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Old August 13th, 2008, 12:46 PM   #1
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Park at the Heart!

Bradford’s natural drainage point will be transformed into a landmark water feature and a showcase for the entire city. Known as ‘The Bowl’ this area of the centre will play host to an innovative mirror pool. This tranquil body of water can be drained quickly to create a large space for public events such as ice-skating, outdoor theatre and art installations.

Centenary Square is rapidly becoming a cultural focal point within the city centre with a selection of cafes, restaurants and bars framing City Hall. Key to the public square is the BBC Big Screen, which is one of seven in major cities across the UK. It has already brought together Bradford’s communities by showing a selection of sporting, charity and cultural events.

Complementing the mirror pool in the Bowl will be a dynamic Business Forest office park, the Interchange transport hub and an enlarged and enhanced Exchange Square Concert Hall (St George’s Hall).

Major Projects within The Bowl:


* The mirror pool – The signature feature of the Alsop Masterplan will create a unique, flexible space for community events and concerts which can be used throughout the year. The pool will form the centrepiece and include infrastructure to hold major public events beside the Grade-I listed City Hall, along with children’s play areas, quiet spaces for reflection, and bars, cafes and restaurants. A lottery bid for £24.5m funding was launched in 2007 with the scheme making the final shortlist from over 300 schemes, however the bid was unsuccessful. Despite this setback, city leaders are committed to making the scheme a reality for the people of Bradford and are currently looking at alternative funding methods.

* Lightwave – The Centenary Square Video Screen has already had a large impact on the use and quality of life in Centenary Square. The screen televises high profile events and news from around the world. The screen also acts as a local news portal and after the success of the first opera event is now holding several key events uniting the city.

* The Business Forest office park – This key three-stage development creates Bradford’s central business district alongside the potential new legal quarter, complementing developments taking place in other areas of Bradford. This mixed-use development will also bring the highest quality city living to the heart of Bradford.

* Interchange Station – The current railway and bus station will be transformed into a twenty-first century public transport hub, also providing up to 200,000 sq ft of high quality office space and a new multi-storey car park.



Bowl Documents:

http://www.bradfordnewcity.com/doc_p...D=15&styleid=1

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http://www.bradfordnewcity.com/uploads/BOWL_1A.jpg
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Bowl Facts:

http://www.bradfordnewcity.com/uploa...act%20Card.pdf

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To get this thread going here is some latest news:

£10m boost for park plan

Yorkshire Forward is planning to plough at least £10 million into Bradford’s Park at the Heart project.

Since Bradford’s £24.5m bid for lottery funding was turned down, project bosses have been investigating other funding options for the mirror pool city park.

Whereas the bid to the Big Lottery Fund focused purely on the Park at the Heart scheme, regeneration chiefs have decided that other funding options could be exploited more successfully by linking the park project with an equally-ambitious plan to relocate Bradford Magistrates’ Court.

Bradford Centre Regeneration said it was hoping to sign a ‘Heads of Terms’ legal agreement with Her Majesty’s Court Service (HMCS) in the next six months to move forward negotiations over the future of the Magistrates’ Court.

HMCS has committed a “sizeable amount” of money to the cost of relocating the magistrates’ court from its current position, next to the old Tyrls police station, to a new site by Bradford Crown Court in Exchange Square.

And demolition of the existing magistrates’ court, along with the adjoining former police station, would pave the way for part of the proposed 'Business Forest' to be built next to the Park at the Heart.

Stephen Talboys, director of regeneration for Bradford Centre Regeneration, said Bradford could look forward to having a Park at the Heart by 2012 and a new magistrates’ court by 2013 if discussions went according to plan.

He said: “Whereas previously the park was going to be funded by the lottery, we are now looking at the bigger picture, combining the plan to build the park with the idea of moving the court.

“So the court and park are now being considered as one from an economic and funding point of view.”

Mr Talboys said the detailed design of the park was being drawn up at a cost of £1.5 million, funded by Bradford Council, Yorkshire Forward and English Partnerships.

He said the completed park plan would then be put out to tender next year to allow companies to bid for the contract to carry out the construction work.

Mr Talboys said Bradford Council and HMCS had committed to sizeable financial contributions and added that Yorkshire Forward’s proposed investment was a major boost for the scheme.

