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Old March 23rd, 2008, 05:57 PM   #261
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Saudi mile-high tower plan raises bar!

March 13, 2008
GULF Arab states, flush with proceeds from record high oil prices, are racing to build the world's tallest tower.

Saudi Arabia has joined the fray with a plan to build a 1 mile (1600m) tower in the Red Sea city of Jeddah, according to the London-based Middle East Economic Digest (MEED).

The project, which would overtake super-tall skyscrapers in neighbouring Kuwait and Dubai, the city state associated with mega ventures, places the competition to build the world's tallest tower firmly in the Gulf region.

Of all the other high-profile buildings under construction around the globe, such as New York's Freedom Tower, none will exceed 700m in height.

Riyadh-based Kingdom Holding, which is controlled by Saudi billionaire Prince al-Walid bin Talal, will invite bids before July for contracts to build the tower in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia's commercial capital.

MEED said that although there was still secrecy over which companies were involved with the project, it was believed that Britain's Hyder Consulting was working in a joint venture with Arup, also British, as engineer on the project, which was expected to cost up to $US10 billion ($10.7 billion).

US engineering giant Bechtel has been chosen as construction manager for the "Mile-High Tower", as it is known. Saudi firm Omrania is the project architect.

Kuwait has unveiled a plan to build a 1001m tower. Its height is a reference to the classic work of Arabic literature, One Thousand and One Nights.

Three blades that will be built near the top of the tower will carry a mosque, a church and a synagogue to signify the unity of the three monotheistic religions.

The building will be one of the highlights of the "City of Silk", a $US77 billion project inspired by the Silk Road that aims to revive the ancient trade route by becoming a major free trade zone linking Central Asia with Europe.

The city, Subbiya on the northernmost tip of Kuwait Bay hard by the Iraqi border, plans to house 750,000 people when completed in 2030.

Kuwait, which sits on 10 per cent of global crude reserves, has been vying to restore its position as the most developed country in the Gulf, buoyed by windfall revenues from high oil prices that have increased its foreign assets to $US213 billion.

But both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have their work cut out if they are to steal a march on Dubai, a bustling member of the United Arab Emirates.

The emirate's Burj Dubai (Arabic for Dubai Tower) overtook Taiwan's Taipei 101 tower as the world's tallest building when it reached 512m in July.

Burj Dubai's height is now more than 600m.

Although its final height remains a secret, developers Emaar Properties have said the $US1 billion skyscraper will be more than 700m tall and have more than 160 storeys.

Burj Dubai is the centrepiece of a $US20 billion venture featuring the construction of a new district, Downtown Burj Dubai, which will house 30,000 apartments and the world's largest shopping mall. But Burj Dubai is facing competition on its own turf.

Dubai's other property development major, Nakheel, run by Australian and former head of Investa Chris O'Donnell, has announced it will build "al-Burj" or "The Tower", whose projected height, according to local press reports, is planned to overtake Burj Dubai.

Nakheel is behind such feats as three palm-tree-shaped artificial islands and The World, a cluster of some 300 islands looking like a blurred vision of the planet's nations being built off Dubai's coast.

The Western-oriented city state is in the midst of a massive construction boom as it seeks to position itself as a business and leisure hub in the face of dwindling oil wealth.

The multi-billion-dollar projects being undertaken by Gulf states may be engineering marvels, but some have questioned their usefulness in these days of greater environmental consciousness and austerity.

"These new projects push architecture and engineering to new limits, though it's also possible to create buildings and landmarks that aren't that high, but are viable and, most important, beautiful," said Allan Chamberlin, an Australian Dubai-based architect.

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Old March 23rd, 2008, 06:04 PM   #262
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Kingdom to invite bids for one-mile high tower!

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DUBAI -Gulf Arab states, flush with proceeds from record high oil prices, are racing to build the world’s tallest tower.


