the show has been impressive. “I even heard that some Filipino-Americans have demanded that ABC produce a show on how to teach politically correct behavior to Americans,” she writes in an e-group to which we both belong.

But if the outrage of Filipinos worldwide was astounding, Navarro says she wonders why we don’t react as quickly and vehemently to other issues. “How I wish that Filipinos everywhere would react with the same speed and righteous anger over burning issues over here, like anomalous deals by government that’ll keep your great-grandkids in hock, cheating in the elections, extrajudicial killings, unconstitutional directives by an increasingly arrogant administration, to name only a few.”

In resignation, she reflects: “Sigh. Guess all of those issues aren’t as sexy as Teri Hatcher’s mouth.”
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Old October 10th, 2007, 02:10 AM   #1410
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To be a stereotype or not to be a stereotype....think about that!

Inday jokes are windows to maid stereotyping

MANILA, Philippines -- Inday, the housemaid or “kasambahay,” is riding the airwaves.

Whether in e-mail, blog posts, Internet chats or text messages, she’s smart, spouts flowery English (even a little Spanish) -- and is keeping Filipinos here and abroad in stitches.

Inday’s “adventures” in and out of household service are threatening to be as widespread as the “Erap” and “Gloria” jokes.

She has morphed from the old promdi (from the province) ignorant of city life and entangled in a dalliance with the man of the house.

The jokes started spreading last month (although some chatters put it at circa 2005).

A web search showed one early post made at www.podcentral.ph late in August. It was titled “The Chronicles of Wonder Yaya” -- either a reference to the government’s “SuperMaid” skills training program for domestic helpers, or an imitation of the superhero themes of prime-time telenovelas.

Both the Kilusang Mayo Uno (KMU, May First Movement), a militant labor alliance, and the Visayas Forum Foundation (VFF), which is fighting the worldwide traffic in women, said there was nothing wrong with being amused by the jokes.

But the message behind the jokes was not funny and should make people pause and think, they said.

“These jokes are reflective of the long-standing low regard for our domestic workers,” said VFF deputy executive director Rolando Pacis. “While humor is appreciated once in a while, we must realize that it can also be an insidious medium for normalizing certain negative stereotypes.”

Pacis, however, said the VFF was angry because some mobile companies were sending the jokes to their subscribers.

“Is it really unusual and amusing when domestic workers are [portrayed as] smart in the jokes? Is there a presupposition that they are ignorant? Are maids that inconsequential and incapable of any intelligent discussion?” he said.

Nenita “Ka Nitz” Gonzaga, KMU vice president for women’s affairs, said she thought the jokes were funny “because Inday has the most complex replies and even scientific explanations to simple questions, indicating that she is an erudite person.”

The Inday jokes have elicited negative remarks in Internet discussion groups.

In the gay forum guys4men.com, one poster said he also found nothing funny in the jokes.

“Are we amazed that there’s a maid who speaks English?” he said. “Filipinos excel in jobs such as call center agents, domestic helpers, caregivers, nurses, etc. What’s wrong if we all try our mighty best to do that English thing?”

In one joke, the employer asks Inday why her son has a bump on his head.

Inday replies: “Compromising safety with useless aesthetics, the not-so-well-engineered architectural design of our kitchen lavatory affected the boy’s cranium with a slight boil at the left temple near the auditory organ.”

Asked in another instance why the food she has cooked is salty, Inday says: “The consistency was fine. But you see, it seems that the increased amount of sodium chloride (NaCl) affected the taste drastically, and those actions are irreversible. I do apologize.”

But how did Inday acquire her smarts and her English-speaking skills?

According to Gonzaga, Inday must have been a teacher.

Most of the chatters and blog posters agreed that Inday read the dictionary and probably her ward’s schoolbooks in her spare time.

In one joke, the poor employer tries to emulate Inday’s example by also reading the dictionary to improve his diction and grammar. He is left cussing when Inday replies in Spanish.

Gonzaga said that while Inday’s intelligence was “exaggerated,” it was not impossible to encounter intelligent maids because many of them, especially those working abroad, were degree holders or college undergraduates.

“Inday is overqualified for her job. In fact, intelligent Filipino maids working abroad often incite anger in their married female employers who are envious of them,” Gonzaga said.

Pacis pointed out that “in the first place, no kasambahay should suffer such indignity if society sent every one of them to school.”

“It is precisely the lack of education that pushes many young girls to come to the city from the province, hoping for a chance to work and study at the same time. Yet many employers continue to deny them this right to education,” he said.

Gonzaga said employers should not think that their maids were content to be maids forever. “They are doing this for their families. Many maids also want to study, learn new talents, and take up training to improve their skills,” she said.

Gonzaga said what she found funny was the way the employer -- presumed to be rich and educated -- would get unsettled by Inday’s replies.

“We think it’s funny because we believe a maid like Inday is impossible. But then, is there such a real person as Inday’s employer, who can tolerate her ways? In bourgeois households, any maid who is -- or tries to be -- more intelligent than the employer is sure to get fired,” Gonzaga said.

Pacis expressed the VFF hope that the public would take notice and act soon, “because we owe a lot to our domestic workers.”

“Everyone should take responsibility for correcting the continued stereotyping of maids. Let us put an end to the constant barrage of insulting messages. Let us give kasambahay the respect and credit they deserve,” he said.

How did Inday end up?

According to one joke, she simply resigned because her employer and her ward failed to appreciate her.

Another said she entered a call center.

