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Old October 18th, 2009, 11:18 PM   #41
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I don't buy this garbage that 70% of the people have serious food shortage.

How is an absolut tropical soil with a massive river and many lakes will face serious food shortages when that 70% grow it own food .

This is one of the reasons why i don't read what NGOs reports. bunch of lies.

I advise you to go to Congo and look for yourelf.

instead of believing a bucnh of NGO liers that hve their own agenda.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 11:20 PM   #42
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lkx314 ,


Have you ever been in Congo lately?
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Old October 18th, 2009, 11:28 PM   #43
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I don't buy this garbage that 70% of the people have serious food shortage.

How is an absolut tropical soil with a massive river and many lakes will face serious food shortages when that 70% grow it own food .

This is one of the reasons why i don't read what NGOs reports. bunch of lies.

I advise you to go to Congo and look for yourelf.

instead of believing a bucnh of NGO liers that hve their own agenda.
I would really like to go there some day, but right now Im not really in a position 2. I agree that most of the NGO's probably do have very biased agendas, but I was more pointing out that the reports do exist.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 11:48 PM   #44
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Have you ever been in Congo lately?
No, not from congo and never will go there. But as long as my government is wasting my money on feeding nations like the congo i'll keep posting here.
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Old October 18th, 2009, 11:51 PM   #45
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No, not from congo and never will go there. But as long as my government is wasting my money on feeding nations like the congo i'll keep posting here.
Like i said, congo never aske for aid from your "country of good samaritans".

If the was no war those NGOs of yours would be on unemployed right now.

That's why they go around making faulse reports so that they can pocket your Tax money.


Keep your two cents aid. no one asked for it.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 12:09 AM   #46
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no one asked for it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/lates...s/idUSLO544093
African leaders will ask rich nations for $67 billion per year
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Old October 19th, 2009, 12:10 AM   #47
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African leaders will ask rich nations for $67 billion per year

You are a funny dude. really funny






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Old October 19th, 2009, 12:54 AM   #48
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It's need to be at 3 times that.

Where's the need for Congo to have such a huge population when its already one of the most populous countries in Africa?

If having a rapidly growing population was the key to economic success, countries like Nigeria & the Congo would be in great shape today. But what happens when the population soars. The surplus population ends up fighting & dying in too many wars. When you have 10 babies, who cares if 3 die in fighting?

Remember, China didn't start to develop until it brought its rapid population growth under control.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 01:26 AM   #49
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Where's the need for Congo to have such a huge population when its already one of the most populous countries in Africa?
The country is still unpopulated.
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If having a rapidly growing population was the key to economic success, countries like Nigeria & the Congo would be in great shape today.
Of course not. But Congo has it own population agenda. the country is still underpopulated.
I wont speak for Nigeria.

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But what happens when the population soars. The surplus population ends up fighting & dying in too many wars.
Having a small population doesn't mean your immune from wars. No one is immune frrom war , be one with big or small population.[/QUOTE]

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When you have 10 babies, who cares if 3 die in fighting?
Who wants to have kids , then watch them die? `

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Remember, China didn't start to develop until it brought its rapid population growth under control.
China started developing when it opened it market and started practicing capitalism. and developed Agroculture.

I know that slow population does contribute a lot to the development of nations. But Congo is not ready for slow population yet.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 02:27 AM   #50
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Old October 20th, 2009, 05:45 AM   #51
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I know that slow population does contribute a lot to the development of nations. But Congo is not ready for slow population yet.
What seems to work out best is a balance, not the population decline that faces countries like Japan & Russia, not population spiraling out of control like too many African countries face, not just the DR Congo.

As you know, Congo's population has more than quadruppled since independence. Yet the actual workforce doesn't seem to have grown much, most of the growth is subsistence farmers, etc.

I know that the Congo's enjoyed good economic growth over the past decade or so since Mobutu was ousted, the Kabila's came to power, & the wars finally started to wind down. Thats a good start

Even still, the Congo's GDP still has a way to go just to get BACK UP to where it was at independence! That population explosion, along with the conflicts & corruption, more than cancelled out the economic growth.

