Peter Street Condos (328-340 Adelaide Street W) | U/C | 40 st | 130 m | Entertainment District

[Elkhanan1]

Menkes Developments Ltd.

architectsAlliance

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Posted on July 22, 2010 by Mongo on UT.



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Posted on July 22, 2010 by gristle on UT.

This preliminary proposal was presented at the King-Spadina community meeting on August 14th. The building would be situated at the corner of the block defined by Adelaide Street, Peter Street and Drummond Place. Presently, the buildings on that block consist of a small number two floor structures. The notable businesses now there include the Adelaide Street Pub, the Roosevelt Room and the former (infamous) Club 338.

The architect is aA (Peter Clewes presented), and the proposed height was 129 metres.


Posted by Mongo on UT.

According to this post, it will be 40 floors.

328 Adelaide Street West

Rezoning application for new 40 storey mixed use building with retail at grade, second and third floor commercial office space - 330 residential units, 118 parking spaces - 5 levels below grade parking.

[HipHopCanada]

The site:

[AndrewJM3D]

All of these new proposals are blowing me away. It seems like there's no end in site. My only concern it seems with all these new clubland developments is that they all seem to be around the 40 floor range. A few differnt hieghts would be nice.

[Travis007]

http://peterstreet.ca/

By: Urbanation

40-storey condo coming soon to the NE corner of Adelaide St W & Peter St by CentreCourt Developments

[sammo]

the music troubles me, takes me to a place i don't want to be.

[Travis007]

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2...file-34016.pdf

Based on the elevations, expect an aA Clewes tower similar to Tableau.

[MattToronto]

Can you imagine Spadina to Peter Street in the next 5 years?! So many projects there.

[Travis007]

Clubland is becoming Condo-Land.

[AndrewJM3D]

Originally Posted by Travis007

http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2...file-34016.pdf

Based on the elevations, expect an aA Clewes tower similar to Tableau.

Clewes = Quality.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by AndrewJM3D

Clewes = Quality.

But I'd rather watch paint dry than look at one of his buildings.

[MattToronto]

I don't mind them if you get them all in a mass of density. They'll look great!

[AndrewJM3D]

Originally Posted by isaidso

But I'd rather watch paint dry than look at one of his buildings.

Really? So you don't like Four Seasons, Ice, Pure & Clear Spirits, Casa, Mozo, Pier 27, Murano, Burano, Spire, District, Glas, Spire, and The Bloor Street revitalization?

[Innsertnamehere]

ice is one of the best developments for architecture going up in the city right now....

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by AndrewJM3D

Really? So you don't like Four Seasons, Ice, Pure & Clear Spirits, Casa, Mozo, Pier 27, Murano, Burano, Spire, District, Glas, Spire, and The Bloor Street revitalization?

I don't mind some of those buildings, but none of them captivate me. Architecture has the power to inspire, delight, and impress. Clewes buildings are usually well thought out and of high quality, but usually bore me to tears.

ICE isn't typical Clewes; probably why I like that one more than the rest. I do love the Four Seasons podium though. I'd prefer if Clewes stuck to doing podiums and leave high rises to someone else.

[AndrewJM3D]

But Toronto is a city of boxes and Aa Clewes does them best. In fact I can't think of another highrise architect in this city that does a better job on such a large scale..

[isaidso]

Mies did them infinitely better, as did IM Pei. Are we really going to have the 'Toronto is a city of boxes' debate again? We don't have to erect boxes for buildings to work in Toronto. Even if we did, there are better boxes out there than what Clewes spews out.

Clewes speaks to a very rigid design aesthetic held by the Toronto establishment. It's good quality, traditional to a fault, but agonizingly lacking in any charm or vibrancy. His buildings don't stir inside me any emotional response. If he actually designed a building with some sass, balls, imagination, animation, colour, power, musculature, brawn, playfulness, or God forbid sex appeal, I'd fall off my chair.

It is what it is.

[Taller, Better]

Hate to point it out, but most modern industrialized cities are "cities of boxes", because the vast majority of "modern" buildings built up until the last decade or so were rectangular in shape. There were exceptions to the rule, but the fact remains most buildings built were rectangular in shape.
We are definitely Number One for worrying about the boxes, though!
Perhaps we are simply exchanging one rigid design aesthetic for another when we dismiss any structure built that is not curved in shape.



Mies "did them better" because the budgets he worked with were massive. He did "la crème de la crème" of head offices for multinational corporations. Condo projects like the ones Clewes works on have a MUCH smaller budget, relatively speaking, than world headquarter towers for International banks. It is like walking into a Jacob
store and wondering why all the frocks aren't as beautifully made as the Valentino showroom in Milan. Mies was all about fanatical attention to detail and quality of materials, and that costs money.

Just sayin'.

[MattToronto]

Not to mention Mies did it first, and did it right. Architects won't just copy this, there needs to be some experimentation in there. X2 is a great "box" but it's basically a residential copy of the TD Towers and Seagram Building. Not that that is a bad thing.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Taller, Better

Hate to point it out

Is that directed at me, or someone else as I wasn't making an observation about whether Toronto was a city of boxes, Andrew was.

Having said that, one can come up with every reason out there why things are the way they are, but it doesn't change the fact that Clewes' buildings put me to sleep.

[AndrewJM3D]

It was me, I think Toronto is a boxy city but I like it like that. And Isaidso, nobody can tell you or anybody else what to like; but according to your Trump assessment and how you grade buildings there must be one or two Clewes you think are good ones. Just be glad it's not Concord Pacific or Pinnacle.