My perception of Chinese Cities in the future

[alec74]

Originally Posted by lkx314

China despite it's size similair to the US, space IS a problem you can't built cities with american layouts that promotes high gas consumption.

Nobody said that..and if u look at the high rise residential building in China u can see it's not the case...
And comparing USA to Japan in that respect remains useless and senseless, for all the reasons I, again, mentioned to u

[particlez]

^the silly thing is: lk314 posted pictures of MANHATTAN yet said the typical stuff about 'american' layouts promoting high gas consumption. does anyone else think of manhattan as a low density, autocentric, monozoned problem?

[alec74]

Originally Posted by particlez

^the silly thing is: lk314 posted pictures of MANHATTAN yet said the typical stuff about 'american' layouts promoting high gas consumption. does anyone else think of manhattan as a low density, autocentric, monozoned problem?

lkx314 doesn't even know what he himself thinks (if he thinks at all)...

[lkx314]

"Nobody said that..and if u look at the high rise residential building in China u can see it's not the case"
I don't know about you but most of the picutres of cities in china the buildings are put wide apart from eachother, instead of being closer to conserve space.

"And comparing USA to Japan in that respect remains useless and senseless"
Most american cities were built in the 19th Century and Japanese cities were rebuilt after WWII, japan is very dense and they have more experience with designing buildings in dense cities then america who has nearly 10X more space.


Try watching these videos.
http://geovideos.fliggo.com/video/c5I8GPNS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE4fv...layer_embedded
http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...ideos/05154_00



"if he thinks at all... "
You know what I don't feel like i should go down to your level so i'm not going to care anymore.

[alec74]

Originally Posted by lkx314

"Nobody said that..and if u look at the high rise residential building in China u can see it's not the case"
I don't know about you but most of the picutres of cities in china the buildings are put wide apart from eachother, instead of being closer to conserve space.

"And comparing USA to Japan in that respect remains useless and senseless"
Most american cities were built in the 19th Century and Japanese cities were rebuilt after WWII, japan is very dense and they have more experience with designing buildings in dense cities then america who has nearly 10X more space.


Try watching these videos.
http://geovideos.fliggo.com/video/c5I8GPNS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE4fv...layer_embedded
http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...ideos/05154_00



"if he thinks at all... "
You know what I don't feel like i should go down to your level so i'm not going to care anymore.

Again u are comparing apples and pears and don't even understand what u urself say..

1) "I don't know about you but most of the picutres of cities in china the buildings are put wide apart from eachother, instead of being closer to conserve space."
Would u like to have (and to live in) a place where 30+ storey buildings are built attached to one another, like in a sardin's can? I don't know about u, but for me it'd be my personal image of hell..Tall residential blocks must be properly spaced one another if u want to create a liveable environment..but they remain mainly INTENSIVE. To build "extensively" means like USA suburban areas in Los Angeles and so on. small, one-family detached houses with a little garden and a parking lot for miles and miles....do u see that in China? So, again, what the hell are u talking about? Do u even understand what u urself write, or just write out of a strange urge to oppose every and anyone?

2) Japan and America, Japan and China aren't comparable at all when it comes to city planning, space and land...for ALL THE REASONS I already, more than once, told u (is it really so difficult to understand? Let's sum up in an easy way: Japan=small, overpopulated, seismic, mountaneous, insular...Can u understand it now? I lived in Japan for quite sometime and I know exactly the situation, as much as I know FIRST HAND how japanese cities are and why they are like that...I don't need any video to understand it, and considering the kind of videos u linked...u are far more clueless than I anticipated)
The fact that US cities were built in XIX century hasn't anything at all to do with it (and it's also false, cause most of them have been rebuilt, changed and restructured in the XX century, and many of them till the end of the XIX century were little more than villages and their development just begun in the XX century, not the XIX..Los Angeles till the second half of the XIX century had little more that 2000 inhabitants.)

[mckendy]

I think the best city example for urban China in US is Chicago.a downtown center with very large number of supertall highrise tower and medium apartment building block and in the end the little household with a transit system of subway train Monorail train elevator highway underground highway big park ect .....

[Severiano]

I think it depends on what a person wants. For me, tall buildings stacked like sardines are nice! I love the atmosphere of Hong Kong, even though the house is small, its really convenient to get around and do stuff. I find it to be much better than master planned Le Corbusier style housing blocks flanked by wide lifeless streets and little parks in between.

