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Old December 17th, 2009, 10:29 PM   #101
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BINNS Ltd, Department Store
Part Two, the Grey Street/Market Street Corner

Binns of Newcastle (a "House of Fraser" Department Store) traded for many years on the corner of Grey Street and Market Street, with the shop frontage extending for quite some way along both streets. On Market Street, Binns was next door to the, even larger, Bainbridge Department Store.

Binns occupied these premises (shown below) until 1977 . . .

1932.



1967, how the store looked 35 years later (notice how the 'cleaned up' sandstone reveals the architecture) . .



Back to 1932, and a newspaper article shows the top photo (above) but mentions the 'previous owners' of the building.



Here are the previous owners of the building (before it became 'Binns') . . 'Coxon, the Drapers' . . .


It certainly looks really strange (to me) seeing the "Coxon" name appearing on the BINNS store!

I only found out about Coxons (for the first time) whilst doing the research for this post, I have never heard of them before!

Does anyone know anything about them at all?


I found this "advert" a while after I did this post (in Jan 2010 in fact) but I felt it should be included here as it shows the EXACT same view of the Grey Street/Market Street corner, as in the photos above of Coxons store, and of Binns Department Store. This advert is from a subsequent sale of the re-furbished premises in 1980 (Binns had moved out in 1977 and originally sold it all back then). The corner site is now called "Earl Grey House" (as it still is today in 2010) but that there is absolutely NO mention at all of it previously being a big (famous) Department Store, though some details of its history ARE mentioned!





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Does that former Binns building still have those upper two floors that can be seen in that 1932 photo?
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Old December 17th, 2009, 11:15 PM   #103
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no it only has one floor in the roof now. i'm sure i can remember Binns, when did it close?
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Old December 17th, 2009, 11:23 PM   #104
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no it only has one floor in the roof now. i'm sure i can remember Binns, when did it close?
Binns closed in 1996. They had been off the corner of Grey Street and Market Street since the Seventies though. The entrance was further up Market Street.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 12:28 AM   #105
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Does that former Binns building still have those upper two floors that can be seen in that 1932 photo?
As johnny says, just the one floor - see this google earth street view link

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&...95.11,,1,-6.71
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Old December 18th, 2009, 12:50 AM   #106
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Binns closed in 1996. They had been off the corner of Grey Street and Market Street since the Seventies though. The entrance was further up Market Street.
Yes, they moved in 1977, when a certain other Department Store moved to Eldon Square in 1976. This will be covered in "Part 3" of the BINNS of Newcastle story . . . da dum, da dum!!

Interesting to see that Google Earth shot of how the 'corner store' looks now!
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Old December 19th, 2009, 01:02 PM   #107
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BINNS Ltd, Department Store
The third part - 1977, the big move into the former Bainbridge premises . . . THEN, the sad eventual closure, nearly 20 years later.


When the 'Eldon Square Shopping Centre' opened in 1976, the completion of Phase Two in September that year, saw the arrival of 'Bainbridge - a branch of the John Lewis partnership', into the centre. They had vacated their long/thin Market Street / Grainger Street / Bigg Market premises (featured in 'Post 1' of this thread) and House of Fraser (who were still trading as "Binns" in the North of England at that time) took the opportunity to move a few yards along Market Street to occupy what were significantly larger premises than their current home.

Binns spent a lot of time and money on their new premises throughout 1976 and 1977, before finally moving in, in 1977 . . .


















It was quite a 'strange' experience at first, walking into this huge, expensively re-furbished Department Store, occupying exactly the same space Bainbridges had for so many years, that I had known so well . . and it NOT being Bainbridges!

Weird!

Unfortunately, I do not seem to have too many external photos of this 'new' Binns store, from during the 19 years it traded there (1977-1996) the only one I have of "a full view" of it during those years (below) already has the 'first floor' windows blocked up in 1995 (though the store was still open) prior to their closure the following year . . .



The 'Grainger Street' side-entrance, at about the same time as the above, notice the first floor windows also boarded up . .


and here is a 'close-up' of one of the busy Market Street entrance doors . .


