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Old November 25th, 2009, 08:41 PM   #7141
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probably a stupid question, but if the white columns are the exterior frame, how come there's metalwork outside?
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Old November 25th, 2009, 09:01 PM   #7142
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Because its a temporary framework to house hoists and stuff.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 09:55 PM   #7143
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Great pics chest. Looks like the builders are putting in pins into the plunge columns in the core area perhaps to attach rebar to.
So if rebar will be attached to these pins, does that mean that the bottom of the core will be 6-9m of solid concrete?

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Old November 25th, 2009, 10:59 PM   #7144
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Hi all,

I have been lurking for a long time now following the shard thread but havent posted yet.

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So if rebar will be attached to these pins, does that mean that the bottom of the core will be 6-9m of solid concrete?
I think the the pins on the plunge columns are more there to provide a key for the concrete that is to be poured around them...not sure though. Besides i dont think the level at which they are down to is actually the bottom of the core. If you remember the top down construction diagram posted earlier in the thread it showed that the core will rise as the basement is countinued to be dug out.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 11:55 PM   #7145
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....that's right, I think there's another basement level to dig out yet.
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So if rebar will be attached to these pins, does that mean that the bottom of the core will be 6-9m of solid concrete?
Honestly no idea, but they are intriguing pics, aren't they?

The plunge column on the far right has some rebar coming out of it at the bottom, hence my guess about the rebar.

In one of the other pics, you can see the builder being very meticulous putting these pins in, so I can't imagine they're just going to pour concrete around them with out something else happening first.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 12:04 AM   #7146
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Just catching up... what a magnificent photo set from Chest.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 12:29 AM   #7147
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....that's right, I think there's another basement level to dig out yet.Honestly no idea, but they are intriguing pics, aren't they?

The plunge column on the far right has some rebar coming out of it at the bottom, hence my guess about the rebar.

In one of the other pics, you can see the builder being very meticulous putting these pins in, so I can't imagine they're just going to pour concrete around them with out something else happening first.
Those pins are actually called shear studs and are there to ensure an adequate bond between the steel and concrete. They are also usually used in concrete slab construction when using metal decking for the same reason.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 09:54 AM   #7148
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Good to have people on here who know what's what

White columns are now visible from the aeriel cam

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Old November 26th, 2009, 01:54 PM   #7149
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fudge it! They can build a 310m skyscraper yet they cant get a simple web cam to work
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Old November 26th, 2009, 02:03 PM   #7150
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I would have thought the webcams were indoors and pointing through a closed window? Hence winds and rain should not affect them?
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Old November 26th, 2009, 02:26 PM   #7151
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I would have thought the webcams were indoors and pointing through a closed window? Hence winds and rain should not affect them?
To be fair, you are not going to get an indoor shot from what will be above the tallest building in the United Kingdom!
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Old November 26th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #7152
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To be fair, you are not going to get an indoor shot from what will be above the tallest building in the United Kingdom!
No but we aren't at that point yet, smarty pants
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Old November 26th, 2009, 05:30 PM   #7153
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the webcams are outdoor and resemble those TFL traffic cams I think the link to the top of guys tower is the issue
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Old November 26th, 2009, 06:49 PM   #7154
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Hello mate,

The "Eiffel tower" was 318.70m high in 1994 but is taller since 2000 with 324(height with antenna).

When constructed in 1889,the "Eiffel tower" was already 312,27m high(at the time there was a flag at its top).

When the "Hermitage Plaza" twin towers are built (by 2014-15)in La Défense,they will be 322 & 323 m high,symbolically 1 metre shorter than the "Eiffel Tower".
There is "Générali Tower" as well which is announced at 318m in La Défense as well(but it's very likely to be scaled down.)


"Hermitage Plaza":

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/...n30yP/610x.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3643/...111eed26_o.jpg
http://static1.abduzeedo.com/files/p...eek/buck02.jpg
http://www.lemoniteur.fr/media/IMAGE..._11_278127.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/...1951752e_o.jpg
http://www.hermitage-immo.fr/fr/lib/...xtes-index.jpg
http://www.vinzblog.com/wp-content/u...tage-plaza.jpg

"Générali tower":

http://www.journaldunet.com/manageme...s/generali.jpg

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PS: I love the Shard as well,gonna be a magnificent addition to London
Architecturally the Eiffel Tower is shorter than the Shard. The SSP diagram is inaccurate. The Eiffel Tower is 294m to the top of the "bell" shaped structure at the top, and 301m to Eiffel's architectural top (which is already a pole). There may have been various flagpoles and antennae over the years extending the height further, but the Eiffel Tower itself is 301m tall.

The Phare and Signal towers are such awful designs that it's better if they're not built. The Generali tower is also ugly. The Hermitage twins are the only ones worth building imo.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 07:31 PM   #7155
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Those pins are actually called shear studs and are there to ensure an adequate bond between the steel and concrete. They are also usually used in concrete slab construction when using metal decking for the same reason.
Thanks for info.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 08:05 PM   #7156
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So if rebar will be attached to these pins, does that mean that the bottom of the core will be 6-9m of solid concrete?
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Old November 26th, 2009, 08:57 PM   #7157
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So does anyone know if TC5 will be put up this weekend? I hear the weather isnt going to be good again.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 09:06 PM   #7158
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Thanks for the clarification on the spiky girders. But I'm still a bit confused as to how the core will be constructed.

Looking back at the previous post regarding the method of top-down construction (image below), it looks like they should have already poured a 2.5m thick portion of the core on the girders that are exposed. Only later would they excavate beneath the core, to a depth of 16.5m.

Perhaps the diagram is not 100% accurate, or I'm a bit slow (or both).

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Old November 26th, 2009, 10:49 PM   #7159
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The guy who is working on the project (sorry cant remember his name) did say some time back that those diagrams are not entirely accurate - so I dont think we know exactly how they will do it.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 11:02 PM   #7160
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Architecturally the Eiffel Tower is shorter than the Shard. The SSP diagram is inaccurate. The Eiffel Tower is 294m to the top of the "bell" shaped structure at the top, and 301m to Eiffel's architectural top (which is already a pole). There may have been various flagpoles and antennae over the years extending the height further, but the Eiffel Tower itself is 301m tall.

The Phare and Signal towers are such awful designs that it's better if they're not built. The Generali tower is also ugly. The Hermitage twins are the only ones worth building imo.
Hello,

You should check your sources more carefully mate...

Originally,the Eiffel Tower was 313,2 metres high(without antenna & stuff) not 294m!

Regarding the other projects, that's your opinion.It goes without saying that I don't share your opinion(apart from "Signal"),actually many people praise them,me included. I invite you to peruse the "Défense 92" site to take a closer look at them.There are many more which are not mentionned though.

Back to "the Shard" now...I would love the cams to be fixed for god's sake,I need to see the progress...
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