He said: “For Yorkshire Forward to make an investment of £10 million or above in any project, we have to go through a process of getting approval from CPRG (Central Projects Review Group) and the Treasury.

“To get that approval, the project requires a very detailed business case. The economic work we have done so far means we are confident of making that case. “If we move the court and build the park, then it’s the business space we can put around there that will provide the economic output that justifies it.

“The total bill is huge – £24m for the park and £35m to move the court. With a broad brush, that’s about £60m for the combined project.

“We are talking through a ‘Heads of Terms’ agreement with HMCS and they have identified a sizeable contribution to the cost. They see it as one of their projects.”

When the magistrates’ court is moved to Exchange Court, it would form part of the city’s new Justice Quarter, with lawyers and solicitors expected to take up office space in a new mixed-use development near the courts.

Yorkshire Forward and HMCS would not divulge the exact amount they plan to invest in the scheme.

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Old August 13th, 2008, 01:04 PM   #3
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Isn't there a Bradford thread for this type of thing?
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Old August 13th, 2008, 01:37 PM   #4
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Yes but it was discussed that seperate projects should have seperate threads as the current Bradford thread was far too large with way too many projects in it.

'City region' issues like this could do with their own subforum within Leeds'.

As for the project itself, it's the lake proposal that has been adapted to the 'pool' isnt it? Not only could it not get planning permission etc, but I'm worried it may not contribute to the economic regeneration of Bradford. It'll create a nice public space, as Centenary Square has done, but as soon as you go into the main part of Bradford it's just the same as it was years ago.

Student accomodation could be the answer to some parts of Bradford; in a similar way to how students have brought money to Headingley, they could to parts of Bradford. Bradford also could build up it's tourism I think.
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Old August 13th, 2008, 06:35 PM   #5
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Could seperate threads for individual projects within Bradford or anywhere else in the Leeds Metro area outside of Leeds itself perhaps be preceded with something like BRADFORD | (eg: BRADFORD | Westfield Broadway Retail Development), HARROGATE |, YORK |, HUDDERSFIELD |, WAKEFIELD | or HALIFAX | similar to what is done in the East Midlands Forum where threads are preceded by NOTTINGHAM |, LEICESTER | or DERBY |?

As for The Bowl it is an interesting idea as decent public spaces in city centres is always a good thing although it would surely and very obviously need to be well maintained and kept in tip top condition. It certainly has been extremley long in gestation though if they don't get the money they need is there any fall back option perhaps to have a scaled down scheme which still provides benefits for Bradford especially with the economy the way it is would make the granting of funding for such schemes difficult i'd have thought. Still with the proposal for a new park to be completed in 2012 and with a relocated Magistrates Court opening in 2013 does that mean Bradford will be without a Magistrates Court for a period of time? Are there any renders showing how Interchange station will look as that really is an eyesore which would really need some work done to it.

Still couldn't they provide some major tax incentive which this £60 million could arguby be better spent on to encourage new businesses, government departments into Bradford which could provide for some genuine regeneration for the city centre whilst also developing improved transport throughout the borough such as railway stations at Manningham, Low Moor and Laisterdyke as well as improved regional rail services (such as direct services to Hull and Liverpool which I imagine should be easily achievable through expansion and merging existing services together in addition to more services to Leeds and Manchester) in addition to the planned NXEC hourly Bradford Forster Square - Leeds - London Kings Cross Intercity railway service as well as a genuine tidying up of its network of city centre dual carriageways such as that outside the National Media Museum and the Hilton Hotel which should be reduced to something resembling a city street and not something which looks awful as it reflects badly on the appearance of Bradford City Centre.

Also how far would £60 million go towards possibly opening a viaduct linking the short gap of railway between Interchange and Forster Square stations which in my view would be a good idea so that trains run through Bradford and hence it would give further journey opportunities which would surely make Bradford a more popular destination as well as improve a strategic part of the West Yorkshire transport network.
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Diana fountain to inspire new park

The Diana Memorial Fountain in Hyde Park, London, and Sheffield’s Peace Gardens are two attractions that are providing inspiration for Bradford’s Park at the Heart project.

The team behind the city centre park plans has been visiting public projects in other cities looking at similar elements and speaking to the people behind developing and maintaining them.

Other projects visited include the More London area surrounding the Greater London Assembly building in London and public realm works outside the Millennium Dome in Greenwich.

