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Old September 15th, 2010, 08:15 PM   #101
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...detrimental effect on the city’s “exceptional” and “exquisite” architecture.
How bloody hypocritical of them. If they enforced their own rules about public signage and store fronts maybe we could experience this "exquisite" architecture they're talking about - rather than being subjected to the trashy lit-up signs from the 24-hour McDonald's branches and convenience stores all the way from Stephen's Green, up Grafton Street, around College Green and Westmoreland Street and up O'Connell Street.

There is nothing wrong with the picture above, in my opinion (the paving on the ground is a huge improvement than what's there at the moment). The cables can be hung from buildings (like on Harcourt Street) or poles similar to lampposts. If anything comes of this "demand" it'll be another few years before planning permission is even granted.

I'd rather have the Luas system with the cables than no system at all!
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Old September 17th, 2010, 12:07 AM   #102
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All just a little bit of history repeating...

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Will Luas extension lift south county prices?

Homeowners could once count on the Luas effect to boost values – but will the magic work when the Sandyford to Loughlinstown extension opens next month?

OCTOBER sees the opening of the Luas green line Cherrywood extension. Serving Glencairn, The Gallops, Leopardstown Valley, Ballyogan Wood, Carrickmines, Laughanstown, Cherrywood (in Loughlinstown) and Bride’s Glen, the seven-and-a-half kilometre tramline links the southwest suburbs with St Stephen’s Green in a journey time of 40 minutes – and at an approximate cost of €35 million per kilometre.

Can those at the end of the line expect to see a rise in their property prices?

It would be very naive to think prices will go up overnight. Stephen Day, negotiator at Lisney, St Stephen’s Green has managed the sale of apartments at Tullyvale, beside Cherrywood, one of the new stops. He says they were “very slow to sell”.

“The Luas will make properties more saleable, but right now price is 98 per cent of the selling equation. Price is everything.”

A working paper compiled by the ESRI in November 2008 analysed the value of rail transport to homeowners in the greater Dublin area. Its findings may temporarily lift hearts.

It stated that homeowners within 500 metres of a green line station in zone 2 (from Charlemont to Windy Arbour), purchased at or after the Luas opening date, would command a premium of 12 per cent. In zone 3, from Dundrum out, this premium rises to 17 per cent. Good news for the 90,000 people living within a catchment area of one kilometre of the existing track.

But that paper was based on house price figures compiled between 2001 and 2006. “In terms of house price premiums, 17 per cent is worth much less now than it was in November 2008,” says Richard S J Tol, research professor at ESRI and one of the paper’s authors.

The paper is more a general indication that people will pay a premium to live near the Luas, an ESRI report spokesperson concludes.

So does this apply to the new extension? Will it add a premium to property prices? Ronan Lyons, chief economist at Daft.ie, is exploring the ESRI’s figures and comparing them with Daft’s own asking prices. “From preliminary research there is a positive effect of 8-10 per cent on properties at existing stops within one kilometre of the green line,” he says.

This spike in prices is apparent on houses along the Luas green line only. Lyons’ research suggests that there may be a penalty for being too near, or on top of, one of the new red line Luas stops. “Many apartment blocks are on top of stations or at major junctions, which homeowners may prefer not to live next to.”

Not good news, then, for homeowners living near next year’s red line extension to Saggart.

Lyons explains: “The green line is in established areas and a bonus to houses already there, whereas a lot of the red line is in new areas.”

There are already 146,000 people living within a kilometre of the existing red line.

David Lewis, of Sherry FitzGerald Lewis Beirne, is more equivocal about the effect of the red line extension.

“In normal market conditions I’d say yes, proximity to the Luas does affect the price of a property but these are not normal conditions.

“Prices in Dundrum and Stillorgan were positively affected by the opening of the Luas in 2004 but that was in a rising market. Prices should go up before the Luas has arrived, not after. The extension is a distance of three miles and it will sell and help rentals – to what extent, percentagewise, I simply don’t know.”

Being on top of the Luas, however, is a negative selling factor on both lines. Stephen Day of Lisney had an apartment on his books that was too close to the Dundrum stop on the Luas green line. The property failed to sell.

Even if prices do go up, some homeowners living along the green line extension will not benefit. Brennanstown, a stop originally proposed, between Carrickmines and Laughanstown, is not opening in October.

“The lack of development means we’re not in a position to open the stop,” says Ger Hannon, director of corporate services at the Railway Procurement Agency. “Homeowners living there will lose out,” says David Browne of HT Meagher O’Reilly.

