[INDONESIA] Talk about neighbours

[d'sulovyo]

Originally Posted by daeng_jal

mind you that 70 years ago there is no such thing as INDONESIA. based on the common law, mane boleh a non existing entity have any asset or enter an agreement. because it simply did not exist....

so theres is no need for references to indonesia as as these cultural stuff is NOT owned by INDONESIA, it is own by that particular etnic group and we have done that (the references).... so aper lagi yang tak puas hati???

Daeng,you have to be more comprehensive in studying the history of other country.
Daeng,bila teragak-agak pasal history lain negara sila kau buat soalan kat cikgu kau lar.xyah banyak cakap pasal history Indonesia bila kau tak paham betul ngan pasal tu.

Okay you may say that 70 years a go there is no Indonesia as a sovereign nation.but yes,70 years ago there is Indonesia as the nation entity.
in the year 1928 which is more than 80 years ago!!! many elements in Indonesia,such as Jong Java,Jong Sumatera,Jong Celebes,Jong Ambon,even Chinese and Arabic youth united and declare the Sumpah Pemuda (youth oath) in October 1928 Which one of it verse reads: We are sons and daughters of Indonesia claimed one nation, the Indonesian nation.
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumpah_Pemuda


so you're wrong if you say 70 years a go, Indonesia does not exist.
we're already exist as a nation enthity my dear friend.sory to say but we are -Indonesia nation- has existed since we called the "East Indies", or even since the days of the Majapahit kingdom or perhaps even longer than that.
http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majapahit

Originally Posted by daeng_jal

javanese culture is owned by the javanese races not indonesia (which was make up with a lot of other races). by saying javanese culture as an indonesian culture you are actually robing the javanese.

come on,puhh..liiisssss.......what a weird statement.
Daeng,you can't say by admitting Javanese culture as the culture of Indonesia then Indonesia robing javanesse culture.very strange statement of you.
Javanese originated from the Java Island and last time I check the island of Java still reside in Indonesia territory.
or other simple example, if Australia government said that boomerang belong to Australia then does it mean Australia has robbed aboriginal culture????

I'am javanese and I'm proud javanesse culture enriched Indonesian culture along with houndreds of another -Indonesia archiplelago originated- cultures.

[firdaus]

stop arguing about this natural creature. Its up to them la nak tumbuh kat mne Indo ke Malay. Kok lebih baik jika dibandingkan pencapaian kedua-dua negara tetangga ini dalam modern archiving supaya bisa jadi lebih maju. Malu aja sama bangsa asing.

[DanangSuthoWijoyo]

Kalo gini ga kan pernah kelar2 masalahnya......
Aku sebagai orang jogja lebih mengikuti sikap Sultan IX..

Saat ditemui di sela-sela peresmian SDN Kalongan Maguwoharjo Depok, Rabu (5/12), Gubernur DIY Sri Sultan HB X mengaku belum tahu persis motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ yang sudah dipatenkan Malaysia tersebut. ”Saya belum pernah melihat motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ yang dipatenkan Malaysia itu. Apakah sama dengan motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Yogyakarta atau tidak. Jadi saya belum bisa berkomentar banyak. Namun yang jelas, batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Yogyakarta sudah dipatenkan di Indonesia,” tegasnya. Saat didesak apakah akan mengambil sikap kalau memang motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ dipatenkan Malaysia, Sultan mengaku akan lihat-lihat dulu. ”Kalau memang batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Malaysia itu dipatenkan hanya untuk di Malaysia sendiri ya tak masalah. Seperti halnya batik ‘Parang Rusak’ Yogyakarta yang sudah dipatenkan di Indonesia,” ujarnya. Namun demikian, lanjut Sultan, akan lain masalahnya kalau Malaysia mempatenkan motif batik ‘Parang Rusak’ itu ke tingkat dunia. ”Kalau itu yang dilakukan, tentu masalahnya akan lain. Sepanjang paten itu hanya berlaku untuk Malaysia, ya tak masalah,” tandasnya.