Saudi Arabia, which sits on a quarter of the planet’s proven oil reserves, has just joined the fray with a plan to build a one-mile (1,600 metre, 5,249 foot) tower in the Red Sea city of Jeddah, according to the London-based Middle East Economic Digest (MEED).

The project, which would overtake super-tall skyscrapers in neighbouring Kuwait and Dubai, the city state associated with mega ventures, places the competition to build the world’s tallest tower firmly in the Gulf region.

Of all the other high-profile buildings under construction around the globe, such as New York’s Freedom Tower, none will exceed 700 metres (2,296 feet) in height.

Riyadh-based Kingdom Holding, which is controlled by Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, will invite bids before July for contracts to build the tower in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia’s commercial capital.

MEED said that although there is still secrecy over which companies are involved with the project, it is believed that Britain’s Hyder Consulting is working in a joint venture with Arup, also British, as engineer on the project, which is expected to cost up to 10 billion dollars.

US engineering giant Bechtel has been chosen as construction manager for the “Mile-High Tower,” as it is known. Saudi firm Omrania is the project architect.

Kuwait has unveiled a plan to build a 1,001-metre (3,284 foot) tower. Its height is a reference to the classic work of Arabic literature, One Thousand and One Nights.

Three blades that will be built near the top of the tower will carry a mosque, a church and a synagogue to signify the unity of the three monotheistic religions.

The building will be one of the highlights of the “City of Silk,” a 77-billion-dollar project inspired by the Silk Road which aims to revive the ancient trade route by becoming a major free trade zone linking central Asia with Europe.

The city, located in Subbiya on the northernmost tip of Kuwait Bay by the Iraqi border, plans to house 750,000 people when completed in 2030.

Kuwait, which sits on 10 per cent of global crude reserves, has been vying to restore its position as the most developed country in the Gulf, buoyed by windfall revenues from high oil prices that have increased its foreign assets to 213 billion dollars.

But both Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have their work cut out if they are to steal a march on Dubai, a bustling member of the UAE.

The emirate’s “Burj Dubai” (Arabic for Dubai Tower) overtook Taiwan’s Taipei 101 tower as the world’s tallest building when it reached 512 metres (1,680 feet) in July.

Burj Dubai’s height is now over 600 metres (1,968 feet).

Although its final height remains a closely guarded secret, developers Emaar Properties have said the one-billion-dollar skyscraper will be more than 700 metres tall and have more than 160 storeys.

Burj Dubai is the centrepiece of a 20-billion-dollar venture featuring the construction of a new district, “Downtown Burj Dubai,” that will house 30,000 apartments and the world’s largest shopping mall.

But Burj Dubai is facing competition on its own turf.

Dubai’s other property development major, Nakheel, has announced it will build “Al-Burj” or “The Tower,” whose projected height has not been revealed but which, according to local press reports, is planned to overtake Burj Dubai.

Nakheel is behind such feats as three palm tree-shaped man-made islands and “The World,” a cluster of some 300 islands looking like a blurred vision of the planet’s nations being built off Dubai’s coast. The Western-oriented city state is in the midst of a massive construction boom as it seeks to position itself as a business and leisure hub in the face of dwindling oil wealth.
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Sorry but...!UK firms to build mile-high tower!

Mar. 13--Britain's Hyder Consulting and Arup have scooped the contract to build the world's tallest building, it emerged today.

Saudi Arabia is planning to build the first ever tower one mile high, three times taller than the current record-holder, the United Arab Emirates' Burj Dubai building at 512 metres.

At 1600 metres, it is also more than half as high again than Kuwait's planned 1001 metre tower.

According to the Middle East Economic Digest (MEED), the tower would be built in Saudi's western port of Jeddah with Britain's Hyder Consulting working in a joint venture with Arup, also British, as engineer on the project.

The building, whose owner is Riyadh-based Kingdom Holdings, is expected to cost up to $10 billion (£4.96 billion).

MEED said US engineering giant Bechtel has been chosen as construction manager for the "Mile-High Tower", as it is known, [U]and Saudi Arabian firm Omrania as the project architect.