Only a few years later, the entire massive store was demolished, behind the 'retained' Market Street and Grainger Street facades (though the facade at the 'Bigg Market end' WAS demolished) and the inside was shortly afterwards replaced by a far smaller 'modern brick box' partially joined onto the old facades, that was to eventually become the 'discount' Department Store, T J Hughes.

These two photos show part of that sad internal demolition taking place in 1998 . . .




So, BINNS was no more, and another Newcastle Department Store was lost.

This was only partly compensated for, by them having 're-opened' in the MetroCentre under their parent company name of 'House of Fraser'.



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Old December 20th, 2009, 12:48 PM   #108
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How FAMOUS is our SSC Sub-Forum then? . . .

I was just doing a basic 'Google Search' this morning in connection with the next Newcastle Department Store I thought we might discuss ('John Farnon Ltd') and my search produced THIS THREAD at the very TOP!

Amazing, see below copy of search page . .

Search Results

“The Department Stores of Newcastle” . . . Past / Present / Future ...
20 posts - 7 authors - Last post: 21 Nov
I think there is a lot to say about 'The Department Stores of Newcastle' . . their past, their present and their future. ...
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1005737 - Cached

Fenwick (department store) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to Newcastle‎: The Newcastle store, which is one of Britain's largest department stores, holds a spectacular Christmas window tableaux each year, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenwick_(department_store) - Cached - Similar

Ronald Binge - Robert Farnon Society
Robert Farnon current news · Robert Farnon CDs · Robert Farnon discography ... Binge's income from his day job in the gent's outfitting department of a town centre store. ... for an examination in German in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. ...
www.rfsoc.org.uk/rbinge.shtml - Cached - Similar

Jumping Bean - Robert Farnon Society
Jim Entwistle recently went into his local HMV store in the north of England ...... period on secondment in the Light Entertainment department as producer, ...
www.rfsoc.org.uk/jim3.shtml - Cached - Similar

Fenwick - [ Skip intro ]
Department store chain selling fashion clothing and homeware. Includes charge card, recruitment and contacts for outlets from Kent to Northumberland, ...
www.fenwick.co.uk/ - Cached - Similar

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Old December 20th, 2009, 01:35 PM   #109
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I moved to Newcastle in 1990, and my memories of Binns in the mid 90s are as a really rather shabby, quiet rather run-down looking shop - all quite sad. I used to use it as a parallel route to Grainger Street if it were raining, but was seldom tempted by any of the merchandise. It was no surprise at all when it closed.

Farnons had a rather specialised niche reputation, if memory serves, as THE place to go for net curtains, and presumably other types of curtains and curtain paraphanalia. And we bought our first kitchen bin there.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 01:44 PM   #110
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I moved to Newcastle in 1990, and my memories of Binns in the mid 90s are as a really rather shabby, quiet rather run-down looking shop - all quite sad. I used to use it as a parallel route to Grainger Street if it were raining, but was seldom tempted by any of the merchandise. It was no surprise at all when it closed.

Farnons had a rather specialised niche reputation, if memory serves, as THE place to go for net curtains, and presumably other types of curtains and curtain paraphanalia. And we bought our first kitchen bin there.
Yes, when I got married in 1975, FARNONS was where we went for 'net curtains' and all similar stuff. Same when we moved house, as we did quite often for a while (should've paid the rent!!) over the early years.

It had a huge (always packed) curtain/net curtain department, but it was also a 'fully-fledged' Department Store (and a bit 'cheaper than some others) with just about everything in it you could want!

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Old December 20th, 2009, 02:13 PM   #111
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Here's an interior shot of Coxon's from a 1926 book called 'Modern Buildings', produced by the construction company Stephen Easten Ltd (that used to be up at the top of Westgate Hill until they were bought out a couple of years ago).