Hal itu juga berlaku untuk budaya yang lain..(kalau menurutku lho)..dan sejauh ini Malaysia juga belum mematenkan budaya jawa secara internasional...kalo iya..Sultan pasti tau....Menteri Pertahanan Malaysia kan orang Jogja ...dan masih hormat dengan Sultan...buktinya waktu sang menteri mau berakhir masa jabatanya dia berkunjung ke Jogja menemui Sultan..

Budaya Jawa pasti adalah dari pulau jawa..dan pulau jawa adalah bagian dari negara Indonesia...seluruh dunia juga tau....jadi jangan di permasalahkan...akan menjadi debat kusir

Orang jawa melestarikan budayanya di negeri orang menurutku ga masalah...apa kita bisa melarang orang jawa yang tinggal di malaysia untuk maen wayang??? ga kan??

yang jadi masalah jika itu di klaim sebagai budaya dimana org itu tinggal...dalam kasus ini di Malaysia..

dan bukti bahwa mereka mengklaim budaya Jawa adalah dengan memantenkannya...dan soal paten...saat ini malaysia belum memantenkannya... so sapa yang bilang Malaysia mengklaim budaya jawa sebagai milik mereka?? Kita jangan asal menuduh kalau tidak ada bukti...

Cuma, banyak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia yang menggunakan budaya jawa untuk promosi...nah ini yang harus menjadi point penting....

Seharusnya Malaysia menegur mereka itu...selama ini cuma membiarkan...mungkin seperti cuci tangan.. kalo ga dipermasalahkan....malaysia untung....kalo dipermasalahkan Malaysia bisa cuci tangan.....dan menyalahkan pihak ketiga...

Ini yang harus dipermasalahkan oleh pemerintah kita.....

[rilham2new]

TIdak ... tidak ada budaya Indonesia yang dipatenkan, kalaupun ada .. palingan cuman "corak" itupun yang spesifik dan entitas asli doank. Diklaim secara "resmi" juga tidak. Kata "klaim" itu istilah propaganda aja tuh dari media Indonesia, biar lebih kedengaran bombastis dan keren, soalnya kalau mencuri konon katanya terlalu kasar.

Soalnya takaran budaya Jawa/entitas Indonesia yang konon kata media di Indonesia di-"klaim" Malaysia, itu tidak terlihat dalam MAINSTREAM Malaysian Society (as I experienced here). Ini baru terlihat kalau kita bicara TOURISM INDUSTRY (which is clearly about money-money-&-money) .... Cuman terlihat di iklan2 juga, kalau lihat ON-THE-SITE mah biasa2 aja kalau yang saya lihat, gak dalam level heboh2 amat, malah kalau diplototin, perbedaannya ada kok dari yang biasa saya lihat di Indonesia (well gak semua.. tapi ada lah.._). Di Malaysia, banyak juga kok orang Jawa dari Indonesia (biasanya "cari makan"), merekanya biasa-biasa aja tuh. MUngkin, karena mereka melihat dari Malaysian perspectives juga, makanya emosinya gak mudah terbakar.

Nah, ini bedanya sama yang dilihat dari Indonesia ( HIGHLY-MEDIA-CONTROLLED PERSPECTIVE ). Lihat deh model2 berita2 di Indonesia yang jadi NATIONAL-INTEREST
1. PONARI, Bocah Rese'
2. Super-Gay serial-killer
3. Total-Drama-Queen Manohara
4. WHiners' private letters going NATIONAL ISSUE (namely PRITA MULYASARI)
5. The charming ANTASARI AZHAR and RANI JULIANI ..

Ahh,, I'm wondering Was that topic even headline-worthed ??? Believe me, it represents our media these days.... Putting aside BOMBING and PRESIDENTIAL/PARLIMENTARY ELECTION.

