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Old January 15th, 2008, 12:58 PM   #261
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BBC HQ Redevelopment

A multi- million pound hotel and flats development planned for BBC Scotland's former HQ in Glasgow.

City councillors were today due to decide whether to approve the controversial plan, which has sparked a flood of objections.

QMD Glasgow, a consortium of three developers, wants to build an 85-bedroom hotel, 180 flats in four blocks and three townhouses on the site at Queen Margaret Drive.

The demolition of the existing BBC buildings would result in a historic property on the site by Charles Rennie Mackintosh being restored and converted into a bar, reception area and hotel accommodation.

Grant Aitken, managing director of consortium member Esk Properties, said it was hoped the hotel would open by 2011. But local community groups insist the West End is already at saturation level with clubs, pubs and other nightspots.




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Old January 15th, 2008, 11:13 PM   #262
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Via Hidden Glasgow - planning application for the gap site/NCP car park on Ingram Street, beside City Halls, for 6 storey hotel.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 10:01 AM   #263
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Developers to turn car park into 200-bed hotel

Arrgh arrgh no not an Allan Murray building please....!

Though in fairness a hotel is a good idea on that site.

I just have a problem with the expression of his buildings (or maybe I should be honest and say I just don't understand the logic behind how he composes a facade and how he handles scale). IMO the one at the top of Leith Walk is weirdly heavy handed and kills the street. Its one of the few buildings I know that actually appears to increase in size the further one gets from it.

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news...0bed_hotel.php

Developers to turn car park into 200-bed hotel

DAMIEN HENDERSON

January 17 2008

Developers are planning a four-star, 200-bed hotel on the site of a derelict car park in Glasgow's Merchant City.

The proposed £30m city-centre development would span six storeys next to the recently refurbished City Halls and Fruitmarket and would include space for shopping outlets, meeting rooms, bars, restaurants and underground parking.

It has been designed by the renowned Edinburgh-based architect Allan Murray on behalf of James Montgomery, the developer who owns The Ivory Hotel and Restaurant in Camphill Avenue, Langside.


Mr Montgomery said last night he was negotiating a deal with a global hotel brand not currently in Glasgow and would be aiming at the high end of the hotel market.

He said: "It's something fresh and new.

There is not an Allan Murray building in Glasgow and the hotel brand we are negotiating with is also not in the city."

Plans for the Ingram Street development have been submitted to Glasgow City Council's planning department and went on public display earlier this week.

They include four levels of hotel rooms, sitting on top of two floors comprising a spacious lobby area facing on to Ingram Street, together with room for restaurants, bars and meeting rooms.

It would also include 27,000 sq ft of retail space, on ground level and part of the basement level.

Mr Montgomery is also behind plans to turn a B-listed school in the south side of Glasgow into a five-star hotel, with eight luxurious suites, a gourmet restaurant and an art deco-style bar.

He said his latest development would be aimed at the four-star market - similar to that of the Radisson, which has since been given five stars.

At the launch of its tourism strategy in October last year, Glasgow City Council announced plans to create demand for a further 3000 hotel beds in the city.

This is seen by city planners and tourism agencies as vital in building the framework for an expanding tourism sector which can accommodate the Commonwealth Games in 2014, the opening of the new Riverside Museum and SECC Arena and deliver on its major events strategy.

The proposal is likely to go before the council's planning department for consideration in February.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 12:10 PM   #264
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Oh, I'm with you 100% there Gweilo - I really can't stand his buildings. And central Edinburgh is getting littered with them these days...
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Old January 17th, 2008, 12:43 PM   #265
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Theres more information and photographs on the AMA website (link below)

Lets just say its more random windows.

Yawn....

The massing is respectful, the mix is fine, and I'm pleased to see that site getting filled at last. But I have no idea how random windows, which IMO are devoid of any meaning or purpose and are hardly innovative, address the heritage of the area. It would be disappointing to get a peice of cut out architecture. For example look how flimsy, thin and inspid, the new facades are at the corner of Ingram and Glassford Streets. Is that really the best contemporary architectural culture can come up with now? Whatever happened to symbolism, depth, meaning etc etc.

http://www.ama-ltd.co.uk/docs/AMA/isg.html

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INGRAM STREET - GLASGOW

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After many years as a vacant site, the stage is set to complete the City Hall block in the Merchant City in Glasgow and so provide the final piece of the jigsaw which will see the Ingram Street block deliver its full potential.

The proposed development of a 200 bed hotel along with a mix of street level retail shells seeks to repair the urban grain and to repair the urban fabric by delivering a development which respects and addresses the scale, massing and heritage of the surrounding buildings, while at the same time makes a bold architectural statement through a built form it embraces a palette of modern materials, skillfully worked to make a dynamic and innovative contribution to the Merchant City.

Our proposals have been submitted for full Planning permission.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 01:15 PM   #266
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ooooh... a bit of sub-Adjaye.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 02:50 PM   #267
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I should clarify my comments are not aimed at Allan Murray in particular. Its a comment on the contemporary scene and I'm just as guilty as anyone. It's like the profession is still caught in a modernist puritanical strait jacket with only one style setting or design mode available.

