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Ok I may regret this but in the interests of debate and the spirit of open mindness (Belle I wouldn't entirely classify myself as a new urbanist but I do know quite a few of the major figures in the movement, I am sympathetic and try to keep an open mind though given all that I suppose I have drunk the kool aid and should just admit it and be damned!) thought some of you might be interested in Andres Duany's acceptance speech for both himself and Elizabeth Plater-Zyberk winning the Driehaus Prize, the world's largest architectural prize, last year. Most people won't have heard of this prize but it's worth a cool US $200,000. The reason people won't have heard of it is that to qualify you have to meet the following criteria:
• Should be an architect with a distinguished career • Should be accomplished in the disciplines of Traditional or Classical Architecture and/or Urban Design • Should have designed structures that create positive, long-lasting societal contributions (culturally, environmentally, artistically) • Should be an advocate of the traditional city and the public realm • Should emphasize sustainability and innovation Not exactly roll up roll up all ye starchitects then. Anyway Andres Dunay's remarks are rather interesting and there are some juicy bon mots to be had such as did you know that Peter Eisenman and Leon Krier are friends? Who'd have thought it?! But obvious when you think about it as they must have crossed swords on the architectural tutoring and debating circuit many times so couldn't not have gained a respect for each other. There's also a faustian pact in there with regards to New Urbanism and the taste of the American middle class which I suspect you might be interested in. And then Duany lays down the gauntlet to his traditionalist colleagues… I wonder how well that went down. So enjoy! Quote:
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Okay, he mentioned Venturi, not me. I've been to two of Venturi Scott Brown's buildings—the Seattle Art Museum and the Sainsbury Wing of the National Gallery—and they do not even approach the greatness of their idol, John Soane. Now, I'll fully admit I don't know much of the contemporary canon that he's talking about, but which of these architects are producing classical buildings as good as Palladio?
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That's because Venturi (and by association Denise Scott Brown) is a brilliant theoretician first and an architect second. He thinks too much before he makes a move and it shows. Too many of those buildings are like stage sets but Venturi loves that because he's coming out of pop art. Everything in the Sainsbury wing feels forced. It doesn't come naturally because he keeps labouring the point about how clever he is.
And your question is so unfair! One could turn it around and ask which contemporary architect is producing buildings as good as Le Corbusier? From what I've seen Bob Stern, Alan Greenberg, Tom Beeby, Rob Krier, and Thomas Gordon Smith do produce good work but to pin up for comparison with Palladio just would not be fair. Some of it is stiff, some of it is way too academic, some of it needs to break some rules. Some it down right bores me. And some of it isn't to my taste at all. But if these guys were producing works as good as Palladio you'd know all about it because it would be all over the media. From having an awareness of their work I think it would be fairer to say they are on a learning curve. But the point is that having been in the anything goes wilderness of post modernism these guys got out the other side by rediscovering that there were rules. The consequence of that is that they make good teachers and have open minds. Look at what Stern has done with Yale for example. But to at least try and answer your question I would say that for starters, and this is deeply unfashionable of me, Leon Krier can be good when he builds which is very rarely. Not, I have to admit, that I've been in a Leon Krier building. But he does his own thing within the classical language, knows when and where to bend and break the rules, and those occasional pieces can be good. They are most decidedly from his hand and not in anyway derivative or a pastiche. In some ways it’s a great shame he hasn't built more at least to demonstrate his talent. The other person I'd list as being good is Scott Merrill who doesn't have a particularly high profile but just gets on with it. http://www.merrillpastor.com/ For instance his Seaside Chapel from 2001 is not particularly well known but is actually rather good. http://www.merrillpastor.com/Seaside...el_Page_01.htm It's a deceptively simple structure that at first glance appears uncomplicated but is actually quite rich and admirably controlled. There's a touch of late Joseph Maria Olbrich and Heinrich Tessenow about it and I rather like that. Obviously neither of them are particularly fashionable either so I realise that this is a bit of an acquired taste! But I have always been pretty catholic in that regard anyway.