Kalau menurut saya, berhubung masalah ini munculnya dalam entitas yang terlihat pada TOURISM sector.. Seharusnya ini sih kerjaan orang2 ahli (budayawan, mungkin??) dan mungkin inter-government bodies/ministries. Sedihnya, masalah2 ginian jadi "ruang publik" (karena "blow-up" media)... publik "berpura-pura" mengerti, parahnya mengerti melalui perspektif media. Dan parahnya sebagian besar dari "publik" ini, baru merasa nasionalismenya terangsang di saat seperti ini. Istilah kerennya, "bangsa yang reaktif", mungkin? Tidak banyak yang benar2 mengerti mengenai masalah ini secara spesifik (saya juga, tidak ... tapi saya cuman berusaha melihat dari 2 perspektif berbeda) kebanyakan cuman ikut-ikutan. Dan herannya, Indonesia yang biasanya minder abiss dalam pergaulan internasional, tiba2 jadi CHAUVINISTIC dan penganut HOLLIER THAN THOU (jika dan hanya jika kalau "Internasional" yang dimaksud adalah "Malaysia").

Malaysia melihat masalah secara berbeda karena mungkin media nya juga , yang dikontrol habis-habisan sama pemerintahnya. Which is, sama tidak baiknya.

Mengenai mana yang benar, memang tidak ada yang lebih baik dari everyone of us should put on each other shoes.

[d'sulovyo]

Originally Posted by DanangSuthoWijoyo

Kalo gini ga kan pernah kelar2
Cuma, banyak perusahaan pariwisata swasta malaysia yang menggunakan budaya jawa untuk promosi...nah ini yang harus menjadi point penting....

Seharusnya Malaysia menegur mereka itu...selama ini cuma membiarkan...mungkin seperti cuci tangan.. kalo ga dipermasalahkan....malaysia untung....kalo dipermasalahkan Malaysia bisa cuci tangan.....dan menyalahkan pihak ketiga...

Ini yang harus dipermasalahkan oleh pemerintah kita.....

you got the point.
ya,sememangnya itulah pasal yang membuat ramai orang Indonesia marah ngan Malaysia,Mas Danang.

Me as Indonesian do not mind if the original culture of Indonesian practiced in other countries.

I know there are bunchs of Javanese in Malaysia,Suriname or New Caledonia.Even in USA there are more than 100 of Javanese gamelan groups.
http://digitalmusics.dartmouth.edu/~...ectoryusa.html
but it's okay for us.go ahead learn and practice our culture.
We are not disturbed when other countries practicing our culture.

What makes Indonesia disturbed is when other countries began to take advantage of Indonesian culture for their own sake.

[World 2 World]

Pendet dance to be performed at Malaysia's tourism event

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...ism-event.html

Indonesian dancers will perform the controversial Balinese Pendet dance at one of the biggest tourism events in Malaysia later this week, an official said Wednesday.

"We will present an Indonesian cultural performance, that is, the Pendet dance at the Matta Fair 2009," Chrismiastutie, an official at the Indonesian Cultural and Tourism Ministry, told Antara news agency.

Malaysian Association of Tour and Travel Agents (Matta) Fair 2009 will run from Sept. 4 to Sept. 6.

The Pendet dance has drawn controversy following Malaysia's use of the dance in its tourism promotion ads. Indonesia has protested this use of the Pendet dance by Malaysia.

"We can use this forum [Matta Fair] to clarify [the ownership of] our Pendet dance," Chrismiastutie added.

In addition to Pendet, Indonesia will present other traditional dances, including Legong (also from Bali) and a Betawi dance.

Through tourism promotion in Malaysia, Chrismiastutie said that Indonesia should attract more tourists from Malaysia.

Last year, a total of 818,000 Malaysians visited Indonesia. As of July this year, 450,134 Malaysian tourists had visited Indonesia. This year, the number of Malaysian tourists visiting Indonesia is expected to reach 930,000.

[World 2 World]

Originally Posted by d'sulovyo

you got the point.
ya,sememangnya itulah pasal yang membuat ramai orang Indonesia marah ngan Malaysia,Mas Danang.