A report to Bradford Council’s regeneration and economy improvement committee, which meets on Tuesday, gives an update on the £24 million park scheme.

Shelagh O’Neill, project officer for the scheme, said in the report: “A number of key lessons learned have been incorporated into the Park at the Heart design and will result in cost savings in the design, build or maintenance of the scheme or will enhance the scheme in other ways.”

It also states that Council chief executive Tony Reeves has been “engaged in high level negotiations with a range of potential funding partners”.

In addition to the existing partnership of the Council, Yorkshire Forward and Bradford Centre Regeneration, English Partnerships have now committed themselves to the project.

The detailed design stage is now “well under way” and a full design review was undertaken earlier this year.

In August the Telegraph & Argus revealed that Yorkshire Forward was planning to plough at least £10m into the project. The regional development agency’s potential investment would have to be approved by the Government’s Treasury department because of its size.

Since Bradford’s £24.5m bid for lottery funding was turned down, project bosses have been investigating other funding options for the mirror pool city park.

Whereas the bid to the Big Lottery Fund focused purely on the Park at the Heart scheme, regeneration chiefs have decided that other funding options could be exploited more successfully by linking the park project with a plan to relocate Bradford Magistrates’ Court.
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I've amended the thread title to bring it into line with others and to slim it down a bit, hope you don't mind *-City Of Bradford-*.

I'd be interested to see this project go ahead as it seems to be the key centre point of the whole Bradford regeneration masterplan. However, there seems to be no sign of funding on the horizon since loosing the lottery bid. Hopefully that can be changed over the next couple of years.
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I think this would be a real asset to Bradford. Is it where the big screen currently is (I've not been to Bradford much)?
Where does this fit in relation to the Westfield Shopping Centre - would be great if the two were close?
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Will respond to messages and discuss a bit more in next post, but here's some more images and a video of the project (some of them large, thus why I'm dividing it):


Park At The Heart Video:

Link to section of website:

http://www.bradfordnewcity.com/default.asp?Page=50

Link to video choice option:

http://www.bradfordnewcity.com/vid_pop3.htm

Direct link to hi-res video via Windows Media Player:

http://www.bradfordnewcity.com/image...es/park-hi.wmv

(Can be downloaded via flashgot I think)


Original CGI's:







(I know City of Bradford already put this one up, but it shows a bit more of the wall mentioned below)



http://www.parkattheheart.com/

http://www.gillespies.co.uk/services...rk/default.htm


Map Overview Proposal:





http://www.planninginbradford.com/WA...df&pageCount=1

http://www.planninginbradford.com/WA...r=07/05090/FUL


Some details of the Norfolk Garden Wall (also seen on CGI posted above) and Earlier Conceptions:



http://www.planninginbradford.com/WA...df&pageCount=1

http://www.planninginbradford.com/WA...r=07/05090/FUL










Really like this idea, don't think it made it to the proposal design though:





http://www.sturgeonnorth.com/


The Planning Applications:

Centenary Square Planning Application History Section (including below):

http://www.planning4bradford.com/Pub...=002DM5DHBU000

Park At The Heart:

http://www.planning4bradford.com/Pub...OPERTY&module=

http://www.planninginbradford.com/WA...r=07/05090/FUL

Demolition of Police Station & Magistrates Courts:

http://www.planning4bradford.com/Pub...OPERTY&module=

http://www.planninginbradford.com/WA...r=07/05091/CAC


Both are approved.


I think that's about everything.
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I've amended the thread title to bring it into line with others and to slim it down a bit, hope you don't mind *-City Of Bradford-*.

I'd be interested to see this project go ahead as it seems to be the key centre point of the whole Bradford regeneration masterplan. However, there seems to be no sign of funding on the horizon since loosing the lottery bid. Hopefully that can be changed over the next couple of years.

Cheers for that Rob, everything looks much neater and clearer. I guess we're a bit anal when it comes to this *-City of Bradford-*, but it just helps in the long run.


I don't mind this project, and there is about £10m from Yorkshire Forward plowed into this, though if they really want to cut costs, they should scale down the amount of land they're redeveloping.

