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Old November 3rd, 2008, 04:39 PM   #21
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But you can't consider Channelside part of DT because it isn't. Atlanta has Midtown and DT. Midtown has substantially larger percentage of housing units than DT, which is mainly office/retail/dining and GSU. Midtown and DT are split by that stupid kink 75 takes through the center of the city. Similarly, Channelside is divided from DT by the ConAgra plant, and that small railyard connection. Most of Channelsides development has been East of Meridian, so you have this natural 1/4 mile buffer between the edges of each area. Though it is close, it has always had a different feel to it than DT proper. Channelside should work well as a small residential community of singles and childless couples. Its never going to be thriving multi-generational community. Generally the units are too small, and those that are large enough to support a small family, are priced out of the range of most families. People look at us because we are contemplating moving to Midtown to live in Viewpoint, because the area isn't exactly kid friendly. The only reason we can contemplate it is because we only have one child, and we can afford the $18K a year for private school. Channelside is similar in that you are drawing off a small market, young single urban professions with decent incomes ($50K +). Retirees don't dream of moving to Florida to live in a 1000sf apartment.
Westshore Yacht Club shriveled due to lack of demand, and that has open water views, much larger unit sizes and is more in keeping with the desires of retirees. When it only takes 10minutes to get from Hyde Park or Palma Ceia or even So. of Gandy to DT, you don't have a real incentive to lure those young single professionals into small units when they can get 30%+ more that close.

I don't see why anyone should feel bad for what Channelside has developed into. You have a series of modern looking mid-rises, that will age well. Most of which are 1/2 empty and will probably underperform for the next 10years. Would you have preferred 30 stories instead of 5-8, that are 80% empty for perhaps the next 10 years? The area will improve, I watched DT StPete develop and it took 15-20 years.
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Old November 4th, 2008, 05:03 AM   #22
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Totally agree... I see nothing wrong with Channelside. There are identical communities all over the country with the same density as Channelside...
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 01:08 AM   #23
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Anything happen on the lot yet? Groundwork, already in construction? First post says that construction would be starting before the year ends.
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Old December 23rd, 2008, 02:07 AM   #24
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Anything happen on the lot yet? Groundwork, already in construction? First post says that construction would be starting before the year ends.
I found this:

Plans call for starting construction in the first quarter of 2009 and opening the Hotel Indigo during the second quarter of 2010.
Towards the bottom of this page, which also describes the hotel a bit more:
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Luxury Hotel Opens In St. Pete In Time For Super Bowl
By TED JACKOVICS | The Tampa Tribune
Published: January 31, 2009

Inside The Indigo Hotel

The Indigo Hotel in St. Petersburg, the latest in a national boutique chain of luxury hotels that place a strong focus on aesthetics and ambiance, opened this morning in time for Super Bowl guests.

The 76-room hotel has been converted from the Heritage Hotel at 234 Third Ave. N. in downtown St. Petersburg.

Developed by Tampa-based BayStar Hotel Group, which invested $3 million into renovations, the Indigo is managed by Diana Colletti, who was BayStar corporate director of sales.

The property will officially fly the Indigo flag on Feb. 27. However, it opened today with a rate of $199.95 a night, with a three-day minimum to accommodate Super Bowl and other weekend visitors.

More than 20 Indigos are in operation in the United States, Canada and Great Britain.

More than a dozen are in development, including one by BayStar that is scheduled to open in 2010 in Tampa's Channelside district.

Reporter Ted Jackovics can be reached at (813) 259-7817.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 08:16 PM   #26
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Love the photos! Nice lap of luxury in this place!
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Old February 1st, 2009, 12:23 PM   #27
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I highly doubt that the Hotel Indigo slated for Channelside will open in 2010. If it does, it will be LATE 2010.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 08:14 PM   #28
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Recession stalls Tampa Bay area hotel projects
By Steve Huettel and Mike Brassfield, Times Staff Writers
In Print: Sunday, March 22, 2009

Tampa entrepreneur Kiran Patel promised a landmark beachfront resort for Clearwater Beach. But the best he could deliver this month was a paved parking lot for spring breakers.

St. Petersburg officials who ache for a new luxury hotel downtown are still waiting, too. Developers of the long-delayed Grand Bohemian asked the city last month to give them three more years to start building on the weed-strewn lot next to Progress Energy's Florida headquarters.

Both ambitious projects stumbled a year before the economy soured. But the recession delivered a double whammy that largely shut down hotel construction in the Tampa Bay area and across the nation.