Me as Indonesian do not mind if the original culture of Indonesian practiced in other countries.

I know there are bunchs of Javanese in Malaysia,Suriname or New Caledonia.Even in USA there are more than 100 of Javanese gamelan groups.
http://digitalmusics.dartmouth.edu/~...ectoryusa.html
but it's okay for us.go ahead learn and practice our culture.
We are not disturbed when other countries practicing our culture.

What makes Indonesia disturbed is when other countries began to take advantage of Indonesian culture for their own sake.

Riyadi Suparno , The Jakarta Post , Jakarta | Thu, 08/27/2009 12:52 PM | Headlines

We Indonesians are simply overreacting in our response to Malaysia's use of the Balinese Pendet dance in promotional TV spots. We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother. And such responses will not help us become a better nation.

First, it was a small protest from a group of Balinese people, the rightful owner of the dance, then unfortunately it grew into a nationwide condemnation of Malaysia.

Just read the comments posted at www.thejakartapost.com or many other Internet forums discussing the issue, and you will easily find many condemnations from Indonesians against Malaysia, some even urging the government to ganyang (invade) Malaysia, invoking memories of the time Indonesia was in confrontation with Malaysia.

Unwisely, the government responded in the same way, with the tourism minister summoning the Malaysian embassy's top official and sending a letter of protest to his counterpart in Kuala Lumpur.

But it did not stop there. President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono joined the fray, calling on the Malaysian government to deal more carefully with "sensitive" cultural issues between the two countries.

Our responses have really gone too far. Just read this news from Antara: Diponegoro University (Undip), one of Indonesia's leading institutes of higher learning, has stopped admitting Malaysian students for the 2009-2010 academic year in an expression of "nationalism".

"We have done it as a concrete expression of our sense of nationalism," Undip rector Susilo Wibowo said Tuesday as quoted by Antara, after attending a ceremony to mark the induction of new students.

But we don't know the real reasons behind it. It could be because there were no Malaysian students applying to study at the university this academic year, which begins in July.

The point here is that we just overreacted to this issue, or worse, we tried to bully one of our closest neighbors.

Malaysia uses various Asian cultural expressions, especially Chinese and Indian, in its tourism campaign "Malaysia Truly Asia". China and India have never protested Malaysia's use of their cultural heritage in its tourism campaigns.

Why then are we so angry whenever Malaysia uses our cultural heritage, including the Pendet, batik and wayang in their tourism campaigns? In reality, though, Malaysia has never claimed the Pendet as their dance, batik as their craft or wayang as their performance.

These are Indonesian cultural expressions brought to Malaysia by the millions of Indonesians who moved there, mostly as migrant workers.

If it's an issue of rights, we don't have copyrights for most of our cultural products. Much, if not the majority of our cultural heritage, was created by our ancestors for the good of society and mankind.

For instance, many of our best classical Javanese gamelan compositions were written by anonymous composers. They were composed for the kings and the people, and the composers deliberately did not put their names there, much less copyrighted them.

Before Indonesia existed, anyone could play these compositions, even people from outside the Javanese kingdom. Now that Indonesia exists, does it mean nobody outside Indonesia can play and use them in their tourism campaigns, even if they have gamelan groups in their own countries?

Currently, hundreds of gamelan groups exist outside Indonesia. If they wish to promote their groups or if their country wishes to use these gamelan groups to promote tourism, they have every right to use gamelan images in their campaign.

Thus instead of getting angry or sending letter of protests or stopping admitting Malaysian students, we should be more positive and collaborate with the Malaysian government to promote our culture in that country.

When there are more Malaysians dancing the Pendet and playing the gamelan and to Indonesian pop songs, it will only mean more benefits, and not losses, to Indonesia. It will mean more commerce and tourism between the two countries.

Not only that, it would also strengthen cultural ties between the two nations.