I'm guessing by the above article about finding inspiration from the Diana Memorial and The Sheffield Peace Garden that the project is being altered or scaled down. If you look at the map of the Overall View of the project on my last post, also seen here:

http://www.planninginbradford.com/WA...df&pageCount=1

...you can see that there are alterations made to Centenary Square itself, with more curved grass patches and a significant amount of repaving. This seems entirely unnecessary and costly, given the square was revamped/created only a decade ago, and looks fine as it is, with Stone Paving as opposed to Porphyry Setts as seen in some of the CGI shots in my previous post, which doesn't seem quite as good. So they can save a few bob here. The other two grass patches which are removed in this design could also be retained if the pool's diametre and positioning were altered slightly.

The necessity of redeveloping Norfolk Gardens is also questionable. It perhaps looks somewhat better in the renders for it, but the water feature seems to cut the space in two, though it does have some crossing points, the observation remains. I don't know whether the space where the roads 'Norfolk Gardens & Channing Way' current are wouldn't be used for temporary vehicle access, but it would be an ideal space to put that stream water feature without breaking up the grass lawns. The dry stone wall would also seem to close in the space from the rest of the city. This could be to separate the public park space from all the cars, though it seems block off views of the city and vis-versa views of the park. The little pavilion information centre and retail buildings seem an alright idea though.

The rest I guess could continue as planned, though with the loss of Lottery Funding, what they're able to create may be more limited. I've never really been fond of the Magistrates Courts like some people seem to be, it's too short and take up an unnecessary amount of space, and has a planned replacement at Exchange Square, expected to coincide with this project. The police station isn't much better and already has a replacement building in Nelson Street (actually uglier than the former).


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I think this would be a real asset to Bradford. Is it where the big screen currently is (I've not been to Bradford much)?
Where does this fit in relation to the Westfield Shopping Centre - would be great if the two were close?
Yeah this is where the big screen is, though mainly involves the adjacent site of the Police Station and Magistrates Courts.

It's not far away from the Broadway Site, at it's nearest about one street/two buildings away:



The city park on the left and the Broadway site on the right.

This does raise another issue though, that of the fact that particularly major 6 lane, 4 lane roads surround half of the site, not the best environment for a park. Obviously the result of poor town planning in the 60's and 70's, but it is an issue still not dealt with. One argument put forward was that the park should be relocated to the Broadway site, what with having some fairly good buildings surrounding it, and not so major roads. Given the Broadway Shopping Centre seems only about half let, and is going at a snails pace, half the space being devoted to parkland would seem a more lateral approach. The work already done on site though, makes this an unlikely option, what with department stores already let at all corners of the site, and plans firmly in place. Ideally though, the Broadway Site could do with a lot more space devoted to parkland or squares, not having the Park at the Heart as the sole major square, with Forster Square now relegated to almost nothing.


P.S. Princes Way could do with some kind of cross between a bridge and a tunnel though, with a dip in the road and an elevated and substantial piece of land going over the top for pedestrians, though considering tall vehicles it's debatable whether you could fit it all under. A full blown tunnel would be preferable in the long run, though costly and difficult, though that way you could possibly link in an underground carpark beneath the City Park, increasing accessibility to visitors and the Bradford populace alike. In a perfect world. As it is, it's bloody annoying.
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Found this in the local council propaganda rag, Community Pride, not seen it reported anywhere else, so I'll post this here:


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We will soon be consulting Bradford city centre traders, taxi drivers and residents about proposed closures to Channing Way and Norfolk Gardens.

The Closures, which would make way for the first phase of our Park at the Heart scheme, were approved in principle by the Council's Executive in December.

We carried out extensive consultations on the city park and mirror pool scheme in 2007 but further consultation on the transport proposals is required. We are seeking funding for the schem
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The complete wrong kind of proposals for bradford, yes it looks nice, but first we need shops and buisnesses then concentrate on the park space. Hardly anyone is going to use it because there arnt any decent shops or restaraunts, so no one is going to go shopping then drop by the park area. Also those curvy paths are a very poor idea indeed, as if the architect expect people to follow those paths, everyone will cut straight through as no one has the time to go all over the shop, there will be long areas of mud paths evrywhere, looks nice on paper but should bradford really be focusing on green space first? No, not if there isnt a suffiecent infastructure to support these ideas.

