MISC | How many HSL have you used already?

[gincan]

Originally Posted by MarcVD

Next spring,
I'm going to travel Bruxelles-Algesiras(Spain)-Marrakech(Morocco) and that
will be without using one single mile of HSL.

Just a question, how are you planning to reach Algeciras on a train without going through the Madrid-Seville HSR line? The only other realistic option is taking the Madrid-Granada and then change to Granada-Algeciras.

[sotavento]

Originally Posted by poshbakerloo

I guess they do in the technical term. But really true HSR is 180Mph+
All of England's main lines are 125Mph.

No ... "true" HSR is anything above 125mph ... finito/definitive.

Old tracks at 125mph are as much HSR asthe new ones at 200mph.

[k.k.jetcar]

Germany/Netherlands
ICE3 Frankfurt-Amsterdam- first class, very comfortable, nice high speed running in Germany on dedicated HS track, once in low countries, still comfortable, but slow...

Belgium/France
Thalys Brussels-Paris, light meal and newspaper included in service, Northern France scenery best left unmentioned

France
TGV Paris Montparnasse-Rennes
TGV Paris Gare de Lyon-Belfort (in the baggage space of the rear car)

Switzerland/France
TGV Geneve-Paris Gare de Lyon

Japan
Tokaido Shinkansen Tokyo-Shin Osaka and intermediate points around 10 times. Best ride was 500 series (first class) Tokyo-Shin Osaka, most comfortable stock except perhaps ICE3 first class

Sanyo Shinkansen Shin-Osaka-Okayama, the original 0 series in its last summer of operation- the train that started it all...

Tohoku Shinkansen Morioka-Sendai-Tokyo 3 or 4 times, 200 series or E2 series, maybe E1 also (long time ago)

Yamagata Shinkansen Fukushima-Yamagata, 400 series "mini-shinkansen"- converted track 1067mm to 1435mm, low speed, but scenery nice, saw a monkey running way from the train in the winter snow

Joetsu Shinkansen Niigata-Tokyo 2 times, 200 series

Nagano Shinkansen Karuizawa-Tokyo, E2 series, scenery mainly the inside of tunnels and boring flat topography of southern Gunma and Saitama (like Northern France!)

[allurban]

Japan

Tokyo - Shin Osaka

700 series going out, 300 series coming back. Sadly, our return from Osaka was delayed due to a suicidal truck driver.

China

Shanghai Maglev from Pudong to Shanghai and back.

Nothing else...sadly. Maybe Tianjin-Beijing in the near future once Air Asia starts flying back to Tianjin (early next year)

Cheers, m

[JoKo65]

TGV Hendaye–Paris
TGV Paris–Lyon x
Thalys Cologne–Paris x
ICE Wuppertal–Cologne–Frankfurt xx
ICE Cologne–Berlin xx
ICE Cologne–Frankfurt/Main–Munich x
ICE Munich–Stuttgart–Cologne x
ICE Wuppertal–Cologne–Karlsruhe x
ICE Hannover–Hamburg
ICE Hamburg–Cologne x
ICE Berlin–Hamburg
Several HSTs in the UK in the 80ies.

x = several times
xx = very often

[k.k.jetcar]

Sadly, our return from Osaka was delayed due to a suicidal truck driver.

I don't understand- it couldn't have been on the rail line as the Shinkansen is completely grade separated. If you mean on road to the station, well, OK- cars and trucks cause numerous accidents, whether their drivers are suicidal or not.

[Snowguy716]

Only the ICE from Munich to Cologne... of which only Frankfurt to Cologne was high speed... twice. (round trips.. so 4 times I guess?)

[JoKo65]

Originally Posted by Snowguy716

Only the ICE from Munich to Cologne... of which only Frankfurt to Cologne was high speed... twice. (round trips.. so 4 times I guess?)

Are you sure that only Frankfurt–Cologne was high speed?

[Snowguy716]

Originally Posted by JoKo65

Are you sure that only Frankfurt–Cologne was high speed?

Well, I guess I should say it was the fastest portion, going 330kph (200mph) in that stretch.. otherwise it seems the fastest we went was maybe 180-200kph... but much of the time around 160kph (100mph)

I guess you could call 100mph high speed in the scheme of things since most other trains on the same tracks went slower...

[JoKo65]

Originally Posted by Snowguy716

Well, I guess I should say it was the fastest portion, going 330kph (200mph) in that stretch.. otherwise it seems the fastest we went was maybe 180-200kph... but much of the time around 160kph (100mph)

I guess you could call 100mph high speed in the scheme of things since most other trains on the same tracks went slower...

No, we don't call 160 km/h high speed.
In which year did you travel? I ask, because the trains via Stuttgart go 200 km/h between Munich and Augsburg, 200 km/h a short distance after Augsburg, 250 km/h between Stuttgart and Mannheim, 200 km/h between Mannheim and Frankfurt and enter then the stretch to Cologne.
The trains via Nuremberg go 200 km/h between Munich and Ingolstadt, 300 km/h between Ingolstadt and Nuremberg, 200 km/h in the middle of Nuremberg–Würzburg, 250 km/h a short distance after Würzburg. Then they go to Frankfurt and reach the stretch to Cologne.

[urbanfan89]

Eurostar, London Waterloo to Paris Nord a few times.