Similarly, if Malaysia advertises more Indonesian cultural heritage, it would bring more benefits than losses to us.

Let says, Malaysia advertises the Pendet, and tourists go there because of the advertisement. There is a great chance these tourists will continue on to Bali to see the Pendet at its source. So it not only saves us precious advertising dollars - which we rarely ever spend anyway - but also brings in dollar from more tourist visits.

So let Malaysians dance our Pendet and play our wayang and advertise them. It will only do good things for us in Indonesia.

[d'sulovyo]

Originally Posted by World 2 World

Riyadi S-The Jakarta Post.
So let Malaysians dance our Pendet and play our wayang and advertise them. It will only do good things for us in Indonesia.

do good things dari hongkong

I dont thing so.I dont think it will do good things to Indonesia.
If I were foreigner tourist and found Pendet dance or Wayang show in Malaysia then I would not visiting Indonesia.I prefer Malaysia as tourist destination than Indonesia.

If I could found anything in Malaysia so why I should visiting Indonesia?.Malaysia has better facilities and infrastructure even better Malaysia is free from bombing teror.so visiting Indonesia is waste of money .

See,kalau begitu untungnya dikita bagian mana ya bung?toh airport yang dipakai airport mereka.airline yang dipakai airline mereka.hotel-hotel mereka.makan di resto mereka.pajak masuk ke mereka.belanja turis juga masuk ke devisa mereka.toh si tourist juga gak peduli itu kesenian asalnya dari mana.yang penting mereka bisa menikmati semuanya di Malaysia.dan satu kesan yang pasti,Malaysia memang Indah dan "anything is there".

gak tahu deh apa jadinya kalau semua orang Indonesia kayak Riyadi Suparno.kelihatannya sih mencerahkan tapi coba deh renungkan kembali mumpung masih belum lama agustusan nih

Riyadi mungkin lupa,kehebohan ini bukan hanya tiba-tiba muncul saat ini saja.
ini adalah sebuah akumulasi dari berbagai gangguan oleh Malaysia kepada negara kita.
-perebutan P Sipadan & Ligitan
-masalah penyiksaan TKI
-masalah patok perbatasan yang bergeser menjorok berkilo-kilo meter.
-masalah lagu rasa sayange,reog,batik dan angklung
-masalah pelanggaran perbatasan di Ambalat

dan kalau Riyadi bilang "We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother".oh please siapa yang membulli siapa?

kalau saya malah berfikir Malaysia itu seperti adik kita yang di masa lalu kita didik dan bantu dengan sabar dan saat ini adik kita menjadi kaya dan sukses.kita sih seneng2 aja punya adik yang sukses tapi makin kesini si adik makin "songong" kalau kata orang jakarta.

okay,what happen in UNDIP is too much for me but .but IMO we have the right to angry.

percaya deh kalau Malaysia anteng2 aja,kita juga asik2 aja kok.

[typhoonbringer]

Originally Posted by d'sulovyo

do good things dari hongkong

I dont thing so.I dont think it will do good things to Indonesia.
If I were foreigner tourist and found Pendet dance or Wayang show in Malaysia then I would not visiting Indonesia.I prefer Malaysia as tourist destination than Indonesia.

If I could found anything in Malaysia so why I should visiting Indonesia?.Malaysia has better facilities and infrastructure even better Malaysia is free from bombing teror.so visiting Indonesia is waste of money .

See,kalau begitu untungnya dikita bagian mana ya bung?toh airport yang dipakai airport mereka.airline yang dipakai airline mereka.hotel-hotel mereka.makan di resto mereka.pajak masuk ke mereka.belanja turis juga masuk ke devisa mereka.toh si tourist juga gak peduli itu kesenian asalnya dari mana.yang penting mereka bisa menikmati semuanya di Malaysia.dan satu kesan yang pasti,Malaysia memang Indah dan "anything is there".

gak tahu deh apa jadinya kalau semua orang Indonesia kayak Riyadi Suparno.kelihatannya sih mencerahkan tapi coba deh renungkan kembali mumpung masih belum lama agustusan nih