A third featured an epitaph stating she was shot in the head by somebody who wanted her to stop making people’s noses bleed with her verbosity.
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Old October 10th, 2007, 03:08 AM   #1411
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now they want to make fuss about this one too? it's plain joke that's it. It is funny because it is unusual not only for maids but also for ordinary citizens. My goodness, everything in this country is sensationalized.

ok, I'll give one example of that joke:

"it is tha line formation of the sun, the earth and the moon, a phenomena that affect deeply the thinking ability of those who were born in the signs of cancer, taurus and leo. Based on my observation, this little creature is a leo, thinking that it is in the middle of the dead sea but in reality, it is your mug."

-Inday's reply to his angry employer because there's a cockcroach in his mug.
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Old October 10th, 2007, 03:39 AM   #1412
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There is a reason behind why some Cebuanos finding the joke insulting.

The word inday is endearment word in Cebuano referring to ladies, regardless of status. Now, if you use the word as a joke, this is an SERIOUS INSULT to Cebuanos, kay inyong giyagayaga ang kining pulong (because they desecrated/degrade its value).
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Old October 11th, 2007, 01:03 PM   #1413
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Old October 11th, 2007, 01:34 PM   #1414
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Filipino Mentality:Colonial mentality??????
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.. does filipinos have its own identity?

our culture is somewhat diverse, from spanish to american .. we are somewhat colonial ourselves because they say original filipinos were actualy black skinned.
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Old October 12th, 2007, 06:36 AM   #1415
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Filipino Mentality:Colonial mentality??????
.........
.. does filipinos have its own identity?

our culture is somewhat diverse, from spanish to american .. we are somewhat colonial ourselves because they say original filipinos were actualy black skinned.
Diverse it is but its not without an identity just because it is a mixed culture. A majority of what we know today as a Nation's culture are the result of influences from other cultures. Chinese culture for example is not a "pure" culture. It is a culture that has been influenced by Central Asian tribes which conquered them like the Manchus and the Mongols. Furthermore, their culture is also influenced from their interaction with the West through the Silk road all the way to Rome.

People get the impression that diversity is a lot of separate things that can fit in one container. Its not true. For only one identity can fit in a container that can only hold so much. Thats a mixed culture. The Filipino culture is a hybrid. This is because like any other culture the Filipino Culture has been influenced by diverse cultures from the outside. However, there is is only one identity that is identifiable. When we speak tagalog, bisaya, ilocano, etc. or chavacano for example. That's what we call Filipino.

In so far as the culture of the majority are concerned there is one factor among others that determine how people see themselves. This is expressed through festivals because that's how a nation affirm themselves to the world. I dont need to tell anyone what cultural factors form the Filipino identity as expressed through regional and national festivals. Its self expanatory.

Indeed there are Filipinos that has colonial mentality. Colonial mentality has to do with dependency to a colonial mother. This mental dependency has nothing to do with the Spanish for the past 100 years. Simply because Filipinos dont depend on Spain for anything. There are Filipinos especially the educated ones who equate Filipino interests to American interests almost spontaneously. They dont do it consciously but they see the world through that prism.

Take the addiction to English for example. They think it solves everything. Which is a dependents way of saying that the dependent cannot solve its own problem and has to be rescued by the colonial mother. The mentality white-knows-better-than-us bias among some Filipinos or the gravitation towards the Caucasian in servility has nothing to with the Spanish. Just try getting service and if you are "G.I joe", which is how they generalize all caucasians, you get immediate attention.

When they see white they see kano. This is because they come from a world thats still kano centric. They read American authored books, read American media and generally watch American movies. They are influenced by it so strongly that everything they measure has to be by those standards. They do it inspite of themselves.

Colonial mentality is the subconscious desire to seek approval from its colonial mother because the colonized is afraid to stand on its one. Self hate is one systemic expression to the world of its lack of self worth through a denial and defacement of its culture.



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There is a reason behind why some Cebuanos finding the joke insulting.

The word inday is endearment word in Cebuano referring to ladies, regardless of status. Now, if you use the word as a joke, this is an SERIOUS INSULT to Cebuanos, kay inyong giyagayaga ang kining pulong (because they desecrated/degrade its value).
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Old October 12th, 2007, 08:44 AM   #1417
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Regional differences and stereotypes

This is off topic but westerners in expat forums married to Cebuanas or living in Cebu seem to believe Tagalogs look down on Cebuanos or Bisayans. They have also mentioned that Manilenos, Tagalogs or most Luzoneans are more arrogant than those from Visayas or Mindanao and have expressed superiority over the latter. Is this true? I have not noticed, heard of, or experienced any of these accusations while living in RP? Have you? Your honest opinions are appreciated. Here are some quotes from some expat groups:

"I have lived here for a few years, know a few
ordinary people and am married to a filipina - all in
cebu city. I have heard it stated many times (cebuano
tocebuano)that their experience with people from
manila that come here for work or in government have a
habit of projecting a superior attitude to the locals
and verbalizing this attitude in conversations with
locals and with other people from manila.
I am a foreigner and have not experienced this
attitude but then I AM a foreigner. "

"But what do you think about the high-hatedness of the Manilaenos? Have you found that they exhibit that attitude towards their fellow Pilipinos and not so much to the Kanos. I'm talking about things like being at a party and telling a Tagalog person that I have been to Cebu & Bohol. To which they reply, with nose firmly in the air, that that is not the "real" Philippines."

"Oh, you completely misunderstood my Cebuano. It had nothing to do with your country's history. Tagalog na ka? If so, that certainly explains your
arrogance. Have someone translate it for you, dear."
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Old October 12th, 2007, 08:48 AM   #1418
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He has it wrong.

It is the westerners married to cebuanas who look down on cebuanas.

They even take their cebuana wives with them when they visit girlie bars
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Old October 12th, 2007, 08:54 AM   #1419
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I smell some -ing about to commence. Careful what you let loose here in this thread or else it'll get !
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