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[shugs]

Originally Posted by humodoide

I don't want to be a scum, but where is the honor to take a old Peugeot Sedan-206 body (that IKCo get the license to produce) and declare it's a new car just by replacing the bumpers and the lights.

^Well you are not wrong, I said something similar a couple of pages back. My opinion on this is that the 206 SD had very small sales figures to what was expected when Peugeot gave IKCO the go ahead to manufacture it. Bare in mind the 206 SD design i.e. the original 206 modified into a Sedan was designed by IKCO. The small sales figures must have justified the redesign, re-badge, new Iranian made/designed engine, and the hype surrounding a new 'national car' to make some sales.

As for replacing bumpers and lights to make a 'new car'... Rover did it for over 15 years, look at where they ended up ... The lights and overall design does look like it is imitating the Volvo C30.

[Daryae_Abi]

Originally Posted by humodoide

I don't want to be a scum, but where is the honor to take a old Peugeot Sedan-206 body (that IKCo get the license to produce) and declare it's a new car just by replacing the bumpers and the lights.

Not exactly true brother
because it uses the national motor and not a peugeot motor
Samand use to use the Peugeot 405 motor but they switched to the national motor

[humodoide]

Today the only available engine is the Peugeot TU5 engine (1.6 cc) that is used in 206. The national engine (EF7 - 1.7 cc) seems too big, and IKCo has some difficulties to put it in (reliable source from IKCo itself).
The second national engine (EF4 - 1.4 cc) is in progress, but it's going to be ready in 2 or 3 years.

So only the TU5 engine is going to be available when IKCo is going to launch the car on march 2010.

[iman08]

in 2008 they said EF4 will be unveiled in 2008, so in 2010 it could be that they sell it with the national EF4 engine or they sell it in 2011 with the national engine. I think we should wait until 2010... . I don't understand why it takes so long to be mass produced?? - until then the car is old... .

[humodoide]

Yes. Wait and see.
Anyway, it's not the first time IKCo or Saipa unveiled something they are not ready to produced. They did a lot of advertisements about EF7 engine 2 years ago, but they produced less of 1 500 cars (out of 600 000 produced by IKco) with this engine in last year.

[Gag Halfrunt]

Originally Posted by Rahmani

I wonder what the price of the 207 will be in Iran. In Europe the 206 was he huge success, mostly because it was affordable. The 207 was a failure in comparison, because it was 20%-30% more expensive, while other car manufactures where building cars with a lower price tag.

The Iran Khodro news release says "In comparison with Peugeot 206...Peugeot 207 is given a facelift including changes in the saloon, lights, and interior design and trim..." so I suspect that they will be making the Brazilian 207, which is just a restyled 206.

[iman08]

Originally Posted by humodoide

Yes. Wait and see.
Anyway, it's not the first time IKCo or Saipa unveiled something they are not ready to produced. They did a lot of advertisements about EF7 engine 2 years ago, but they produced less of 1 500 cars (out of 600 000 produced by IKco) with this engine in last year.

Yes, but IKCO is much better than SAIPA. I hate SAIPA, because it "just" produces the Kia Pride which is one of the unsafest and worst cars worldwide! Now it has unveiled the "second national car", which I think is almost like the Kia Pride.... . However I hope the produce good "national" cars in the future while I think that IKCO is much closer to my optimum than SAIPA.

[Rahmani]

Originally Posted by Gag Halfrunt

The Iran Khodro news release says "In comparison with Peugeot 206...Peugeot 207 is given a facelift including changes in the saloon, lights, and interior design and trim..." so I suspect that they will be making the Brazilian 207, which is just a restyled 206.

So its not going to be the 207, but the 206+. Which would explain why the price would not go up. It is just a facelift.

[iman08]

here is the official website of the national car: Runna (X12-Project)
website-link: www.runna.ir

[humodoide]

So, according to the website, only the Peugeot TU5 engine is going to be available for its launch.

I believed the EF7 is 150 hp (according previous IKCo announcement) !? And now it seems less powerful than a TU5 (max torque and speed) ??

Ahhhgh "Propaganda" !!!!!! They shouldn't do that, they lose their credibility

[iman08]

yes, I thought EF7 would be better than TU5, but now I know that it is worse than TU5. What was the name of the national engine which has the highest power of gas Engines worldwide? However this engine would be good and the EF7 and EF4 aren't so different than the TU5. But fortunately they are going to build more powerful engines in the (near) future. The EF4 and EF7 are very good steps for IKCO to produce very powerful engines. But I have heard that the EF4 and EF7 exhaust very less - and that is very good especially for the pollution in Iran (mostly in the big cities).

[Herbicide]

This car would be soo ideal for the Turkish market! Read today on PressTV that they want to release it sooner there:

The Iran Khodro Company will begin exporting its newly introduced car, Runna, to Turkey by July, IKCO's Turkish distributor says.

The third all-Iranian car Runna was introduced by the Middle East's largest automaker last week.

The Anatolia news agency quoted MYS Otomotiv manager Yigit Seskir as saying that the new Iranian car would be offered with different options and engines in Turkey.

IKCO says the compact car meets Euro IV and V standards which deal with air pollution and the pedestrian impact safety requirements.

Runna comes with an efficient 1.6-liter fuel-injected engine, SRS airbags, anti-lock brakes with EBA & EBD, power steering, and power windows and side-view mirrors.