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The reason I asked it though is because of the line "Classicists today can be as good as their masters even while still young", which is soon followed by "propose a new ethos -- one no longer dedicated to the recovery of the classical canon of Vitruvius, Palladio and Vignola, but to expanding that canon". The implication of which is that we've already passed the rediscovery phase, which every revival goes through, and we're ready for the expansion of the languauge. Looking at the Seaside chapel, the interior space does actually seem quite pleasant: image hosted on flickr ![]() ...and yet, I just can't help but think of dozens of churches from the last 100 years that just seem so much more interesting (FLW's Unity Temple, at which my ex-girlfriend's grandparents worship, Gillespie Kidd & Coia's St Bride's, Corbusier's Notre Dame du Haut, Jørn Utzon's Bagsvard Church church, etc etc etc), and when I go back to thinking about the Seaside chapel, I just can't get Grant Wood out of my head:
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but what the hell is going on here?
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This is so funny. You reach for something in your arsenal and reach for mine!
Listen I'm not disputing that any of the churches you list are not anything other than masterpeices. But it is very difficult for me to reach for classical examples from the same period to combat that! Perhaps Lutyen's Liverpool Catherdral if it had been built. With Classicism we're talking about an architectural language that was largely marginalised from the end of the second world war until the mid 70's. How many talented architects from that period would have sought to explore it at the risk of being ostracised and marginalised and seeing their critical reputation in tatters? Even when it begins to re-emerge its treated as an ironic joke as a way to avoid that. The only serious British Classical architect I can think of from that period that is worth their salt is Raymond Erith. And that's, er..., it. I think you also have to understand the context and audience that Duany is speaking to. The whole re-discovery of the canon thing has gone hand in hand with a dogmatic insistence on adhering to the rules. Every building produced is scrutinised through that lens. It makes for a very inward looking and elitist movement. But Duany is a reformer and he sees this massive middle ground that isn't occupied by either modernist or the very tiny classical camp and he wants to claim it. He's pointing out that it will never happen for the classical camp if its adherents would rather nit pick over the execution of the details. He also thinks that by doing so they are stifling creativity and consequently risk being stuck in a cul-de-sac (pardon pun). I happen to agree with him. The thing I like about the Seaside Chapel is that it is a decent ordinary charming piece of work that is probably well loved by its congregation and community. Ok it isn't a peice of high art in the way that Ronchamp is but it is still good work and deserves some respect. And ok the Grant Woods (ouch!) reference did make me laugh! Yes I have to admit it is hard to shake that off and see beyond it. The reason I have a soft spot for Classicism is because of the likes of Lutyens and Plecnik. They seem to get such joy and invention out of what can be a very humane language. A language that reached enormous creative and artistic heights. It is also a language that solved it's problems with regards to urbanism. Something that modernism still struggles with. I see a lot within the Classical langauge we could learn from. So it depresses me that this enormous langauge, that brings with it so much knowledge, was set aside as somehow unworthy of examination on grounds that seem little more than ideolgical dogma i.e. as being nothing more that the oppressive dead hand of history that had to be lifted. And no I don't know what's going on with that building either. It doesn't appear to be particularly well resolved three dimensionally.
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It's going to hell
Big mess and nothing special... After some corrects it would look better, I think.
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it was asked if Ben Lomond could be seen from Glasgow a while back well thi was taken from springburn early december
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From the P&J:
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Funding for rural communities 02/04/2009 More than a thousand proposals from rural businesses and communities have been awarded £67 million from Rural Priorities, as much as the previous three funding rounds put together, it has been announced today. Successful applicants have included a dairy business in East Lothian who will use their grant to develop the business and give it a competitive edge, and a renewable energy project for a small company in Orkney. This latest round of Rural Priorities funding was opened up in response to stakeholder demand and has been marked by an unprecedented number of applications for agri-environment projects. The announcement came as Rural Affairs Secretary Richard Lochhead toured parts of Scotland with Mariann Fischer Boel, European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development. Mr Lochhead said: "The Scotland Rural Development Programme (SRDP), and in particular Rural Priorities, is a crucial part of the Scottish Government's economic recovery plan. "I am pleased therefore to be able to provide funding to so many rural businesses as they strive to develop, expand and remain competitive. "Successful applicants have included a dairy business in East Lothian who will use their grant to develop the business and give it a competitive edge, and the Fair Isle Bird Observatory, a development which will completely transform the remote island community. "I am also absolutely delighted to see that, even in the current economic climate, the appetite for agri-environment funding has not waned - far from it. "Applications for this type of funding have reached such levels that we have received almost as many in this funding round as in the entire first two years of the previous Rural Stewardship Scheme. "I have been particularly keen to ensure that, despite such demand, there have been resources to fund a number of high quality projects. However, high levels of demand mean that there may well be greater competition for funds in future rounds.