Maybe people should be offered a choice, Tall non-hight restricted residential buildings in the city center, Le Corbusier large floor plan 20-35 storey housing blocks in the near suburbs, and if you want a 2 hour commute, American style track housing.

[Severiano]

Originally Posted by mckendy

I think the best city example for urban China in US is Chicago.a downtown center with very large number of supertall highrise tower and medium apartment building block and in the end the little household with a transit system of subway train Monorail train elevator highway underground highway big park ect .....

Chicago is good in some aspects. However the subway systems of many Chinese cities like Shanghai, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, maybe Beijing, are light years ahead of Chicago.

[lkx314]

http://www.zonaeuropa.com/200908a.brief.htm

[BarbaricManchurian]

irrelevent photos

[drunkenmunkey888]

Originally Posted by lkx314

Manhattan is the center of america's finance, the world's largest semi-governing entity and.... YES. the city has a terrible design and is something that china's cities should never copy especially with it's large population.

Have you never been to New York? If you are trying to show how poor American urban planning is, New York was the worst possible choice you could pick because it has almost twice the average total density of Hong Kong (27,000 per sq mile to 15,000 per sq mile) and has IMO by far the best rail transportation system in the world (368 km of subways with 4 track local/express service and 3 suburban rail systems). It has 4x the population of Denver but only consumes 40% of Denver's energy consumption. Ironic that you'd compare it to Japanese cities because NYC is structured far more similarly to a Japanese city than an average American city

China ABSOLUTELY SHOULD plan their cities like New York is planned, especially Shanghai. When you criticize American urban planning, you're probably thinking about the massive suburban auto-centric cities outside the Northeast US where 12 lane highways are the only mode of transportation and roads are 10 times as wide as they need to be.

[alec74]

Originally Posted by drunkenmunkey888

Have you never been to New York? If you are trying to show how poor American urban planning is, New York was the worst possible choice you could pick because it has almost twice the average total density of Hong Kong (27,000 per sq mile to 15,000 per sq mile) and has IMO by far the best rail transportation system in the world (with only Tokyo possibly comparable). It has 4x the population of Denver but only consumes 40% of Denver's energy consumption. Ironic that you'd compare it to Japanese cities because NYC is structured far more similarly to a Japanese city than an average American city

China ABSOLUTELY SHOULD plan their cities like New York is planned, especially Shanghai. When you criticize American urban planning, you're probably thinking about the massive suburban auto-centric cities outside the Northeast US where 12 lane highways are the only mode of transportation and roads are 10 times as wide as they need to be.

Yes, the Kanto/Tokyo region rail system is beyond excellent..almost unbeliavable

[mckendy]

Originally Posted by drunkenmunkey888

Have you never been to New York? If you are trying to show how poor American urban planning is, New York was the worst possible choice you could pick because it has almost twice the average total density of Hong Kong (27,000 per sq mile to 15,000 per sq mile) and has IMO by far the best rail transportation system in the world (368 km of subways with 4 track local/express service and 3 suburban rail systems). It has 4x the population of Denver but only consumes 40% of Denver's energy consumption. Ironic that you'd compare it to Japanese cities because NYC is structured far more similarly to a Japanese city than an average American city

China ABSOLUTELY SHOULD plan their cities like New York is planned, especially Shanghai. When you criticize American urban planning, you're probably thinking about the massive suburban auto-centric cities outside the Northeast US where 12 lane highways are the only mode of transportation and roads are 10 times as wide as they need to be.

you mean Manhattan not new york and in my case I much prefer chicago ubain planing over new york

[particlez]

lkx, are you... on some really good drugs or something? your posts aren't coherent, nor are they consistent. don't list off pictures of manhattan as evidence of bad american urban planning. that's like taking a picture of megan fox as evidence of an unattractive american woman.

[particlez]

^monkey, comparing density figures from manhattan to ALL of hong kong is apples to oranges. manhattan is one facet of new york, while hong kong encompasses one self contained metro.

at any rate, lkx could have found ANY number of pictures to illustrate his point. instead we find random pictures of tokyo, of manhattan, then some site about collapsed buildings in taiwan and in shanghai.