But i guess they should build it as it will be the only thing new in Bradford for a long time, but i just feel it is the wrong kind of proposal
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The complete wrong kind of proposals for bradford, yes it looks nice, but first we need shops and buisnesses then concentrate on the park space. Hardly anyone is going to use it because there arnt any decent shops or restaraunts, so no one is going to go shopping then drop by the park area. Also those curvy paths are a very poor idea indeed, as if the architect expect people to follow those paths, everyone will cut straight through as no one has the time to go all over the shop, there will be long areas of mud paths evrywhere, looks nice on paper but should bradford really be focusing on green space first? No, not if there isnt a suffiecent infastructure to support these ideas.

But i guess they should build it as it will be the only thing new in Bradford for a long time, but i just feel it is the wrong kind of proposal
Absolutely.
If all the other plans had got off the ground by now, all well and good but it hardly seems like a priority at the moment.

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We will soon be consulting Bradford city centre traders, taxi drivers and residents about proposed closures to Channing Way and Norfolk Gardens.

The Closures, which would make way for the first phase of our Park at the Heart scheme, were approved in principle by the Council's Executive in December.

We carried out extensive consultations on the city park and mirror pool scheme in 2007 but further consultation on the transport proposals is required. We are seeking funding for the schem
I don't see the point in consulting about all this, when as far as I know there are no firm funding plans in place.
Lottery funding was rejected, so who's going to pay for it?

Also, even though the old central police station is empty and could be bulldozed tomorrow, there's still the problem of the Magistrate's Court.
I think there were plans to relocate it next to the Crown Court building, but again nothing has been set in stone.

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Princes Way could do with some kind of cross between a bridge and a tunnel though, with a dip in the road and an elevated and substantial piece of land going over the top for pedestrians, though considering tall vehicles it's debatable whether you could fit it all under. A full blown tunnel would be preferable in the long run, though costly and difficult, though that way you could possibly link in an underground carpark beneath the City Park, increasing accessibility to visitors and the Bradford populace alike. In a perfect world. As it is, it's bloody annoying.
Totally agree.
Broadway would make a far more suitable site for a Central Park (please, can we stop all this 'Park at the Heart' nonsense!) but if it's going to be next to Centenary Square I really think Princes Way needs sorting out.
Some better continuity between the city centre and West End seems crucial. Could Princes Way (or at least a section of it) be put in a tunnel via a Cut & Cover method?
The Bradford Beck runs across it near the Odeon somewhere but am sure that could be dealt with.
I'd actually like to see the beck opened up again wherever possible in the city centre... I really don't know why we've buried it as though it's something to be ashamed of.
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The plan is now to retain the court building for the short term at least, and demolish half of the police station as it contains the cells which are used for the court and various other rooms. The blank wall which will come as a result as this will become a "green wall", effectively a wall with plants stuck on it to cover it up.

The court building's future will be considered as part of a phase 2 for the mirror pool which isn't even being thought about yet. It was originally envisaged for this area to become a "business forest", the economic climate has put this in doubt.

Finally the plans for mirror pool have advanced from those renders and drawings posted above, one of the new features is a media pod with stilts which is connected to a some new buildings via a bridge which lifts up and down.
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Finally the plans for mirror pool have advanced from those renders and drawings posted above, one of the new features is a media pod with stilts which is connected to a some new buildings via a bridge which lifts up and down.
What the...?
As someone who works in the media, I'd love to know what the hell a 'media pod' is!
This all sounds horribly like a throwback to the outlandish Will Alsop masterplan. Are there any visuals anywhere?
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What the...?
As someone who works in the media, I'd love to know what the hell a 'media pod' is!
This all sounds horribly like a throwback to the outlandish Will Alsop masterplan. Are there any visuals anywhere?
I have access to a number of drawings on mirror pool so I will be able to get some scans soon, it's another trendy word and is basically a massive TV screen, but containing events facilities such as changing rooms, lighting rooms etc. It looks like a large semi-transparent drum on a tripod and will be lit in various colours. Access to it will be gained from a bridge which lowers from the side of the drum to the new "summerhouse" style buildings
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What the fuck is a 'BUSINESS FOREST' when it's at home?!
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The complete wrong kind of proposals for bradford, yes it looks nice, but first we need shops and buisnesses then concentrate on the park space. Hardly anyone is going to use it because there arnt any decent shops or restaraunts, so no one is going to go shopping then drop by the park area. Also those curvy paths are a very poor idea indeed, as if the architect expect people to follow those paths, everyone will cut straight through as no one has the time to go all over the shop, there will be long areas of mud paths evrywhere, looks nice on paper but should bradford really be focusing on green space first? No, not if there isnt a suffiecent infastructure to support these ideas.