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Housing Minister to open architects' office in Glasgow. 2 Apr 2009 As the construction industry faces up to the trauma of the credit crunch, a Highland architecture practice is opening a new office in Glasgow. Dualchas Building Design - well known for its rural housing - has moved its city office to Templeton at Glasgow Green. And new housing minister, Alex Neil MSP, will be there for the official opening. Dualchas architect, Neil Stephen said. "The new office shows that we are confident about the future, and that there are opportunities for architecture practices, despite the recession. We're delighted that the minister will be there to show his support for our industry. "People often focus on renovations and extensions when the housing market is struggling, and we hope to show that high quality design can be cost effective, as well as beautiful." An open day for members of the public will be held between 9.30am and 3.30pm on Saturday the 18th of April at unit 4, Doges, Templeton Business Centre at Glasgow Green. Free advice from architects will be available, as well as advise on architect designed house kits from Hebridean Contemporary Homes. Alex Neil MSP, will be officially opening the office at 4pm.
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Lochalsh & Skye Housing Association's Burnside is now on site.
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been watching this one for a while - good to see they've finally got it on site - when were you up?
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Last up a week ago. It's just groundworks at the moment, so not much to see other than a lots of mud and some JCBs. I'm quietly looking forward to seeing this complete. Rural Design aren't exactly OMA, but they're building up a solid body of work that's far above the (admittedly low) quality of most new domestic projects in the Highlands.
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That Burnside development is great!!
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THROW OF THE DICE: Inverness Town House and Nessie feature on the Highland edition of Monopoly
More Pictures The Loch Ness Monster, the 19th-century Inverness Town House and the Press and Journal are to feature in a Highland version of Monopoly. Ben Nevis, CairnGorm mountain and Inverness Airport could also be included in the latest edition of the board game, which will be launched before Christmas. People in the Highlands are being asked to choose landmarks and places that could become spaces on the board, but the Press and Journal is one of a number of spaces that have already been allocated by the game’s makers. The newspaper’s logo could appear on one of three community chest spaces, with players who land on the square having to pick up a card which could impose a fine, pay out an insurance premium or send them to jail. Nessie is likely to be the most expensive “property”, swapping places with London’s Mayfair on the original Monopoly board. Official Loch Ness Monster Fan Club president Gary Campbell said: “Nessie is a real-life monopoly, generating millions of pounds for the Scottish economy. “She is Mayfair and all the rest put together, so would be worthy of winning top spot. Nessie is worth about £25-30million a year to Scotland, drawing people from all over the world.” The new game, which could be produced in English and Gaelic, is also being tipped to boost tourism in the region. Inverness Provost Jimmy Gray said: “I am certain the Monopoly Highland edition will be a great hit, and with Nessie set to appear very prominently – as we assured by the makers – then it really will have international appeal.” An Aberdeen version of Monopoly was launched in 2006, with Union Street, Duthie Park, Aberdeen Airport, Aberdeen University and Marischal College earning a place on the board. The Press and Journal also features on the community chest in the city edition. Voting for the Highland version starts at 10am today, with the poll closing at 10am on April 2. Read more: http://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/Art...#ixzz0hunFKnDK |
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Hey. I saw on the news that "Truman Show" architect is working on a project in Lochgelly.
Is he still involved with the Tornagrain new town? If so, anyone know how's it coming along? It's not been in the news for a while.. |
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We've already got Invernessopoly. I got given it as a Christmas present around 10 years ago to remind me of home
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Scorguie but been in Glasgow for a good few years now
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