United States of Africa

wardenclyffeforever · May 29th, 2010, 03:14 PM

There are some hints that the next global trend may be the creation of continental federations, and I am interested in any news or opinions you have about this in general. We all know and love the European Union, but in this thread I'm interested to hear about any developments towards other continental federations, in particular the one I have just learned of, the African Union:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Africa

The African Union, consisting of 53 countries, is discussing the idea of forming the United States of Africa; this would be the largest nation on Earth, comprising the entire African continent, and home to more than a billion people. It would also have the 11th largest economy in the world, with a GDP over US $1.5 trillion. Once formed the new country would eventually encourage other nations of the 'African diaspora' to join (ie Carribean nations such as Haiti and Jamaica). I think this would be an amazing thing to happen, and it would go a long way towards reducing conflict and stabilising Africa.

So, tell me what do you think?

yousername · May 29th, 2010, 03:20 PM

If it did happen - I'm sure it would be like the EU not a huge country. (PS this isn't to do with development and therefore should be in Skybar/News)

Solopop · May 29th, 2010, 03:21 PM

GDP is terrible...

If so where would the capital be? Morrocco?South Africa? Kenya?

yousername · May 29th, 2010, 03:26 PM

Indeed second biggest continent - 14% of the world's population and still only 11th.

Alphaville · May 29th, 2010, 03:53 PM

You mention that this would "stabilise" Africa, but this would never get off the ground to begin with because Africa is too unstable.

There are too many rogue states to attempt to unite, too much power struggle.

wardenclyffeforever · May 29th, 2010, 03:58 PM

Well if that doesn't interest you, how about the Union of South American Nations? With a population of about 390 million and a GDP of about US $4 trillion, its potentially more of a big deal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_o...erican_Nations

hangman · May 29th, 2010, 04:38 PM

don't think that would get off the ground either, at least not as envisaged. Parts of south america hate each other too much.

An african federation would be destined to fail, too many different parties and ideals involved. Case in point, the existing african union - members leaving, or suspended due to political disagreements. About the only thing it can do is better consolidate african political power, which isnt much anyway.

isaidso · May 29th, 2010, 06:25 PM

You could create a successful, beneficial 'United States of Africa' as long as only some of the nations of Africa formed a union. Africa is a very diverse continent so a large grouping of nations would be too problematic.

isaidso · May 29th, 2010, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardenclyffeforever

Well if that doesn't interest you, how about the Union of South American Nations? With a population of about 390 million and a GDP of about US $4 trillion, its potentially more of a big deal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_o...erican_Nations

That name is too long winded. How about the United Republics of America? The United Provinces of America (although I prefer that one for Canada)? The Latin States of America?

Magnus01 · May 30th, 2010, 08:03 PM

I voted for a good idea,for no reason.I just think its a good idea
Tell me what do you think!

Looking/Up · May 30th, 2010, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isaidso

That name is too long winded. How about the United Republics of America? The United Provinces of America (although I prefer that one for Canada)? The Latin States of America?

What about the territories? Shouldn't it be "The United Provinces and Territories of America"?

Looking/Up · May 30th, 2010, 11:01 PM

I think it's a terrible idea. Africa is such an incredibly diverse place, with very different cultures and histories throughout. There have been enough problems between various groups within one nation (i.e. Rwanda, Nigeria, ...) to think that any much larger form of amalgamation would not work out (and could be disastrous).

***BrizzyChris*** · May 31st, 2010, 07:51 AM

When will Australia become part of New Zealand is the big question!

Indictable · May 31st, 2010, 10:46 AM

Tomorrow hopefully..

wardenclyffeforever · June 1st, 2010, 03:43 AM

Yay! West Island?

isaidso · June 2nd, 2010, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looking/Up

What about the territories? Shouldn't it be "The United Provinces and Territories of America"?

Um... perhaps they should become provinces. If PEI can be one, so can they.

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May 29th, 2010, 03:14 PM	#1
wardenclyffeforever Ass Kicker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Adelaide Posts: 131 Likes (Received): 0	United States of Africa There are some hints that the next global trend may be the creation of continental federations, and I am interested in any news or opinions you have about this in general. We all know and love the European Union, but in this thread I'm interested to hear about any developments towards other continental federations, in particular the one I have just learned of, the African Union: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_Africa The African Union, consisting of 53 countries, is discussing the idea of forming the United States of Africa; this would be the largest nation on Earth, comprising the entire African continent, and home to more than a billion people. It would also have the 11th largest economy in the world, with a GDP over US $1.5 trillion. Once formed the new country would eventually encourage other nations of the 'African diaspora' to join (ie Carribean nations such as Haiti and Jamaica). I think this would be an amazing thing to happen, and it would go a long way towards reducing conflict and stabilising Africa. So, tell me what do you think? __________________ Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?

May 29th, 2010, 03:53 PM	#5
Alphaville Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney. Posts: 3,769 Likes (Received): 42	You mention that this would "stabilise" Africa, but this would never get off the ground to begin with because Africa is too unstable. There are too many rogue states to attempt to unite, too much power struggle. __________________ i'll drop my gun, if you drop your pants.

May 29th, 2010, 03:58 PM	#6
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May 29th, 2010, 03:21 PM	#3
Solopop Solopop Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,148 Likes (Received): 27	GDP is terrible... If so where would the capital be? Morrocco?South Africa? Kenya?

May 29th, 2010, 04:38 PM	#7
hangman Registered User Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sydney Posts: 161 Likes (Received): 0	don't think that would get off the ground either, at least not as envisaged. Parts of south america hate each other too much. An african federation would be destined to fail, too many different parties and ideals involved. Case in point, the existing african union - members leaving, or suspended due to political disagreements. About the only thing it can do is better consolidate african political power, which isnt much anyway.

May 30th, 2010, 08:03 PM	#10
Magnus01 BANNED Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 89 Likes (Received): 0	I voted for a good idea,for no reason.I just think its a good idea Tell me what do you think!

May 30th, 2010, 11:01 PM	#12
Looking/Up Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,143 Likes (Received): 1	I think it's a terrible idea. Africa is such an incredibly diverse place, with very different cultures and histories throughout. There have been enough problems between various groups within one nation (i.e. Rwanda, Nigeria, ...) to think that any much larger form of amalgamation would not work out (and could be disastrous). __________________ I dropped you off at the train station, And put a kiss on top of your head I watched you wave, I watched you wave Then I went on home to my skyscrapers, Neon lights and waiting papers That I call home, I call it home - Adele

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