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Old March 8th, 2010, 12:20 AM   #281
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Nice jeepneys! They look a lot better than those from iloilo "ewanko-type-jeepneys".
So does that mean that the Ilonggo culture is also "ewan ko?"
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just want to ask, why can't the Philippines produce its own car just like how tata motors of india is doing?
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Just like Malaysia is to Proton?
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So does that mean that the Ilonggo culture is also "ewan ko?"
Ewan ko rin tsong.

I just wish that they could come up with something more systematic, advance, environmentally friendly, and properly classified PUV instead of building those ones and kept insisting they are "jeepneys". I hope you get my point this time.
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just want to ask, why can't the Philippines produce its own car just like how tata motors of india is doing?
They need more than a political will to do so, and there are more factors that may be involved in developing our own made vehicles, it's not that easy. When people tried to do such without the help of the goverment, they usually ended up like what's happening in iloilo, committing infrigements and mixing all parts that they could get their hands on to build an "ewan-ko type" vehicles with no proper classifications. That's why, they really need a lot of government's guidance and support to help some filipino local-car makers, assemblers, to come up with proper vehicles that can go with the international standard, and mostly, that can compete and give the philippines the much needed revenue boosts.
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Ewan ko rin tsong.

I just wish that they could come up with something more systematic, advance, environmentally friendly, and properly classified PUV instead of building those ones and kept insisting they are "jeepneys". I hope you get my point this time.
Well, they're jeepneys still since they serve the function as jeepneys. It'll be different if it is configured as a bus, but anyway, at least you should acknowledge the ingenuity that Filipinos can do such.

However, would Jeep of GM be able to file a copyright infringement towards Sarao and others as well?

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They need more than a political will to do so, and there are more factors that may be involved in developing our own made vehicles, it's not that easy. When people tried to do such without the help of the goverment, they usually ended up like what's happening in iloilo, committing infrigements and mixing all parts that they could get their hands on to build an "ewan-ko type" vehicles with no proper classifications. That's why, they really need a lot of government's guidance and support to help some filipino local-car makers, assemblers, to come up with proper vehicles that can go with the international standard, and mostly, that can compete and give the philippines the much needed revenue boosts.

...is it still feasible for the Philippine government to introduce its own, like what Malaysia did to its Proton? Would it be possible if DOST is in all out support for its R&D, especially automobile industry, at least for the Philippines' use...and not ending up the patents to the big foreign car manufacturers? There was a prototype of hybrid engines being done here in the Philippines, yet support from the national government.

So basically, what is your suggestion to the Philippine government in aiding the PUVs and


By the way, Iloilo jeeps are known as passad. They have a name, rather than "ewan-ko-type." Because if jeepneys were "invented" today, they too may be called "ewan-ko-type." Hehehe!!! Basically, were one at the same.

And you don't have to worry since it is confined in one corner of the country. It wouldn't be viral, hehe!!
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In time we will produce our own.

Right now, our leaders are not as visionary as Mahathir of Malaysia which dreamed of a Malaysian national car like Proton and Perodua, malaysia's second national car.

We may and we can start from what we do best, jeepneys and PUJs like the Passad of Iloilo and XLT of Pampanga.

The owner type jeeps and humvee type jeeps can also be considered.
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Old March 9th, 2010, 11:38 AM   #288
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Old March 9th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #289
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Anyway, I think GM killed Hummer. They could've negotiated with us...
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Well, they're jeepneys still since they serve the function as jeepneys.
And they do as well serve and function like a mini bus or a small shuttle bus.

Dude, they are not jeepneys. Let them call it Passad, and leave it right there because they will never be considered as one of the real jeepneys. Beside, the passad vehicles are actually close to AUV and PUV classifications since they were also been used as a passenger vehicles.

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It'll be different if it is configured as a bus, but anyway, at least you should acknowledge the ingenuity that Filipinos can do such.
Jeepney means a modified WWII jeep to serve and function like a mini bus. Learn the history of the real jeepneys before insisting what some people from iloilo been calling it as passad jeepneys. Well they are wrong, and it's about their time to stop calling it as a jeepney. First of all, they are full of infrigements and no originalities on their designs. They rather chose to install foreign car emblems, headlights, and front grills and hoods with some japanese made engines. So i can hardly say im proud of them, though i appreciate their hardworks but man, they are wasting their time in building such obsolete vehicles with primitive technologies. I hope you can spend more time to read my previous replies over and over again. Thank you.


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However, would Jeep of GM be able to file a copyright infringement towards Sarao and others as well?
That i'm not sure, but in my own opinion, i would say they might just gonna waste their time to do so. Why? Because they don't build those old WWII crap jeeps anymore so i dont see anymore reason for them to bother. And our jeepneys are not considered as "jeep" anymore. You should know why.



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...is it still feasible for the Philippine government to introduce its own, like what Malaysia did to its Proton? Would it be possible if DOST is in all out support for its R&D, especially automobile industry, at least for the Philippines' use...and not ending up the patents to the big foreign car manufacturers? There was a prototype of hybrid engines being done here in the Philippines, yet support from the national government.
This is an OT you know.