Iran Khodro already exports the country's first national vehicle, Samand, to countries such as Turkey, Belarus, Russia, Syria, Tajikistan and Venezuela.

http://www.presstv.ir/new/detail.asp...onid=351020102

Im thinking inparticular that it would be an ideal fit to compete with the Fiat Palio, Hyundai Accent and Renault Logan for taxis in Turkey.

[Shapoor]

Great news guys, SAIPA and PARS KHODRO have revealed 4 new cars


Nissan Teana

Nissan Qashqai

Renault Megan







Well, not the best, but still better than nothing

[Rahmani]

This thing is going to sell well in Iran.


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Iran needs more modern, but affordible cars, and none of the 4 are really that.

They should also start selling the Toyota Aygo, Peugeot 107, Hyundai i10, Daihatsu Sirion2, Dacia Sandero and KIA cee'd. Or rebranded version of them for the Iranian market.

[Shapoor]

Originally Posted by Rahmani

This thing is going to sell well in Iran.


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Iran needs more modern, but affordible cars, and none of the 4 are really that.

They should also start selling the Toyota Aygo, Peugeot 107, Hyundai i10, Daihatsu Sirion2, Dacia Sandero and KIA cee'd. Or rebranded version of them for the Iranian market.

I agree. But you see, Iranians are not big fans of small hatchback cars, they're a bit *American*. They only drive a small car if there's nothing else available.

[iman08]

The SAIPA 111 is somehow ugly... . The other cars are pretty good, but they are foreign cars... . The cars which SAIPA produces itself aren't really good cars. I prefer Iran Khodro, because it produces better cars -especially the national cars. SAIPA produces the Kia Pride and now changes the outlook of the car a bit and present it as SAIPA 111. SAIPA 141, Miniator (which is a bit more changed..) etc. . They should build a good car themselves which is not exactly like the Kia Pride. When the Runna comes to market with the price they said, then nobody buys the Pride, because the price would be the same, but the quality and everything else from the Runna would be better.

[shugs]

Originally Posted by Shapoor

I agree. But you see, Iranians are not big fans of small hatchback cars, they're a bit *American*. They only drive a small car if there's nothing else available.

You really think so? I always considered hatchbacks European small run-arounds... while American cars are big sedans and 4x4, the popularity of hatchbacks in the US has been brought about by recent high fuel prices and concern for the environment.

[Shapoor]

Originally Posted by shugs

You really think so? I always considered hatchbacks European small run-arounds... while American cars are big sedans and 4x4, the popularity of hatchbacks in the US has been brought about by recent high fuel prices and concern for the environment.

If you look at any street in Tehran you'll see that the 206 is one of the only popular hatchbacks currently produced, people prefer sedans more imo

[shugs]

ohhh you mean that Iranians are American in their taste for big cars... sorry misunderstood lol

[Persan]

Iran, Daewoo strike bus deal
FORBES | April 30, 2009

South Korean bus manufacturer Daewoo Bus Corp. and an Iranian company have teamed up to build buses in Iran, the official Iranian news agency and a Daewoo Bus official said Thursday. The agreement comes as U.S. lawmakers weigh even deeper economic sanctions on Iran in a bid to pressure the country to halt uranium enrichment and abandon its controversial nuclear program.

Saeed Khademi, the director of Iranian automaker Ardebil Sabalan Khodrow-Maywan, said Wednesday the two firms would build a $30 million factory by next March in Ardebil, about 370 miles (600 kilometers) northwest of the capital, Tehran. The plant, which is slated to be completed by March 2010, would have a production capacity of 2,000 buses per year and would produce some 800 city and intercity buses in the 18 months after its inauguration, Iran's official news agency IRNA quoted Khademi as saying Thursday.

Based on the agreement, the engines and gearboxes would be manufactured in South Korea. But production would increasingly shift to Iran, where about 60 percent of the parts would be made, IRNA said. J.G. Yang, a Daewoo Bus official in charge of the firm's Middle East exports, said the company plans initially to supply completed buses built in South Korea but will later send components that will be assembled into complete buses in Iran.

The venture comes as U.S. lawmakers are looking at stiffening existing sanctions on Iran to pressure the country to halt uranium enrichment, which can produce fuel for a nuclear reactor or fissile material for a bomb. The U.S. suspects Iran is using its nuclear program as a covert way to develop weapons - a claim denied by Tehran. The proposal before U.S. lawmakers would penalize foreign oil firms and shippers that do business with Iran. However, past sanctions have failed to change Iran's behavior, and the hard-line government has been reaching out to international companies with promises of lucrative oil contracts and other business deals.

Iran shrugged off the U.S. move as "psychological warfare."

"Americans know better than anyone that sanctions have no impact on Iran," state television quoted Seifollah Jashnsaz, head of state-owned National Iranian Oil Company, as saying Thursday.

Although the second largest oil producer among OPEC countries, Iran still has to import oil to meet domestic needs because it lacks enough refining capacity. Yang said he saw no problem for Daewoo Bus in doing business in Iran since most of the components for the buses are supplied by South Korean companies. He said more than 100 Daewoo buses were assembled in Iran under a previous agreement with a company there.

Daewoo Bus has 10 factories in South Korea, China, Taiwan, Costa Rica, Kazakhstan, Vietnam and Pakistan, Yang said. Some are operated independently by Daewoo and others with joint venture partners. The company was once part of the Daewoo Group conglomerate, which collapsed under massive debt following the 1997-98 Asian financial crisis

Iran annually needs some 4,000 buses for its domestic transportation. Since the 1970s, Iran has been producing a number of different buses, such as German Mercedes and Mann as well as Swedish Scania and Volvo that it has exported throughout the Middle East.