Xinshisu, Guangzhou to Kowloon

TGV: Paris Lyon to Avignon, Avignon to Nice (without any actual LGV), Bordeaux to Paris Montparnasse.

[Snowguy716]

Originally Posted by JoKo65

No, we don't call 160 km/h high speed.
In which year did you travel? I ask, because the trains via Stuttgart go 200 km/h between Munich and Augsburg, 200 km/h a short distance after Augsburg, 250 km/h between Stuttgart and Mannheim, 200 km/h between Mannheim and Frankfurt and enter then the stretch to Cologne.
The trains via Nuremberg go 200 km/h between Munich and Ingolstadt, 300 km/h between Ingolstadt and Nuremberg, 200 km/h in the middle of Nuremberg–Würzburg, 250 km/h a short distance after Würzburg. Then they go to Frankfurt and reach the stretch to Cologne.

I was on that line in 2005 and 2006. You very well may be correct.. I do not know the exact cruising speeds except that near Munich it wasn't all that fast and it reached top speed only between Frankfurt and Cologne.

Either way, I have no complaints! It was clean, quiet, and incredibly smooth even at 330km/h! (though going in and out of tunnels constantly during the day is a bit annoying...)

I guess what I was most intrigued by was the complete change in accents/dialects from the Bavarian conductors in Munich to the Hoch Deutsch speakers once we got past about Stuttgart.

[Timon91]

Brussels-Lille, Lille-London and Lille-Paris. In a conventional train I've used the 200 km/h line between Hannover and Berlin. I've never used the HSL line between Schiphol-Rotterdam-Antwerp, but I'm sure that I will in future.

[Falubaz]

[D]
Hannover - Berlin
[NL]
Amsterdam - Paris
[F]
Paris - London
Paris - Angers
Toulouse - Marseilles
[E]
Madrid - Toledo
[China]
Shenzhen - Guangzhou
Maglev: Shanghai - Pudong airport
[Taiwan]
Taipei - Kaohsiung

[MarcVD]

Originally Posted by gincan

Just a question, how are you planning to reach Algeciras on a train without going through the Madrid-Seville HSR line? The only other realistic option is taking the Madrid-Granada and then change to Granada-Algeciras.

Not at all. I'm going over Barcelona, not Madrid. Daily train Barcelona-Malaga,
spend the night there, the day after Malaga-Granada, visit the Alcazar and
spend the night there, and then Granada-Algeciras. Promises to be a great
trip.

[AAJ]

The problem is tath the line between Antequera and Algeciras is closed for reforms.

[MarcVD]

Originally Posted by AAJ

The problem is tath the line between Antequera and Algeciras is closed for reforms.

Strange... If I go to the RENFE website and ask for a train between Malaga
and Algeciras, they propose me 3 different trains, like this :

GRANADA 07.15
LOJA-SAN FRANCISCO 07.49 07.50
ANTEQUERA 08.40 08.41
BOBADILLA 08.56 08.57
CAMPILLOS 09.09 09.10
ALMARGEN-CANETE LA REAL 09.23 09.24
RONDA 09.57 09.58
BENAOJAN-MONTEJAQUE 10.25 10.26
JIMERA DE LIBAR 10.34 10.35
CORTES DE LA FRONTERA 10.45 10.46
GAUCIN 10.56 10.57
JIMENA DE LA FRONTERA 11.12 11.13
SAN ROQUE-LA LINEA 11.36 11.37
ALGECIRAS 11.52

[Sr.Horn]

Spain:
AVE Barcelona - Madrid 2 times

Japan:
Shinkansen Tokyo - Kyoto 3 times
Shinkansen Kyoto - Osaka 4 times
Shinkansen Kyoto - Himeji 2 times
Shinkansen Kyoto - Hiroshima 2 times
Shinkansen Utsunomiya - Tokyo once
Shinkansen Tokyo - Yokohama once

[AAJ]

Originally Posted by MarcVD

Strange... If I go to the RENFE website and ask for a train between Malaga
and Algeciras, they propose me 3 different trains, like this :

GRANADA 07.15
LOJA-SAN FRANCISCO 07.49 07.50
ANTEQUERA 08.40 08.41
BOBADILLA 08.56 08.57
CAMPILLOS 09.09 09.10
ALMARGEN-CANETE LA REAL 09.23 09.24
RONDA 09.57 09.58
BENAOJAN-MONTEJAQUE 10.25 10.26
JIMERA DE LIBAR 10.34 10.35
CORTES DE LA FRONTERA 10.45 10.46
GAUCIN 10.56 10.57
JIMENA DE LA FRONTERA 11.12 11.13
SAN ROQUE-LA LINEA 11.36 11.37
ALGECIRAS 11.52

http://web02.renfe.es/u13/MTR/Ultima...257680004076DA
Here is a press release (spanish).

[allurban]

Originally Posted by k.k.jetcar

I don't understand- it couldn't have been on the rail line as the Shinkansen is completely grade separated. If you mean on road to the station, well, OK- cars and trucks cause numerous accidents, whether their drivers are suicidal or not.

no one really told us. I dont know if the vehicle actually got onto the rails or if the person managed to get in...really didnt get much detail.

But we did end up waiting for nearly 1 hour. Gave us time to take more photos with our Osaka friends.

Cheers, m