But i guess they should build it as it will be the only thing new in Bradford for a long time, but i just feel it is the wrong kind of proposal

I guess the thing is nothing else can really be built at the minute, at least not anything of a commercial nature. I guess the curvy path thing doesn't make a great deal of sense, but perhaps this is more to appeal to people in their leisure time. Personally think there's a number of ways this project can be cut back in terms of it's cost. It can for a start not bother interfering with Centenary Square as it is, as I've previously seen planned, and it could also leave Norfolk Gardens the same, but just remove the road from their. Without their being a demand for a business/office part of the project, this is not as yet required and this could be left out of the design till it is required, though what to do with the rest of the site and the landscaping around their remains a mystery.



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Absolutely.
If all the other plans had got off the ground by now, all well and good but it hardly seems like a priority at the moment.


I don't see the point in consulting about all this, when as far as I know there are no firm funding plans in place.
Lottery funding was rejected, so who's going to pay for it?


Also, even though the old central police station is empty and could be bulldozed tomorrow, there's still the problem of the Magistrate's Court.
I think there were plans to relocate it next to the Crown Court building, but again nothing has been set in stone.


Totally agree.
Broadway would make a far more suitable site for a Central Park (please, can we stop all this 'Park at the Heart' nonsense!) but if it's going to be next to Centenary Square I really think Princes Way needs sorting out.
Some better continuity between the city centre and West End seems crucial. Could Princes Way (or at least a section of it) be put in a tunnel via a Cut & Cover method?
The Bradford Beck runs across it near the Odeon somewhere but am sure that could be dealt with.
I'd actually like to see the beck opened up again wherever possible in the city centre... I really don't know why we've buried it as though it's something to be ashamed of.
There isn't much else that can be done regeneration wise. I'm personally all for creating two parks, ideally, one here and one at the Westfield site, though the latter will probably never happen.

In terms of funding, if you look up the page to the second post on this thread by *-City Of Bradford-* there's a very informative article there from The Telegraph and Argus. It says how Yorkshire Forward are ploughing at least £10m into the project, but will need confirmation from a regulatory group to be able to. The cost of the project in total is about £24m, but combined with the cost of relocating the magistrates courts to Exchange Square, at a cost of £35m, with these two projects being treated as one, it would be about £59m, with the Park At The Heart given a 2012 completion date and the Magistrates Courts, 2013. I dunno how the rest of this will get funded, particularly the rest of the Park At The Heart cost of £14m. Though I don't know whether this includes the Business Forest or not, so it could be less.

I've said this thing about Princes Way a lot, it is a complete barrier, yet the main alterations in the road network concerned Hall Ings in the plans, though that still didn't really do enough. Their will however be a reduction in the amount of lanes required I imagine though, if Channing Way and Norfolk Gardens are removed. This isn't enough though. I suppose the Beck does raise a problem here. Not sure what the logistics or topography of it all is, but something needs to be done there, it cuts off the whole nightlife/university & college end of the city.

There are plenty of plans to unveil the Beck once more as part of this Canal/Water Feature scheme which the Channel Urban Village is also a part of. I believe the river is polluted though, and would need some check on it. The plans though would also seem to involve the demolition of the Odeon so people can shoe gaze at the beck running underneath the planned New Victoria Place. Certainly not an option. The beck as it is, is visible from Ingleby Road and can be seen around the back of the Odeon and near some mills by the college not far from Thornton Road. In fact I came across an Urban Exploration report of the underground Bradford Beck system. Here's the upload:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_d...7608568527268/


In fact part of the underground water system also forms part of the foundations for the city hall. I don't know how anyone would go about altering all this infrastructure.



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The plan is now to retain the court building for the short term at least, and demolish half of the police station as it contains the cells which are used for the court and various other rooms. The blank wall which will come as a result as this will become a "green wall", effectively a wall with plants stuck on it to cover it up.

The court building's future will be considered as part of a phase 2 for the mirror pool which isn't even being thought about yet. It was originally envisaged for this area to become a "business forest", the economic climate has put this in doubt.