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Old March 23rd, 2008, 06:19 PM   #264
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This is extremely wrong.

We need to maintain our small buildings first, and focus on developing our cities. A building of this magnitude would require unprecedented engineering and cost.

Let's stop with this foolishness of "Let's build the tallest building in the world because we can".


Our oil money isn't going to last us forever, we need to spend it wisely and not on some unnecessary building. Also, it's bad that we have to outsource the engineering outside of the country. If we don't have the skills to do it, let's not.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 06:22 PM   #265
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There has been a Wikipedia entry for this building but may have a few things incorrect. I have made an amendment to this entry. Please check out the article on Wikipedia. My amendment begins with "The latest information....."

To access entry type in "mile high tower."
The Mile High Tower (Arabic: برج الميل‎) is a supertall skyscraper currently under construction in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom Holding company, which is owned by prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, has chosen Bechtel company as the project's developer. If completed, the building would rise to one mile (1.6 km) in height, which would make it the tallest building in the world, surpassing the Burj Dubai. The project has a budget of 65 billion Saudi riyals ($15 Billion USD). The latest information is that tenders for construction would be handed out by July of 2008 when Kingdom Holdings would make an official annoucement. The building is not under construction as yet. An official rendering has not yet been released by KSA but preliminary sketches show no spire but a full colossal structure rising one mile into the sky. Actual floor count has not been finalized but calculated projections suggest a possible 375 floors. Challenges include sway and building lifts. The latter was addressed in Elevator World website by the use of electromagnetic lifts. UK's Hyder corporation, a structural engineering firm has been chosen as the principal engineers for the project along with Arup, also from the U.K. The architectural firm is the U.S. company Pickard Chilton.

Mile High Tower
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Status Under construction
Groundbreaking January 13, 2008
Estimated completion 2012 (estimated)
Height
Antenna/Spire ~1620 meter
Roof ~1565 meter
Floor count 285

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Old March 23rd, 2008, 06:37 PM   #266
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Mar. 13--Britain's Hyder Consulting and Arup have scooped the contract to build the world's tallest building, it emerged today.

Saudi Arabia is planning to build the first ever tower one mile high, three times taller than the current record-holder, the United Arab Emirates' Burj Dubai building at 512 metres.

At 1600 metres, it is also more than half as high again than Kuwait's planned 1001 metre tower.

According to the Middle East Economic Digest (MEED), the tower would be built in Saudi's western port of Jeddah with Britain's Hyder Consulting working in a joint venture with Arup, also British, as engineer on the project.

The building, whose owner is Riyadh-based Kingdom Holdings, is expected to cost up to $10 billion (£4.96 billion).

MEED said US engineering giant Bechtel has been chosen as construction manager for the "Mile-High Tower", as it is known, [U]and Saudi Arabian firm Omrania as the project architect.

Just a comparison with other buildings.
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Old March 23rd, 2008, 08:58 PM   #267
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This is extremely wrong.

We need to maintain our small buildings first, and focus on developing our cities. A building of this magnitude would require unprecedented engineering and cost.

Let's stop with this foolishness of "Let's build the tallest building in the world because we can".


Our oil money isn't going to last us forever, we need to spend it wisely and not on some unnecessary building. Also, it's bad that we have to outsource the engineering outside of the country. If we don't have the skills to do it, let's not.
first,these project it's not only a tower,it contain Villas,University,shopping Centers and Apartments,its whole new city dear,its even outside jeddah that make it easier to them to develop the infrastructure in that area.

Second,jeddah infra/superstructures problems made by municipality of jeddah NOT investors.
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Saudi Guy, can you go to N. Abhur and tell us if anything is going on in the plot?? take pic if needed?? we would really appreciate it...
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i go to north abhur everyday cuz my college is there! anyways nothing until now but i can take photos for the plot if you want.
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This is extremely wrong.