Oh and James Montgomery's comment 'There is not an Allan Murray building in Glasgow' made me laugh. Is Allan Murray now perceived as a kind of Scottish starchitect? Is his signature style a must have for every Scottish city? How has Glasgow managed without one? I mean lets face it this hotel could be a cut and paste of what's going up in place of the council offices on the Royal Mile. Is that not symptomatic of a starchitect approach?!

Anyway Evening Times article below:

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/d...ity_centre.php

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£30m 200-bed hotel for city centre

A FOUR-STAR, 200-bed hotel is planned on the site of a derelict car park in Glasgow's Merchant City.

The proposed £30million development spans six storeys next to the recently refurbished City Halls and Fruitmarket.

It includes shops, restaurants, bars, meeting rooms and underground parking. It has been designed by Edinburgh architect Allan Murray on behalf of James Montgomery, the developer who owns The Ivory Hotel and Restaurant in Camphill Avenue, Langside.

Mr Montgomery said he was negotiating a deal with a global hotel brand not currently in Glasgow and would be aiming at the high end of the hotel market.

He added: "It's something fresh and new. There is not an Allan Murray building in Glasgow and the hotel brand we are negotiating with is also not in the city."

Plans for the Ingram Street development have been submitted to the city council and went on public display earlier this week.

The proposal is likely to go before the council's planning department in February.

It includes four levels of hotel rooms, on top of two floors comprising a lobby area facing on to Ingram Street, together with room for restaurants, bars and meeting rooms.

It also includes 27,000sq ft of retail space, on the ground level and part of the basement level.

Mr Montgomery is also behind plans to turn a B-listed school in the South Side into a five-star hotel, with eight luxury suites, a gourmet restaurant and art deco-style bar.

Publication date 17/01/08
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Old January 17th, 2008, 03:14 PM   #268
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The idea of Allan Murray as a Starchitect makes me laugh... but he must be good at making developments stack up financially, as the developers do seem to like him.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 03:24 PM   #269
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I much prefer the previous proposal
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Old January 17th, 2008, 08:23 PM   #270
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At the risk of getting completely shot down, I acutally prefer what's being proposed now. Was never that keen on the previous proposals. And a 4-star hotel will be perfect in that location.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 10:49 PM   #271
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I'm torn between the two pespectives here.

On the one hand, I think david has a point aboutthe previous proposals - although I did like the idea of having several different looking buildings on the site.

On the other hand, this hotel = 'meh' at best.

On the third hand (I'm a mutant), that site being empty is a disgrace. Something needs built there.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 07:29 PM   #272
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Found this of FutureGlasgow, looks like the new design of the Staybridge Suites hotel.



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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:43 PM   #273
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Good god that's bland!
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Old January 31st, 2008, 08:43 PM   #274
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I think that's worse, actually. Do they think that people wont notice the extra 11 floors above the general datum, just because of an arbitrary change from terracotta to glass?
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Good god that's bland!
Understatement...

B L A N D ! ! !

Ahh, thats better!
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Good God that's a ******* travesty....

BLAND BLAND BLAND BLAND BLAAAAAAAAAAND
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That just looks like an extension of Jurys Inn, the previous design looked a hell of a lot more solid than that thing, a good gust of wind would fling them pannels right in to the clyde.
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The six-storey building, planned to go on the site of a vacant car park close to the City Chambers, is designed to respond to the four streets facing each of its sides, with a sandstone main facade on Ingram Street.

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Yikes on both accounts here... Looks like they've forgotten to put any sort of design into the side facing the Clyde... again. Any renders of that bit? Or are they just to embarressed to release 'em?
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That just looks like an extension of Jurys Inn, the previous design looked a hell of a lot more solid than that thing, a good gust of wind would fling them pannels right in to the clyde.
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There's a little building like that quite near the river in Belfast
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Re Staybridge: I stand by my previous posts on the subject.

What are Young and Gault up to? The design quality has decreased not improved! The previous design had its faults, and I still don't think it was appropriate especially the facade addressing Howard Street. But this is embarassingly bad. Don't they grasp the concept of a top middle and a base? Someone please introduce them to these basic design concepts and to some choice quotes from Louis Sullivan on how to design a tall building like:

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'It must be every inch a proud and soaring thing, rising in sheer exaltation from bottom to top…without a single dissenting line…it is the new, the unexpected, the eloquent peroration of the most bold, most sinister, most forbidding conditions.'
My worry is that because of precedents i.e. Argyll International (a far superior design), and that the report to the Planning Applications Committee for the first application recommended approval, the planners will have no option but to do so again. Given what is on offer I hope they do a volte face but if not this design needs drastic improvement.

As its stands if this goes ahead I believe it would damage Glasgow’s hard won reputation as an architecture and design conscious city and undermine the council’s efforts to reposition Glasgow as a knowledge and design based city economy. Would anyone take us seriously with a building like that?
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