Finally the plans for mirror pool have advanced from those renders and drawings posted above, one of the new features is a media pod with stilts which is connected to a some new buildings via a bridge which lifts up and down.
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I have access to a number of drawings on mirror pool so I will be able to get some scans soon, it's another trendy word and is basically a massive TV screen, but containing events facilities such as changing rooms, lighting rooms etc. It looks like a large semi-transparent drum on a tripod and will be lit in various colours. Access to it will be gained from a bridge which lowers from the side of the drum to the new "summerhouse" style buildings
How did you find all this out or have access to this? Are there any links you know of with information about it? Scans of the drawings would be very appreciated. This could end up look a bit odd or half done to say the least.



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What the fuck is a 'BUSINESS FOREST' when it's at home?!
A marketing buzz word which basically means some offices and restaurants/cafe's/pubs/bars with some trees stuck around it.


Also found this on a website called Bradford Economy, details a bit about how the plans are progressing:

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The Mirror Pool project partners have put in place funding agreements to resource the development of the Park at the Heart scheme to the point at which the process of appointing the construction contractor can begin and the detailed design (Stage E) is now well underway. Gillespies who were the lead design consultants in the Lottery funded phase of activity have been appointed alongside EC Harris as Project Managers and Cost Consultants. A full design review was undertaken by the Project Team in June 2008 in response to the changed funding circumstances and to allow the opportunity for the design to be challenged and where possible improved. The basic design principles were still viewed to be world class but a number of changes were agreed to raise the quality of the design, ensure delivery within the proposed scheme budget and improve connectivity to the rest of the city centre. The project team are keen to learn from experiences both locally and beyond. In addition to a study trip to Sheffield the Project Team spent a day in London visiting schemes with similar elements and met the teams responsible for project development, delivery and maintenance. A number of key lessons learned have been incorporated into the Park at the Heart design and will result in cost savings in the design, build or maintenance of the scheme or will enhance the scheme in other ways.
http://bradfordeconomy.com/projects/...pool_city_park
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The plan is now to retain the court building for the short term at least, and demolish half of the police station as it contains the cells which are used for the court and various other rooms. The blank wall which will come as a result as this will become a "green wall", effectively a wall with plants stuck on it to cover it up.
The problem is, the phrase 'short term' could mean anything up to 20 years in Bradford. Sorry for sounding so cynical but it just feels that we're going to end up with yet another half-arsed job here.
I've just noticed that one of the images Dan posted last October shows the Magistrate's Court and half of the police station building being retained:

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It seems to show Centenary Square itself is being left alone too, so effectively all that's happening is that Market St/Centenary Square/Channing Way is being closed, and the area in front of the court building is extended with the Mirror Pool plonked in the middle.

Obviously the 'Business Forest' (I know, it's a laughable term) isn't going to happen anytime soon... but it seems pointless to try and do something with only half the site.
It strikes me that the council and BCR are just desperate to get some kind of scheme off the ground though, when there are so many other things that need doing in the city centre alot more urgently.

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There are plenty of plans to unveil the Beck once more as part of this Canal/Water Feature scheme which the Channel Urban Village is also a part of. I believe the river is polluted though, and would need some check on it. The plans though would also seem to involve the demolition of the Odeon so people can shoe gaze at the beck running underneath the planned New Victoria Place. Certainly not an option. The beck as it is, is visible from Ingleby Road and can be seen around the back of the Odeon and near some mills by the college not far from Thornton Road. In fact I came across an Urban Exploration report of the underground Bradford Beck system. Here's the upload:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/phill_d...7608568527268/


In fact part of the underground water system also forms part of the foundations for the city hall. I don't know how anyone would go about altering all this infrastructure.
I've read somewhere that the Beck is still badly polluted too. In fact, I think there are 'Danger - Contaminated Water' signs next to it where it emerges along side Canal Road in Shipley.
God knows how it could still be polluted now... it's not like there's been any heavy industry dumping waste it in for a while.
Still, it would be nice to see it opened up again.
Those vaults near City Hall are amazing, there are some more pics here:

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...light=bradford

The guys who get down there must be mad!
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The problem is, the phrase 'short term' could mean anything up to 20 years in Bradford. Sorry for sounding so cynical but it just feels that we're going to end up with yet another half-arsed job here.
I've just noticed that one of the images Dan posted last October shows the Magistrate's Court and half of the police station building being retained:

It seems to show Centenary Square itself is being left alone too, so effectively all that's happening is that Market St/Centenary Square/Channing Way is being closed, and the area in front of the court building is extended with the Mirror Pool plonked in the middle.