We need to maintain our small buildings first, and focus on developing our cities. A building of this magnitude would require unprecedented engineering and cost.

Let's stop with this foolishness of "Let's build the tallest building in the world because we can".


Our oil money isn't going to last us forever, we need to spend it wisely and not on some unnecessary building. Also, it's bad that we have to outsource the engineering outside of the country. If we don't have the skills to do it, let's not.
Womfalcs

I take it you are from the region? I would like to respectfully differ from your concerns on this building. The price of oil has skyrocketed and each dollar of fraction thereof can pay for this building easily. This building is part of a master plan to put Saudi Arabia on an international map OUTSIDE of its oil supplier status. The U.A.E. is doing the same.

I see it concerns you for the region to outsource the engineering. Firstly there are only a handful of engineering firms in the world licenced to go higher than 400m. Some of which are Skidmore, Owings, and Merrill, Norman Foster and Partners, Thornton Tomasetti, Arup, Hyder, and Leslie E. Robertson and Associates (LERA). Leslie Robertson engineered the twin towers in NYC at age 34 and when there was an earthquake in Shanghai last year, there was a slight lean on SWFC and they consulted Robertson to correct this. No doubt at some point in the Mile High building they may consult Robertson as well.

My point is to build great things you need the best the world has to offer and if Saudi Arabia has money to invest in a future outside the oil buisness, it needs the the talent from outside the world to get the job done.

Think of it this way, Saudia Airlines is getting its aircraft outsourced form Boeing and Airbus. In fact almost every major airline with most of its fleets are coming from either Boeing or Airbus.

Here is an opportunity to make the "Eighth Wonder of the World" in a building that will reshape every rule in civil engineering. If you think the Burj Dubai is something then think again with this colossal monster. It would be an instant world tourist attraction. It would be greater than the CN Tower and I will say greater than the Empire State Building. An instant world hit.

The United States has many great accomplishments, and so do other countries. Why not the Middle East to be in the global spotlight other than oil and terrorism. A few terrorists give a whole nation a bad name. This is something positive and inviting to the world. The Mile High building will say "Saudi Arabia has arrived for the 21st century. Come and see what we offer."

An observatory and restaurant in the top would be awesome along with hotels, condominiums, and offices. All the world's famous will visit. It will showcase a greater Saudi Arabia to the globe.

Thanks Buyckske for posting the wikipedia entry on this thread. If any news or information comes about let me know and I could amend the entry myself or you can. Lets keep this wikipedia entry about the Mile High Tower fresh and upto date.

It would be a dream come true for me if this building goes up. I never thought I would live to see a mile high building in my lifetime.

The stuff of dreams for sure.

Lotta fun, lotta fun

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, i just imagined the Freedom Tower next to this Giant.....
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i just imagined the Freedom Tower next to this Giant.....

There isn't a chance in our lifetime they would build a building in NY even half as tall. Besides this building is way too big for the lower Manhattan surroundings. Access would be terrible for such square footage in one small area...all vertical. You would need a larger open space with a dedicated thoroughway going to this giant. The Freedom Tower would look like knee high to a grasshopper.

To put it further, there is absolutely no building going up or planned including Al Burj that even rates with the Mile High building. Nothing comes close for comparison. Put the Empire State Building with antenna, tall as it is, next to the Burj Dubai. The ratio is still closer than the Burj Dubai next to this.

They are not just trying to build a skyscraper here, they are going for a monumental technological statement that will bend the rules of structural engineering thus rewriting the how to book. This IS the LEGENDARY dare to dream brought forth by F.L. Wright in 1956.

The Pyramids were built, the Panama Canal was dug, men walked on the moon, and now they are attempting to build Wright's Mile High City.

Lotta fun, lotta fun

Here's to the supporters of this project, from the Prince to all of you supporters here on SSC.

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I take it you are from the region? I would like to respectfully differ from your concerns on this building. The price of oil has skyrocketed and each dollar of fraction thereof can pay for this building easily. This building is part of a master plan to put Saudi Arabia on an international map OUTSIDE of its oil supplier status. The U.A.E. is doing the same.

