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***Taller, Better*** · January 22nd, 2010, 05:51 AM

**ahem**

InTheBeach · January 22nd, 2010, 06:26 AM

I have to take that comment back. Thorncliffe is in post WWII East York.

Census tracts for Greater Vancouver and Toronto. Draw your own conclusions.

http://www.metrovancouver.org/about/...popdensity.pdf

http://www.brocku.ca/maplibrary/Atla...popdensity.pdf

***Taller, Better*** · January 22nd, 2010, 06:32 AM

I believe there is an active thread in the Canada forums, on the subject of sprawl in Canadian cities (which also has, for some reason, focused on Vancouver vs. TO).. Perhaps we should take that discussion here:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...624601&page=10

InTheBeach · January 22nd, 2010, 10:18 PM

Leave the People's Republic of Toronto?

dleung · January 23rd, 2010, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by InTheBeach

I think that you are contradicting yourself.

First Toronto sprawls too much, and this is evil. You have posted pictures from space that "prove" it.

Today you prefer 50km of low density sprawl, and post a picture of a neighbourhood on the edge of Toronto that is probably as dense as any area of Vancouver (denser than places such as Kitsilano where I have spent enough time to realize that its density resembles that of post WWII East York), and development like this is evil.

I will agree with you that Vaughan Mills is evil.

Good question. Kensingtonian asked it before but I don't think I explained it properly. Will do so in the "About Sprawl" thread in the Canada section.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...624601&page=10

***Taller, Better*** · January 23rd, 2010, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InTheBeach

Leave the People's Republic of Toronto?

Come visit us once in awhile!!

vid · January 23rd, 2010, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InTheBeach

But seriously, as much as I can't stand suburban Toronto "sprawl", it is bizarre to see housing on the edge of town which is semi, town, or detached units that have 5 ft between them. I've not seen that elsewhere. It looks ugly to me today, but I guess it is a good thing vs. 50x120ft lots.

What about apartment towers? I don't know if any of Toronto's "high rises across from farms" still exist, but Thunder Bay has quite a few large apartment buildings right on the edge of the city. In one case, a tower was built in what was basically the middle of nowhere (on a dirt road) and then a subdivision grew around it. We have a bunch of 3 and 4 storey apartment buildings tucked into a corner by the airport, I have no idea why they exist.

I would guess that as a percentage of the metro area, Thunder Bay has more area devoted to exurban development ("estate lots" and "camps", which you guys call "cottages") than the GTA.

InTheBeach · January 25th, 2010, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dleung

Good question. Kensingtonian asked it before but I don't think I explained it properly. Will do so in the "About Sprawl" thread in the Canada section.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...624601&page=10

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InTheBeach · January 25th, 2010, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

Come visit us once in awhile!!

Not gonna happen. Too busy, so I limit myself to this ghetto.

isaidso · January 25th, 2010, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kensingtonian

the super-rich are never going to live in a dated monstrosity like the one on the left.

The super-rich aren't going to live in neighbourhoods like this at all. It's the upper-middle income earners that one has to be concerned with. Even here, not all will have little appreciation for architecture. It's not something dependent on income level as people from every income bracket display similar behaviour.

The one on the left has far more potential than the newer cookie cutter model. Some people will recognize that, most will not.

vancouverite/to'er · April 28th, 2010, 05:07 AM

I heard that due to the GTA greenbelt developers are looking further north to expolit Simcoe county. Evil but smart considering the cheapness of the land and its proximity to both Toronto and cottage country
Here are some insane figures on National Post website

"The provincial government plan, called "Places to Grow," anticipates population growth of 3.7 million people by 2031 around the greater Golden Horseshoe – the region running from Niagara Falls to Peterborough, and up to the northern boundary of Simcoe County. For the county, it projects a total population of 667,000"

oceanmdx · April 28th, 2010, 05:48 AM

Just understand when talking about the 3.7 million population growth to 2031, they meant the increase will be from 2001 to 2031. The area has already seen an increase of about 1 million from 2001. So we're looking at closer to a 2.7 million increase from now to 2031.

Bisonblight · April 28th, 2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kensingtonian

They move there because they can get more house for their money. Most people would prefer to live in Toronto if they could afford a similar house in a good neighbourhood.

While that's true for a number of people, a lot of people in the suburbs (like my sister and her sorts) don't like the big city. Some people do like the suburban sprawl life, unfortunately.

Bartolo · April 28th, 2010, 07:11 PM

Even if they were to go north to Simcoe County, they still have to deal with Places to Grow policies. PTG policies includes a large swath of South Central Ontario, spanning from Waterloo Region in the west to Peterborough and Northumberland Counties in the East and Haldimand to the South and Simcoe to the North. Under PTG those large lot subdivisions in the middle of no where are not allowed to be built. Can never be approved since they do not conform to policies at all.

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InTheBeach Indie Bean Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Beach Posts: 2,305 Likes (Received): 2	I have to take that comment back. Thorncliffe is in post WWII East York. Census tracts for Greater Vancouver and Toronto. Draw your own conclusions. http://www.metrovancouver.org/about/...popdensity.pdf http://www.brocku.ca/maplibrary/Atla...popdensity.pdf __________________ You are a waterfall Waiting inside a well You are a wrecking ball Before the building fell And every lightning rod Has got to watch the storm cloud come. - Us Ones In Between, Sunset Rubdown

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*Taller, Better* Administrator Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 52,828 Likes (Received): 303	I believe there is an active thread in the Canada forums, on the subject of sprawl in Canadian cities (which also has, for some reason, focused on Vancouver vs. TO).. Perhaps we should take that discussion here: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...624601&page=10 __________________ Please visit my photoblog! Montréal \| Mexico \| Niagara-on-the-Lake \| Brazil \| Hamilton aka "The Hammer"! "Fine words butter no parsnips"-17th Century proverb.

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InTheBeach Indie Bean Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Beach Posts: 2,305 Likes (Received): 2	Leave the People's Republic of Toronto? __________________ You are a waterfall Waiting inside a well You are a wrecking ball Before the building fell And every lightning rod Has got to watch the storm cloud come. - Us Ones In Between, Sunset Rubdown

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April 28th, 2010, 05:07 AM	#71
vancouverite/to'er Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 2,007 Likes (Received): 1	I heard that due to the GTA greenbelt developers are looking further north to expolit Simcoe county. Evil but smart considering the cheapness of the land and its proximity to both Toronto and cottage country Here are some insane figures on National Post website "The provincial government plan, called "Places to Grow," anticipates population growth of 3.7 million people by 2031 around the greater Golden Horseshoe – the region running from Niagara Falls to Peterborough, and up to the northern boundary of Simcoe County. For the county, it projects a total population of 667,000"

April 28th, 2010, 05:48 AM	#72
oceanmdx Mr. Haney for President Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver/Cabo San Lucas Posts: 2,436 Likes (Received): 8	Just understand when talking about the 3.7 million population growth to 2031, they meant the increase will be from 2001 to 2031. The area has already seen an increase of about 1 million from 2001. So we're looking at closer to a 2.7 million increase from now to 2031.

April 28th, 2010, 07:11 PM	#74
Bartolo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hamilton (Dundas), ON Posts: 388 Likes (Received): 0	Even if they were to go north to Simcoe County, they still have to deal with Places to Grow policies. PTG policies includes a large swath of South Central Ontario, spanning from Waterloo Region in the west to Peterborough and Northumberland Counties in the East and Haldimand to the South and Simcoe to the North. Under PTG those large lot subdivisions in the middle of no where are not allowed to be built. Can never be approved since they do not conform to policies at all.