Obviously the 'Business Forest' (I know, it's a laughable term) isn't going to happen anytime soon... but it seems pointless to try and do something with only half the site.
It strikes me that the council and BCR are just desperate to get some kind of scheme off the ground though, when there are so many other things that need doing in the city centre alot more urgently.


I've read somewhere that the Beck is still badly polluted too. In fact, I think there are 'Danger - Contaminated Water' signs next to it where it emerges along side Canal Road in Shipley.
God knows how it could still be polluted now... it's not like there's been any heavy industry dumping waste it in for a while.
Still, it would be nice to see it opened up again.
Those vaults near City Hall are amazing, there are some more pics here:

http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...light=bradford

The guys who get down there must be mad!

You're right about the images I posted, these images confirm it, and show what Tomd89 was on about:









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sturgeonnortharchitects our part of a team including Gillespies and Arups working up proposals for the new ‘city park’ within the centre of Bradford.

The scheme, inspired by Will Alsops’ masterplan, aims to redefine Bradford and create an identifiable heart in the centre of the city. The proposals include a new lake, a concert venue, public facilities, the business forest, a new bus station, tourist information point as well as quality public open space. detail design will be completed september 2008...

...Media Pod

Part of the Mirror Pool City Park for Bradford, the Media Pod will be used during the week as a resource centre for local schools. The building and the park is seen as learning zone in the heart of the city. The building will also have links to the National Media Museum.
http://www.sturgeonnorth.com/

Found these on the Sturgeon North website (the same site I got the others off, must have been updated since), who are involved in the design and development of the project so this must be official and what's going forward, or at least planned to.

I wouldn't say it's pointless to do something with half the site, given at later stages the other planned builds can be put in place, just with the improved landscaping there already. I think by this happening it should reduce the amount of alterations to Centenary Square itself in regards to the tiling and grass beds being altered as in the original. They do still seem intent to remove two of the current grass patches though to make way for the mirror pool. Reducing the diameter and adjusting it slightly would probably mean you could fit it all in without the need for any major alterations to the landscaping and maintaining more greenery which a pool surface will only take away from.

I do like that little subterranean restaurant or cafe with greenery over the top, think it's a great idea. Don't mind the design of the Media Pod either, very dark and sleek, don't think much of the green stilts though, and how exactly are you meant to get in it?

I think that in times like this, the council and developers need to focus on what's possible. Landscaping certainly is, educational or arts associated projects probably are, but commercial and residential ventures are mainly out of the question at the minute. We can see that from all the 'on holds', visits to the administrators and lack of uptake from letters of all varieties. This is an improvement on what is there at the minute surrounding the Police Station and Law Courts, and segues between all the public spaces in that area. I personally have no problem with their being two major public spaces in the centre, but for this one to succeed further it needs something doing to Princes Way and Halls Ings, more than what is planned. Interestingly enough I came across this image on the gillespies site, also recently updated:



A very clear green landbridge on one of the earlier designs, coming from the National Media Museum. I guess this is derived from that former idea to have a long building protruding over Princes Way and connecting up to the media museum, probably long since abandoned. Princes Way could do with at least two of these if tunnelling the road is out of the question.

Some other renders and images from the gillespies website of the design as it was intended and some of the processes of development:



Glad they didn't repave centenary square, really don't like that sort of paving. What's wrong with the current slabs anyway? Also notice the height of the 'business forest', looked quite nice and tall. Also see the previous design of New Victoria Place on there to the right as well. Bit of a forgone conclusion from a non-directly related project though eh?



Excuse my cynicism, but the kind of festival scene you'd never see in Bradford.



previous design map.



A massive viewing gallery on top of City Hall? Were they serious? My god, leave that beautiful building alone.




Think this one shows the evolution to the present design & proposal.


Gillespies website:

http://www.gillespies.co.uk/#/showca...ark--bradford/


Reinstating the canal & beck could look nice, but it would be costly, and all that infrastructure, how would they reroute the water? The vaults are beautiful as well, wouldn't want them messing with them, especially given it's part of the foundations to City Hall. It's a shame no one gets to see it except of course urban explorers.


Tomd89, even though we've got some of the design images up now, if you can still post some copies that'd be great.
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