I just think that the growth that countries like the Congo need are more economic rather than demographic, there's been too much of the later & not enough of the former.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 06:27 AM   #52
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As you know, Congo's population has more than quadruppled since independence. Yet the actual workforce doesn't seem to have grown much, most of the growth is subsistence farmers, etc.
Congo's workforce lef the country for greener pasture: reasons for that . economic enviroment of the Mobutu's failed socialism and economic policies, Mega corruption.1982-1996
War in 1998-2003 forced the more to flee as well. the economy started growing in 2006 after elections.

Congo's litaracy arte is above 75%, it even declined because of the war in the East. in 2015 the governnment wants to go above 90%.
the proffetionals that left the country are coming back and are projected to comeback even more as the economy is projected to heat double digits at the end of next year.
everything that they left for is being put in place ( state of the art Hospitals, Highways being built, Rails to be rebuild and expanded, Deep see port to be built, Mining industry with high end smaleters, Dams). Hotels being built, more Technical schools being built, Mechanizing the agroculture. IT is coming to the country with planned 10000 kms of Fiber Optic cable(100s already U/C).
Social housings planned. Nothing will be left untouched. everything is and will be done simulteniously



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I know that the Congo's enjoyed good economic growth over the past decade or so since Mobutu was ousted, the Kabila's came to power, & the wars finally started to wind down. Thats a good start
Actually no. it short lived only 2 years between 97-99.
1999-2006 country was in a depresion.

The economy started to pick up right after the election.

[QUOTE]Even still, the Congo's GDP still has a way to go just to get BACK UP to where it was at independence! That population explosion, along with the conflicts & corruption, more than cancelled out the economic growth. [QUOTE]
No it wasn't. Dictatorship,Megga-Corruption and socialism was the result.

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I just think that the growth that countries like the Congo need are more economic rather than demographic, there's been too much of the later & not enough of the former.
It needs both. ( economic and demographic).

Look Katanga Province, is the size of France with only 8 million people. Katanga is supposed to have at least 25 million. Oriental province is even bigger than France with only 10 million people.


Congo is no longer a Socialist economy, Corruption is putting ministers, governors , mayors and more in jail. Soming that never happen since 1960.


i invite you to visit congolese Threads to see for yourself and i will keep you and everyone here updated.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 06:58 AM   #53
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Congo's population growth is incredibly high. According to the Wikipedia article with information from the CIA factbook, it's average percentage growth is over 3.2% a year, that is one of the fastest rates in Africa and in the entire world.

With a population of 66 million or so, that means that it adds around 2 million people a year...not that much less than the US, which adds around 3 million. But the US has a population almost 5 times the size of Congo. I would not be surprised if Congo is currently adding more people to it's population than Egypt is, which it will definitely surpass to be #3 in Africa when it comes to population one day.

Whether this is good or bad for the country, I'll leave that to forumers like Butembo and MBA-Congo who obviously know several times more about the situation than I would. If Congo could get their agriculture fixed as well as the food security, and the economy creates enough jobs for these people, it could BOOM because of this big population.

Congo is really a sleeping giant. Hopefully one day it will realize it's potential and rise up as one of the leaders of Africa, which it should rightfully be.
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Old October 20th, 2009, 07:31 AM   #54
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With a population of 66 million or so, that means that it adds around 2 million people a year...not that much less than the US, which adds around 3 million. But the US has a population almost 5 times the size of Congo. I would not be surprised if Congo is currently adding more people to it's population than Egypt is, which it will definitely surpass to be #3 in Africa when it comes to population one day.


If Congo could get their agriculture fixed as well as the food security, and the economy creates enough jobs for these people, it could BOOM because of this big population.
The Agroculture subdsidies, Infrastructures, Technical education, healthcare, Social housing wans't the governement priorities to awake the economy.

Economy being reformed: strict stupid Socialism is gone.

Literacy rate is above 75%( before of the war it was above 85%, declined because of the Wars). by 2015 the governnment wants to go above 90%.

Zero tolerance( anti-Corrution drive) is puting corrut ministers, mayors, judges, police in jails. a serious dy cleaning is going on as we speak.
No one is ever arrested for corrution in 49 years .
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=915780



I hoppe the current political climate continues to improve , stronger army, less and less corrution. that will be it. in 5-10 years it will be a completely different.

Urban population and those who are better off are less likely to have more kids than rural population. congo's population in rural areas is 60% and urbination will be driven by the new economic growth.

The more Urban , the less kids.

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