Suburbs in the Netherlands

[Ribarca]

Originally Posted by woutero

That is true. I live in Amsterdam as well, but have lived in other places in The Netherlands before. When I moved to Amsterdam I was very unimpressed by the bike infrastructure. I'm used to it now though.

Other cities I've lived in like Sneek, Groningen and Enschede have better bicycle infrastructure than Amsterdam.

There is obviously more space in those towns. Anybody I know in Amsterdam mainly uses the bike. The only time I used public transport was to go to football games in the Arena. But in the summer I even used to cycle there from the center. I miss biking in Amsterdam. There is one rule there are no rules.

[woutero]

I was not Amsterdam bashing here.

I was just pointing out that there are other cities in The Netherlands with higher bicycle use (share in all trips) and better bicycle infrastructure. I did not imply anything with that. I just wanted to share this with people who are reading this forum: cycling is not just an Amsterdam thing; it is even more popular and better developed in places outside of Amsterdam. If you are talking about total “cycling volume” though, Amsterdam is definitely number 1.

The state of maintenance of the bike infrastructure in Amsterdam has more to do with local government finances and priorities, than with space, I think.

But maybe we should go back to the topic: suburbs in The Netherlands. How about cycling in the suburbs:

This is a nice vid with some guy cycling through a residential neighborhood with his kids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWKLozSa5c

And an image from Houten Vinex:

[Ribarca]

I did not see it as bashing. If you travel to big cities in the world you just realize how great it is to be cycling in a big city.

What was the first of this types of planned towns that was built in the Netherlands. I know one town in North Holland which is a suburb of Den Helder (Juliana dorp/village that is about 35 years old (the new part that is) and that was completely designed like the above towns. It has about 20k inhabitants.

Different hoods.

[Arrrgh]

Interesting thread, though I don't like these neighbourhoods. I'm living in a suburb from the 1970's and as soon I can afford it I will move to an older and more vibrant neighbourhood.

[bartjee]

[ChrisZwolle]

Nice pics.

Many people say VINEX-suburbs are all the same, though I think there's more variation in VINEX-suburbs than the typical 1980's neighborhoods.

[Ønland]

cool brick buildings !

[bartjee]

[Eric Offereins]

Nice. The last ones are not my taste, but these blocks look pretty good.

[emzeti]

what is the building? nice and cool...ha

[GSAA]

Who lives in these suburbs? Ethnic Dutch people? As I understand NL is a very segregated country, where do the foreigners live then?

[bartjee]

@Emzeti: This building is called a house


Trainstation












The View.

[Tramfreak]

Originally Posted by GSAA

Who lives in these suburbs? Ethnic Dutch people? As I understand NL is a very segregated country, where do the foreigners live then?

I don't think it is very segregated here. The portion of foreigners in a neighbourhood often depends on the size and age of the houses, and on the fact whether the houses are for sale, for rent or as social housing.

I've seen a neighbourhood in Eindhoven which is almost entirely home to foreigners because the houses are small and there is mainly social housing. In such neighbourhoods you will not find many ethnic Dutch people even though they may be initially built for Dutch people (like Bijlmermeer in Amsterdam). But in the most neighbourhoods I would say that the nationalities are quite mixed, my neighbourhood is not 100% Dutch either (I am 0% Dutch myself )

[Anderson Geimz]

Originally Posted by GSAA

Who lives in these suburbs? Ethnic Dutch people? As I understand NL is a very segregated country, where do the foreigners live then?

No not at all! What gave you that idea?

Strange comment...

[''Henk''uitBreda]

Etnic dutch people:



foreigners:

[WesP]

@''Henk''uitBreda
That's not true...Dutch people also live in the "poor" suburbs...But it is kwown that dutch people are the only inhabitants of the richer, nicer suburbs...But that is free market isn't it? The immigrants only need to go school and study harder so they can afford to live in the nicer suburbs...It is not our (dutch) fault that they stay poorer.

[woutero]

@ "Henk"uitBreda:

Those images are a little too stereotypical.

In 2005 the % of "allochtonen" (people who were born outside of The Netherlands or have a parent who was born outside The Netherlands) of non-Western origin in the cities of Amsterdam and Rotterdam was about 34%. In Almere (a suburb of Amsterdam) for example this number was 24%.

In 2025 it is expected the number in Amsterdam will drop to around 31%, and rise in Almere to around 28%.

In the most recent years, the migration to Almere of Surinamese people was about the same volume as ethnic Dutch people (absolute numbers).

These numbers indicate that "allochtonen" are also suburbanizing. Homes in the suburbs are generally more affordable, schools are better, more space, etc.

Source: http://www.ruimtemonitor.nl/kennispo...02&themeId=323

[Mr_Dru]

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[GSAA]

Originally Posted by Anderson Geimz

No not at all! What gave you that idea?

Strange comment...

A friend of mine lived in NL (au pair, living with an ethnic Dutxh family) for a year, he told me those things. I guess he didn't leave his white suburb much.

[Anderson Geimz]

Originally Posted by GSAA

A friend of mine lived in NL (au pair, living with an ethnic Dutxh family) for a year, he told me those things. I guess he didn't leave his white suburb much.

Where did he live? Maybe that will offer some explanaition.