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Binn's Ice Cream Parlour

Fantastic thread, brought back loads of memories. My memory of Binns was the ice cream parlour that my older sister used to take me to. Can anybody remember this? A picture would be fantastic.
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Fantastic thread, brought back loads of memories. My memory of Binns was the ice cream parlour that my older sister used to take me to. Can anybody remember this? A picture would be fantastic.
Sorry, I don't remember the ice cream parlour. Can you remember 'whereabouts' (roughly) in Binns that it was? That might help trigger some memories!

ALSO . . .

I have just found the below, which contains a good photo of the now demolished Bigg Market frontage of Binns, and also reveals how much they were asking for the site, as it was closing . . .

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Old December 21st, 2009, 12:01 AM   #114
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Fantastic thread, brought back loads of memories. My memory of Binns was the ice cream parlour that my older sister used to take me to. Can anybody remember this? A picture would be fantastic.
I think I remember it too, was it above the entrance on the bigg market or was that the coffee shop?
I used to get my school blazer bought for me in Binns as I think it was one of the only shops in Newcastle that stocked it, I always remember it being a bit of a tatty shop...happy days though all the same.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 10:48 AM   #115
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How FAMOUS is our SSC Sub-Forum then? . . .

I was just doing a basic 'Google Search' this morning in connection with the next Newcastle Department Store I thought we might discuss ('John Farnon Ltd') and my search produced THIS THREAD at the very TOP!

Amazing, see below copy of search page . .

Search Results

“The Department Stores of Newcastle” . . . Past / Present / Future ...
20 posts - 7 authors - Last post: 21 Nov
I think there is a lot to say about 'The Department Stores of Newcastle' . . their past, their present and their future. ...
www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1005737 - Cached

Fenwick (department store) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to Newcastle‎: The Newcastle store, which is one of Britain's largest department stores, holds a spectacular Christmas window tableaux each year, ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenwick_(department_store) - Cached - Similar

Ronald Binge - Robert Farnon Society
Robert Farnon current news · Robert Farnon CDs · Robert Farnon discography ... Binge's income from his day job in the gent's outfitting department of a town centre store. ... for an examination in German in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. ...
www.rfsoc.org.uk/rbinge.shtml - Cached - Similar

Jumping Bean - Robert Farnon Society
Jim Entwistle recently went into his local HMV store in the north of England ...... period on secondment in the Light Entertainment department as producer, ...
www.rfsoc.org.uk/jim3.shtml - Cached - Similar

Fenwick - [ Skip intro ]
Department store chain selling fashion clothing and homeware. Includes charge card, recruitment and contacts for outlets from Kent to Northumberland, ...
www.fenwick.co.uk/ - Cached - Similar

Following the above, one of the mods has just confirmed that our SSC threads will often feature highly when anyone searches for the subjects we write about!

Interesting, how easily our thoughts can be found worldwide, by people not previously aware of the existence of the "Newcastle Forum", or even of SSC at all!


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SSC ranks very highly on google searches...
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Just out of curiosity .. does anyone remember 'Waterloo House' ?

it was a large department store on Thornton St/Waterloo St in the city. I believe it has now been converted into studio apartments. Quite a popular store back in the 80's along with 'Wengers'.
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Just out of curiosity .. does anyone remember 'Waterloo House' ?

it was a large department store on Thornton St/Waterloo St in the city. I believe it has now been converted into studio apartments. Quite a popular store back in the 80's along with 'Wengers'.
I can definitely remember the name, but I didn't know it was a 'Department Store'.

Was it somewhere near here? . . .

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this building should never have been demolished, it really fitted well alongside its neighbours which were of a similar design. the red-brick replacement is pure tat and spoils the unified effect the buildings fronting the bigg market square used to have.
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I don't understand why it was demolished either. They kept the facades of the Market Street and Grainger Street frontages, why not the Bigg Market one too? It was quite an attractive building, and as you say, far better than the "T J Hughes" entrance now is!




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I can definitely remember the name, but I didn't know it was a 'Department Store'.

Was it somewhere near here? . . .

yup, this is the very building .. the old entrance can be seen to the bottom left and it spanned 4 floors with one of those fabulous 'wengers' style passenger lifts ! i'm suprised few people know of this store ..
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