Anyways, the philippines actually were in the verge of developing our own automobiles under the late Ferdinand Marcos Sr. administration. It all started by market-calling an australian made VW Country Buggy as, "Sakbayan".

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In 1967 Volkswagen Australasia Ltd. started with a project vehicle designed for Australia's rough conditions. This vehicle, designated Country Buggy or Type 197, was designed by project head Volkswagen Australasia's Managing Director Rudi Herzmer and VW Engineer Cyril Harcourt in VW Australia's Clayton Factory.

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Right now it is not feasible. Like what i said yesterday, this kind of project will only become feasible if the government actually intervene and should be the one who will initiate such programs to develop our own vehicles. But to make it feasible comes the political will first, without it, there would be no spark. After the political will, then a feasibility studies should be conducted how it should work in the local market whether what would be the chances of surviving such business, and most importantly is the availability of the funding to start such project and it's R&D. Included of the studies are the availability of expertise like engineers, and other industrial designers from different philippine universities. If successful and approved by the government, then i believe next comes the tapping of some private companies like our existing local vehicle manufacturers or even some foreign investors depending how much investment they are willing to share or contribute, and this can also be a joint-venture projects. But a competition of designs may also be required depending on the situation and the availability of the budget.

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So basically, what is your suggestion to the Philippine government in aiding the PUVs and
Since i am more on downsizing the numbers of jeepneys or passad PUV's or even replace them all atleast by some new bus transit system.

1. First of all they need to come up with an alternative employment replacements for all affected drivers.

2. Building more especial economic zones around a city or province are needed. Then everything should start with enough budget for them to be even able to start a program for this transportation infrastructure.

3. By feasibility studies and tapping some foreign or local private investors for an advance mass transportation system to replace the old ones, should be enough to sustain some modern regular bus transit system.

4. Leave some numbers of Passad PUV's and other jeepneys to service or shuttle tourists around the provinces with a new systematic organized route.
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I think the sakbayan daw was made actually in Australia.

The first Philippine made and design vehicle for export was made by Toyota under Delta Motors of Marcos crony Dante Silverio.

The vehicle was called Delta Mini Cruiser.
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I think the sakbayan daw was made actually in Australia.

The first Philippine made and design vehicle for export was made by Toyota under Delta Motors of Marcos crony Dante Silverio.

The vehicle was called Delta Mini Cruiser.
Here's a timawan report by Anak ni Sarge:


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In the 1970’s, a new trend in 4x4 sports cruising swept the Philippines. It was called rebuilding, sometimes referred to also as assemble depending on the depth of your mechanic’s vocabulary. It started when the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) began auctioning off unserviceable 4x4 jeeps it inherited from the US Armed Forces. The AFP was the biggest single recipient of rebuilt surplus MacArthur 4x4 jeeps at the end of World War II. It received the jeeps via Japan where they were rebuilt and refurbished as part of Japan’s Reparation to the Republic of the Philippines.

The MacArthur jeep was equipped wit the L-head engine, frequently referred to as the flat-head, achieved by locating the valves for the intake and exhaust in the block rather than in the head. Willys primarily manufactured the type but Ford manufactured some copies to supplement Willys production during World War II. The Willys type was generic while Ford’s copies had the Ford emblem stamped on almost all parts. An original Ford model today can fetch far more money than Willys, but only if carries the Ford emblem on the parts Ford stamped its brand name.


MacArthur jeep

Among the Filipino enthusiasts, the MacArthur was the easiest to rebuild since it had the most number of parts readily available. Local parts manufacturer cloned all its parts and even the remotest parts store carried them in abundance. It was also the cheapest to rebuild for the same reason. Up to today, a manufacturer can build any part for it on order in its Novaliches manufacturing plant. Many of the parts end up in the United States where there is a big demand for restored World War II vehicles.

After the MacArthurs, came the M-38. A few military versions were delivered to the AFP but the Philippines received mostly the civilian version from USAID. Both versions were also equipped with the L-head engine. Still the flat head but retuned to crank up more horsepower. In contrast to the MacArthurs, they were equipped with a better type of 3-speed transmission. The commercial version also had a high-speed rear end compared to the military version which was equipped with a low-speed rear axle. The Department of Health received all of the civilian models and used them for its Malaria Eradication Program while distributing some to Rural Health Physicians.The civilian models carried a big bold white sticker to their side that announced the units were donations from the people of the United States of America through USAID.