Riyadi mungkin lupa,kehebohan ini bukan hanya tiba-tiba muncul saat ini saja.
ini adalah sebuah akumulasi dari berbagai gangguan oleh Malaysia kepada negara kita.
-perebutan P Sipadan & Ligitan
-masalah penyiksaan TKI
-masalah patok perbatasan yang bergeser menjorok berkilo-kilo meter.
-masalah lagu rasa sayange,reog,batik dan angklung
-masalah pelanggaran perbatasan di Ambalat

dan kalau Riyadi bilang "We are acting like a big brother and bullying our younger brother".oh please siapa yang membulli siapa?

kalau saya malah berfikir Malaysia itu seperti adik kita yang di masa lalu kita didik dan bantu dengan sabar dan saat ini adik kita menjadi kaya dan sukses.kita sih seneng2 aja punya adik yang sukses tapi makin kesini si adik makin "songong" kalau kata orang jakarta.

okay,what happen in UNDIP is too much for me but .but IMO we have the right to angry.

percaya deh kalau Malaysia anteng2 aja,kita juga asik2 aja kok.

[Kopassus]

Good news for Malaysia:

Malaysia's First Submarine Is Now In Melaka Strait

KUALA LUMPUR -- The country's first submarine, KD Tunku Abdul Rahman (KD TAR), has arrived in the Strait of Melaka and is now heading towards Port Klang for the official welcoming ceremony Thursday.

Yang di-Pertuan Agong Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin and Sultan of Selangor Sultan Sharafuddin Idris Shah as well as Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak, Defence Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Zahid Hamidi, Chief of Defence Forces Tan Sri Azizan Ariffin and the chiefs navy, air force and army will attend the event.

Royal Malaysian Navy public relations officer Lt-Comm Masliza Maaris, when contacted, said members of the public would be able to watch the ceremony live through the "Hello On Two" programme on TV2 from 7.50am.

The KD TAR is captained by Commander Zulhelmy Ithnain and has 35 crew.

Masliza said the Scorpene submarine would be at the Pulau Indah naval base until Friday before sailing to RMN's base in Lumut.

KD TAR is scheduled to set sail for Sepanggar Bay near Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, where it will be permanently housed on Sept 17.

The submarine would also be displayed at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition 2009 (Lima '09) on Dec 1-5, she said.

The KD TAR arrived home after a 55-day journey starting July 11 from Toulon, France, and made port of calls in Jeddah, Djibouti and Cochin.

Malaysia purchased two Scorpene-class submarines at the cost of RM3.4 billion in 2002. They were jointly built by DCNS of France and Navantia of Spain.

Both submarines are named after the country's first and second prime ministers.

The country's second submarine, KD Tun Razak, which will be commissioned in October 2009, is expected to sail home in January next year and arrives two months later.

Scorpene, a conventional combat submarine, is equipped with six torpedo tubes where guided missiles can be launched simultaneously.

The submarine, with a 20 nautical knot speed, also has anti-aircraft missiles and anti-submarine torpedoes.

(Bernama)

[DanangSuthoWijoyo]

Originally Posted by d'sulovyo

What makes Indonesia disturbed is when other countries began to take advantage of Indonesian culture for their own sake.

You to bro....and its makes indonesia disturbed is when they "sell" indonesian culture as a tourism object...just to get more tourist without know the philoshopy of our culture...just for make money and money....a f***ing capitalism...

[DanangSuthoWijoyo]

Originally Posted by rilham2new

TIdak ... tidak ada budaya Indonesia yang dipatenkan, kalaupun ada .. palingan cuman "corak" itupun yang spesifik dan entitas asli doank. Diklaim secara "resmi" juga tidak. Kata "klaim" itu istilah propaganda aja tuh dari media Indonesia, biar lebih kedengaran bombastis dan keren, soalnya kalau mencuri konon katanya terlalu kasar.