I see it concerns you for the region to outsource the engineering. Firstly there are only a handful of engineering firms in the world licenced to go higher than 400m. Some of which are Skidmore, Owings, and Merrill, Norman Foster and Partners, Thornton Tomasetti, Arup, Hyder, and Leslie E. Robertson and Associates (LERA). Leslie Robertson engineered the twin towers in NYC at age 34 and when there was an earthquake in Shanghai last year, there was a slight lean on SWFC and they consulted Robertson to correct this. No doubt at some point in the Mile High building they may consult Robertson as well.

My point is to build great things you need the best the world has to offer and if Saudi Arabia has money to invest in a future outside the oil buisness, it needs the the talent from outside the world to get the job done.

Think of it this way, Saudia Airlines is getting its aircraft outsourced form Boeing and Airbus. In fact almost every major airline with most of its fleets are coming from either Boeing or Airbus.

Here is an opportunity to make the "Eighth Wonder of the World" in a building that will reshape every rule in civil engineering. If you think the Burj Dubai is something then think again with this colossal monster. It would be an instant world tourist attraction. It would be greater than the CN Tower and I will say greater than the Empire State Building. An instant world hit.

The United States has many great accomplishments, and so do other countries. Why not the Middle East to be in the global spotlight other than oil and terrorism. A few terrorists give a whole nation a bad name. This is something positive and inviting to the world. The Mile High building will say "Saudi Arabia has arrived for the 21st century. Come and see what we offer."

An observatory and restaurant in the top would be awesome along with hotels, condominiums, and offices. All the world's famous will visit. It will showcase a greater Saudi Arabia to the globe.

Thanks Buyckske for posting the wikipedia entry on this thread. If any news or information comes about let me know and I could amend the entry myself or you can. Lets keep this wikipedia entry about the Mile High Tower fresh and upto date.

It would be a dream come true for me if this building goes up. I never thought I would live to see a mile high building in my lifetime.

The stuff of dreams for sure.

Lotta fun, lotta fun

High oil prices will not remain forever. We have to diversify our economy. We have to spend every dime we have at achieving that... not some meaningless tower that I do not think will be built in any case. The engineering involved with that is astronomical. Ducting, electrical, piping, the structural aspects of it, etc..

The UAE can do what it's doing because it's in a completely different situation than Saudi. We have no significant tourism sector. The majority of our tourism money comes from Hajj and Omra by pilgrims. A huge portion of our GDP is related to petroleum. What else do we have? Gold? Dates? Natural gas (yet another finite fossil fuel)?

The UAE has a great tourism sector going... they've already diversified their economy. They have that + oil + construction + huge locally headquartered businesses that are not related to oil. Most of their infrastructural and structural investments are to further reduce their economy's dependence on a finite resource.

We Saudis need to invest in diversifying our economy. It seems like we didn't learn anything from the 70's boom in oil prices then.

I love King Abdullah investing a lot in education, we need that. I love that our government has put emphasis in a consumer economy. That's not enough though. We need to become a multi-dimensional economy.

If oil prices decreased to the 90's levels again in a few years, we will return to those not so great times we faced at that time.

10 billion dollars should go to further this cause. A tower of this magnitude will not do that. It would only be a giant disaster in terms of engineering and maintenance, and get Saudi Arabia on the news. It won't significantly increase foreign tourism.
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So the structure itself is kinda tall, and how depp does the foundation have to be?
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The UAE can do what it's doing because it's in a completely different situation than Saudi. We have no significant tourism sector. The majority of our tourism money comes from Hajj and Omra by pilgrims. A huge portion of our GDP is related to petroleum. What else do we have? Gold? Dates? Natural gas (yet another finite fossil fuel)?
first,saudi arabia has a good areas for tourism,as historical spots,islands in red sea,forgotten village such as al qahr mountain,volcanoes,caves and desert see what UAE done....etc,Saudi Arabia possesses all the ingredients of tourism, the only problems here is how people thinking that nothing in saudi arabia deserve to see except makkah,madina,riyadh and jeddah!