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It is easy to spot an M-38 from the MacArthurs in as much as their headlights were larger and protruding compared to the MacArthurs which had their headlight smaller and recessed. It is also slightly larger than the MacArthurs. A sealed copy of the original M-38, originally issued to the USMC was a ‘must have’ for the rabid Filipino rebuilder. They were harder to maintain though since even just a small crack on the high-tension wire can cause a misfiring of the engine. In keeping with the two types of M-38 shipped to the Philippines, about fifty percent of rebuilt M-38 were 4x2, maximized for their speed rather than their off-road capabilities. There were no 4x2 trannies available from the factory or the suplus market though so Filipino enthusiasts modified the 4x4 transmission by literally breaking the rear cover to expose the gear they wanted to connect directly to the rear axle, bypassing the transfer case. As a result most of those modified M-38’s had gear oil leakage problem, promptly solved by adding gear oil to the reservoir weekly. The rear axle was also modified to locate the gears midline as opposed to the original design of being slightly to the right since the transfer case was off center. The front live axle was modified by cutting off the gear housing and replacing it with an ordinary pipe tubing of the same size. The modified front axle came to be known as ‘bumbong’ in reference to the old bamboo cannon that children fired during the Christmas Season. The modified M-38 can achieve speed of up to 120km/hr. Far too fast for the Philippine road condition in the 70’s. The M-38 body design lives to this day although it has been somewhat modified over the years. Gonzales of Caloocan and a few others manufactured a most faithful reproduction of the original design. Jiffy Phils. sold running models with their signature modified windshield and oversized flares. It equipped its models with surplus Toyota 2-R gas engine, an obsolete Japanese engine model even then. The engines were only running on account of Filipino mechanics’ ingenuity.


M-38 jeep

When the Korean War broke out, the AFP sent its troops with the newer M-38A1, locally known as the Eisenhower. The Eisenhower sported an overhead camshaft in contrasts to the L-head engine of the MacArthurs and M-38’s. To the Filipino mechanic, the engine was known as “Balbinhed” a bastardization of the English reference ‘valve-in-head’. My Uncle Ed who served with the PEFTOK told us whenever their Eisenhower jeeps developed a small leak or a misfire, they’d drive them to the nearest US Army’s depot and asked for an engine replacement. The US Army was only too willing to do it rather than diagnose and treat the small problem. The US Army was awashed with so much money then. As a result, all the M-38A1’s of the Philippine Army came back home with brand new engines. My dad had a picture of him beside a PEFTOK M-38A1 in the dead of a Korean winter all dressed up in US Army winter regalia. The M-38A1 was stamped PHILIPINES in its windshield. After returning from the war, my Uncle Ed bought a surplus PA M-38Al stretched model. It was an ambulance model and it was originally sealed. It was a gas-guzzler but Uncle Ed used it to power his bakery’s kneading machine. Basically how he did it was jack up the rear of the jeep, took off the powered rear wheel, and attached a modified flywheel. The flywheel was then connected to the kneading machine and voila, he had a powered kneading machine.


M-38A1, Eisenhower. Also known as Balbinhed


M-38A1 Eisenhower stretched version

After the M-38A1’s came a cornucopia of other types of 4x4 jeeps like the Willys High Hood, modified Mitsubishi High Hoods and a sprinkling of brand new sealed M-151, known to the Filipino enthusiast as the Kennedy. It was also referred to as the Mighty Mite confusing it with the USMC all-aluminum shortened 4x4 jeep that did not last long with the Corps. The dreaded Philippine Army Task Force Saranay of the Martial Law years had sealed M-151, which they used to cross the swelled Cagayan River during the Monsoon Season.


M-151, Mutt. Also known as the Kennedy or "Mighty Mite"


The real USMC Mighty Mite


Willys High hood jeep

Like all things AFP though, none of the jeeps lasted long enough. Many fell into disrepair as soon as they were issued to the field for lack of maintenance and spare parts. All of them were soon auctioned off to the public, giving birth to the 1970’s fad of rebuilding them and dressing them up to US standard and markings. Gandara in Metro Manila became the Mecca for original spare parts. Forward-thinking Chinese businessmen who painstakingly towed away abandoned US Army MacArthur jeeps left on some forlorn places and lonely roads at the end of World war II sold original parts and accessories to the Filipino enthusiasts.
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One thing that i wonder about is why the standard jeepneys cabin height hasnt been improved like those on the "wow phils" tourist jeepneys ... .
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It might as well be a bus if you're able to stand at full-height when you're in a jeepney.
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Well not necessarily full height but say another 30 cm from the standard , i mean lol it probably doesnt cost that much more to add it , an Urvan probably has better cabin height yet not yet a bus .
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One thing that i wonder about is why the standard jeepneys cabin height hasnt been improved like those on the "wow phils" tourist jeepneys ... .
You can't just expect those jeepney operators to be able to afford such a cost no matter how much it is, specially if there is no existing law that oblige them to do or follow.
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Well i meant that i was wondering why they havnt modified the dimensions for new builds , obviously probably because of cost and maybe because the average passengers opinions probably arent really heard and are overlooked , not that they probably think about it either lol , so this could be a reason why the country hasnt got much of an auto industry since there isnt much in the way of even researching what ordinary folks think or the ergonomics for the passengers , lol ty i guess ive just answered my own thought's .
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One thing that i wonder about is why the standard jeepneys cabin height hasnt been improved like those on the "wow phils" tourist jeepneys ... .
This design doesn't look proportioned though. If they want people to stand I guess a minibus looks a lot better than this. Jeepney builders should hire Industrial Designers or go to design school themselves.
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