Soalnya takaran budaya Jawa/entitas Indonesia yang konon kata media di Indonesia di-"klaim" Malaysia, itu tidak terlihat dalam MAINSTREAM Malaysian Society (as I experienced here). Ini baru terlihat kalau kita bicara TOURISM INDUSTRY (which is clearly about money-money-&-money) .... Cuman terlihat di iklan2 juga, kalau lihat ON-THE-SITE mah biasa2 aja kalau yang saya lihat, gak dalam level heboh2 amat, malah kalau diplototin, perbedaannya ada kok dari yang biasa saya lihat di Indonesia (well gak semua.. tapi ada lah.._). Di Malaysia, banyak juga kok orang Jawa dari Indonesia (biasanya "cari makan"), merekanya biasa-biasa aja tuh. MUngkin, karena mereka melihat dari Malaysian perspectives juga, makanya emosinya gak mudah terbakar.

Nah, ini bedanya sama yang dilihat dari Indonesia ( HIGHLY-MEDIA-CONTROLLED PERSPECTIVE ). Lihat deh model2 berita2 di Indonesia yang jadi NATIONAL-INTEREST
1. PONARI, Bocah Rese'
2. Super-Gay serial-killer
3. Total-Drama-Queen Manohara
4. WHiners' private letters going NATIONAL ISSUE (namely PRITA MULYASARI)
5. The charming ANTASARI AZHAR and RANI JULIANI ..

Ahh,, I'm wondering Was that topic even headline-worthed ??? Believe me, it represents our media these days.... Putting aside BOMBING and PRESIDENTIAL/PARLIMENTARY ELECTION.

Kalau menurut saya, berhubung masalah ini munculnya dalam entitas yang terlihat pada TOURISM sector.. Seharusnya ini sih kerjaan orang2 ahli (budayawan, mungkin??) dan mungkin inter-government bodies/ministries. Sedihnya, masalah2 ginian jadi "ruang publik" (karena "blow-up" media)... publik "berpura-pura" mengerti, parahnya mengerti melalui perspektif media. Dan parahnya sebagian besar dari "publik" ini, baru merasa nasionalismenya terangsang di saat seperti ini. Istilah kerennya, "bangsa yang reaktif", mungkin? Tidak banyak yang benar2 mengerti mengenai masalah ini secara spesifik (saya juga, tidak ... tapi saya cuman berusaha melihat dari 2 perspektif berbeda) kebanyakan cuman ikut-ikutan. Dan herannya, Indonesia yang biasanya minder abiss dalam pergaulan internasional, tiba2 jadi CHAUVINISTIC dan penganut HOLLIER THAN THOU (jika dan hanya jika kalau "Internasional" yang dimaksud adalah "Malaysia").

Malaysia melihat masalah secara berbeda karena mungkin media nya juga , yang dikontrol habis-habisan sama pemerintahnya. Which is, sama tidak baiknya.

Mengenai mana yang benar, memang tidak ada yang lebih baik dari everyone of us should put on each other shoes.

Yeah...i agree with you bro...

[David-80]

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

[castle_92]

Originally Posted by DanangSuthoWijoyo

You to bro....and its makes indonesia disturbed is when they "sell" indonesian culture as a tourism object...just to get more tourist without know the philoshopy of our culture...just for make money and money....a f***ing capitalism...

Agreed 100%

[rizalhakim]

Originally Posted by David-80

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

di tv malaysia everyday ada visit indonesia... mari pergi jakartala, bandungla, jogjala, makassarla semuanya visit indonesia.....

[d'sulovyo]

Originally Posted by DanangSuthoWijoyo

You to bro....and its makes indonesia disturbed is when they "sell" indonesian culture as a tourism object...just to get more tourist without know the philoshopy of our culture...just for make money and money....a f***ing capitalism...

what do you mean with "they" Nang?
talking about philosophy,do you think Malaysian know the philosophy of kuda lumping,reog ponorogo,wayang kulit or angklung before they promoted it as their culture?
do you think they know the story of angklung or wayang kulit?and do you think they know the story of "bujang anom" before they showed the barongan dance/reog ponorogo as their culture?