second,yes we have something very important,the SUN,its a powerful sours for energy and the Raw materials underground saudi arabia is a land above the treasures!
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first,saudi arabia has a good areas for tourism,as historical spots,islands in red sea,forgotten village such as al qahr mountain,volcanoes,caves and desert see what UAE done....etc,Saudi Arabia possesses all the ingredients of tourism, the only problems here is how people thinking that nothing in saudi arabia deserve to see except makkah,madina,riyadh and jeddah!

second,yes we have something very important,the SUN,its a powerful sours for energy and the Raw materials underground saudi arabia is a land above the treasures!
It doesn't matter what I think about tourism opportunities in Saudi Arabia. I'm looking at our GDP and economy. Tourism (I'm speaking about foreign money) is very low in the ranks. The UAE has a vast tourism sector, and their investments are to further that trend. They receive over 1.1 million American and British tourists per year; this excludes people for all other nations.

The facts show that we don't have that. We shouldn't invest this much on something that will not advance our economy. 10 billion riyals should be spent to create more jobs, or tourist attractions that will attract Saudis or Arabs in general to spend their money domestically.

I love to travel across Saudi by the way. I don't care about history unless it relates to ancient times. There are very few items that interest me in recent history... and none of them are associated with the Middle East.

Most of our foreign tourism money comes from Hajj and Omra.


The Sun is everywhere. We can't make money off of it. I'm talking about economic advancement. 75% of our revenue is from the petroleum sector. 90% of our exports are oil or petroleum derivatives. Gold and dates are mainly domestic resources. 0% of our natural gas is exported, so no money is made from them through exports.

We need to spend money like that for this project to diversify our economy. We can't be dependent just on oil.
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Not related to this topic, but i just read the Saudi Arabia imported 480 thousand cars last year. Thats a very big number that would put it as one of the world top consumers of this product. My question is why have they not initiated any projects to create car assembly plants?? specially for popular models like camry and so on, this could greatly reduce imports and might even start a new export industry not counting the huge industrial and ecomnomical benefits.
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Not related to this topic, but i just read the Saudi Arabia imported 480 thousand cars last year. Thats a very big number that would put it as one of the world top consumers of this product. My question is why have they not initiated any projects to create car assembly plants?? specially for popular models like camry and so on, this could greatly reduce imports and might even start a new export industry not counting the huge industrial and ecomnomical benefits.
I forgot which manufacturer it was, but I read a while back that an automotive assembly plant was in the works in Saudi Arabia.

I'm sure as vehicle sales continue to increase, more car manufacturers will build such plants within the kingdom.
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Not related to this topic, but i just read the Saudi Arabia imported 480 thousand cars last year. Thats a very big number that would put it as one of the world top consumers of this product. My question is why have they not initiated any projects to create car assembly plants?? specially for popular models like camry and so on, this could greatly reduce imports and might even start a new export industry not counting the huge industrial and ecomnomical benefits.
For something like that to happen the local population will have to get serious about working. From my experience and from what I have heard from others, most Saudis still haven't come to terms with the realities of working hard or working for an ordinary wage. There is no denying the fact that this is true. This needs to change before people consider things like assembly plants. If they got some (assembly/manufacturing plants) going now, it would have to be run by foreign labor. Anyway, I'm hoping the culture will change.

Also, the business climate in Saudi Arabia is not necessarily the most conducive in the Middle East. So, manufacturers might see Dubai as a better alternative. They can then ship to Saudi Arabia...I think some GCC pacts allow for little or zero-tax/tariff exports between the countries.

There are other reasons too...but anyway...it's off-topic
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Old March 30th, 2008, 07:56 PM   #280
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I'm curious about this towers location in relation to the airport, something that size on the creek will close the airport!

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