Along with other commercial lending, financing for large hotels dried up late last year. Meanwhile, the lodging industry struggles with sharp declines in business and vacation travel. That makes investors wary of putting money into hotel projects with uncertain prospects.

"This is causing many developers to retreat to the sidelines to await a bottoming in economic conditions and a thaw in the lending environment,'' according to a recent report by Lodging Econometrics of Portsmouth, N.H., which tracks hotel projects.

Nationally, the 279 construction starts in the last quarter of 2008 were the lowest since early 2006. More than 400 projects were canceled, the most Lodging Econometrics recorded since starting business in 1995.

Eleven Tampa Bay area projects were canceled or delayed last year, up from just six in 2007. Only eight broke ground, compared with 14 a year earlier.

"Bad projects will probably get abandoned,'' says George Glover, president of BayStar Hotel Group in Tampa, a hotel owner and developer. "Good projects with solid fundamentals will get done, but it'll be another year."

He knows firsthand. His company is developing a Hotel Indigo in Tampa's Channel District. When the city approved plans last fall, Glover predicted construction would start before year 'send, with the 168-room boutique hotel opening in early 2010.

But the lender wanted more equity in the $29 million project and required him to document everything in his business plan. The schedule now has groundbreaking set for late this year. It won't open until 2011.

In Tampa's West Shore area, MetLife doesn't have a time line for the 260-room upscale business hotel included in plans for the MetWest International development across from International Plaza.

Originally slated to open this summer, MetWest consists of a single office building and retail space. The other two office towers and the hotel are on hold until demand perks up. "We're conscious of what current market conditions are and are on a different timetable,'' said Christopher Breslin, a MetLife spokesman.

Clearwater city officials are anxious to see new hotels spring up to bolster tourist businesses on Clearwater Beach. Thousands of guest rooms disappeared over the past decade as mom-and-pop motels were razed to make room for gleaming condo towers.

"Instead of condos that are only occupied three or four months a year, we want hotel rooms that get fresh occupants weekly — with full wallets,'' says Mayor Frank Hibbard.

You can glimpse his vision from the lushly landscaped BeachWalk promenade, where construction moves ahead on the Aqualea Hyatt Resort. The 250-room condo hotel with a spa and high-end restaurant is scheduled to open its doors in December.

NJR Development nailed down financing before lending markets froze up last year. Two other major projects didn't and now are stalled.

A cardiologist and wealthy philanthropist, Patel asked the city in November for more time to get his $250 million Clearwater Beach Resort & Hotel on track. His partner, developer Related Group of Miami, hasn't been able to find a lender, he told the City Council.

Council member Paul Gibson griped that Patel was unable to get the project started after receiving city approval in 2004 "when money was available and flowing like water.''

Still, the city extended his deadline one year to 2011 to begin building the resort with 250 rooms and 200 time-share units. Patel agreed to put a paved parking lot on the site, which had become overgrown with weeds.

In October, the city green-lighted another developer's plans for a dramatic-looking, crescent-shaped hotel where the old Adam's Mark hotel once stood.

Ocean Properties, an international developer that operates more than 100 hotels, showed detailed engineering plans for a 15-story, 230-room hotel with a restaurant, bar and five-story garage. That was the last the city heard from Ocean, said Michael Delk, Clearwater's planning director.

The company has until October 2011 to apply for construction permits, he said. Ocean officials didn't return calls for comment.

The Kessler Enterprise, developer of the Grand Bohemian in St. Petersburg, blamed the economy for the hotel's delay. Its lender put a moratorium on hotel financing and can't even guess when the clouds might lift, the company wrote city officials last month.

A few smaller hotel projects are moving ahead.

Decade Properties will use cash to build a 108-room Holiday Inn Express near Pier 60 in Clearwater Beach. It's nice to not have to rely on jittery lenders, said owner Jeff Keierleber. Isn't he worried about opening a new property — even if it's not until late 2010 — if the economy still stinks?

"If you didn't have some trepidation, you wouldn't be sane,'' says Keierleber, who owns the Clearwater Beach Holiday Inn. "But we appeal to a different customer. We're not the high-end guy on the block.''

Steve Huettel can be reached at [email protected] or (813) 226-3384.


Now, I wouldn't be surprised if construction started sooner than the end of the year, I would say we might see construction come July/August. Hopefully this just doesn't die and end up in the graveyard.
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Last edited by TampaMike; March 23rd, 2009 at 08:25 PM. Reason: Found article I was looking for.
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