I'ts all about take the chance and Malaysia know how to take it.

talking about get more tourist and make money,whats wrong with that?
do you think Indonesia is wrong when attract tourist with their own culture?

come on Nang,Singapore do it,Thailand do it,even Malaysia do it harder.They do anything to get more tourist.and when it comes to Indonesia its become a sin gitu?.yang bener aja lu Nang.

and whats wrong with making money and money?toh semua juga bagi kemaslahatan bangsa sendiri.is it wrong kalau anak bangsa kita sendiri mendapat keuntungan dari datangnya turis?

so misal ketika banyak turis datang ke negeri kita,membeli kerajinan hasil karya perajin kita dan perajin kita mendapat keuntungan lalu apakah semua itu salah?lalu kalau devisa negara dari bidang pariwisata kita meningkat apakah itu salah?

[d'sulovyo]

btw,saya lebih respek sama anak-anak muda yang mengambil langkah nyata di "Indonesian Archipelago Culture Initiatives" daripada sama orang2 yang sibuk mencaci bangsa sendiri.
mereka di IACI ga hanya bicara tapi mereka beraksi dengan menggali dan mendata sejumlah kekayaan budaya di seluruh kepulauan Indonesia.
http://budaya-indonesia.org/iaci/Halaman_Utama

Saya pribadi sangat apresiatif dengan langkah nyata tersebut. Selain
itu, saya menghimbau kepada rekan-rekan sekalian untuk membantu
perjuangan anak muda ini agar kisah Lagu rasa sayange,reog,wayang kulit dsb tidak terulang kembali.

Setidaknya ada 2 bantuan yang dapat kita berikan untuk perjuangan tersebut:

1. Mendukung upaya perlindungan budaya Indonesia secara hukum.
2. Mendukung proses pendataan kekayaan budaya Indonesia.
Jadi, jika temen-temen memiliki koleksi gambar, lagu atau
video tentang budaya Indonesia, mohon upload ke situs PERPUSTAKAAN
DIGITAL BUDAYA INDONESIA, dengan alamat http://budaya-indonesia. org/

[d'sulovyo]

Originally Posted by hand15

just like any immigrants in United States could practice their own culture, but never do the United States government have their culture shown in the tourism ad, instead their government show cowboy and indian culture with contemporary american culture originated there.


Its the tourism ad that matters, essentially tourism is all about uniqueness of culture that originated from the place being promoted. You can't promotes someting that aren't originated from those place, just like Taiwan can't use Chinese Peking Opera in their tourism ad because peking Opera does not originated from Taiwan but Beijing although a lot of Chinese Mainlanders immigrate to Taiwan in the 18-19th centuries

100% agree with hand15.

[tollfreak]

Originally Posted by David-80

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

agree 100% yang visit jakarta juga disiarin nya kebanyakan di Tv2 lokal

[d'sulovyo]

Originally Posted by David-80

gini aja....

yuk, kita lestarikan budaya kita....mari kita cintai budaya kita sendiri...

untuk pemerintah....

Mana iklan pariwisata nya? gua nonton CNBC dari jam 9 ampe pagi subuh...nemu iklan indonesia ga ada...yg ada malah visit malaysia sama amazing thailand...gimana orang lain mau tau budaya kita, kalo pariwisata aja ga pernah di iklanin?

kalo ada pun...malah enjoy jakarta..yg intinya...Golfing...fishing....shopping...

mana budaya kita sendiri?

cheers

harus diakui,depbudpar kita emang gak gape bikin iklan.apalagi soal branding,Indonesia mesti belajar banyak ke Malaysia soal ini.
Jero Wacik masih senang mengandalkan promosi dari pameran ke pameran.cara yang sangat primitif ditengah gencarnya marketing gila-gilaan negara2 tetangga kita.