Elsewhere along the line the Luas extension is driving interest, if not prices. Browne has sold half-price apartments in Carrickmines Green on Glenamuck Road in Dublin 18, close to one of the new stops.

“The Luas extension has been a big factor for most of our buyers but the properties were also down 55 per cent from their original off-plan prices. Demand was incredible. There was a 1,000 per cent increase in viewings.” Browne took 83 deposits on the launch weekend and says “All prospective buyers walked the estimated 800 metres down to the bottom of the hill to determine the property’s distance from the light rail station.”

He also cites the example of three-bedroom semis in The Gallops, Leopardstown. “We haven’t seen an upturn in capital appreciation but the properties are selling more quickly,” says Browne.

On the green line, the Luas has created a “ripple effect” in terms of the value of properties less than a 15-minute walk to their nearest station, says Geralyn Byrne of Sherry FitzGerald in Terenure. This has negatively affected lesswell-connected parts of Clonskeagh and Goatstown, and the M50 side of Ballinteer.

Pat Mullery of DNG agrees that a property within a 10-minute walk of a Luas station would command a premium. “The Luas has more to offer someone living in Stepaside than in Ranelagh, from where they can walk into town. The bigger impact on house prices will be seen further out the line. I would estimate it to be in the order of five to 10 per cent.”

Buyers are beginning to explore areas outside their historical comfort zones, says Anne Rafferty of Sherry FitzGerald Dundrum. “Sandyford and Leopardstown may not have the same selection of well-established schools as other areas but the tramline opens up some of south county Dublin’s best private schools to a wider catchment area.” She has sold to parents who use the park and ride facilities at Sandyford to deliver their St Mary’s or Gonzaga-going children to the Luas.

Good transport links are a strong selling point. A first-time buyer who has just bought a two-bedroom, two-bathroom apartment costing €190,000 in Carrickmines Green claims location and price were crucial factors. “I’d estimate that proximity to the Luas accounted for 30 per cent of my decision,” she explains.

“Househunters have a wish list,” says Day. Accessibility and orientation are critical. Amenities are crucial, adds Weston Desmond, negotiator at Sherry FitzGerald in Dún Laoghaire.

“Good transport links are a strong selling point. A 12-minute walk is the deal breaker. Anything more than that is not a preferred option for househunters.”

In this market it’s really about saleability rather than price, says Rafferty. “If the property has a broader appeal it will get more people into the house and you have a better chance of selling.”
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Old September 26th, 2010, 07:53 PM   #103
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When the hell are they going to connect lines up? So when I arrive at Connolly I can go to straight to Stephens Green or when I arrive at Heuston I can go straight to St Stephens Green!
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Old September 27th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #104
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When the hell are they going to connect lines up? So when I arrive at Connolly I can go to straight to Stephens Green or when I arrive at Heuston I can go straight to St Stephens Green!
You'll be a while waiting Plank. I'd say your best bet will be the underground interconnector though; much more likely to go ahead than the luas bxd. It'll connect Heuston Stephen's Green and Connolly, so no more junkie ridden Talbot street hopefully...
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Old September 27th, 2010, 07:40 PM   #105
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Old October 12th, 2010, 05:13 PM   #106
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The name of this thread is Luas update and the latest entry is weeks old.

Doesn´t anyone who contributes to this thread have a camera and live near the Luas Cherrywood line? I have read that they have been trial running for weeks now but haven´t seen anything here. I haven´t seen much from the Point extension either. (A good photo point would be near the Harbour Master)

You should see the threads from Manchester and other English cities who are building tram systems. They are full of daily progress shots.
I hope this thread could at least equal the up to dates in Irelands motorways in remote parts of Ireland, with all it´s pictures of acres of asphalt.

Come on guys, boast a bit and stop moaning about the inevitable Nimbys who do everything to put a spanner in the works of Luas, Metro North and Dart Underground . Luas is great and many cities in GB and on the continent are dead envious of Luas.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #107
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Here's a few LUAS red line pics from my phone, they're around Georges dock:
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Old October 14th, 2010, 03:07 PM   #108
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Thanks for the photos Noodles. Looks very "Continental"
Hope you are out near Cherryville next week.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 09:12 AM   #109
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From today's Irish Times:

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The leafy new Luas journey

TIM O'BRIEN

Fri, Oct 15, 2010




The Luas Green Line extension, which opens tomorrow, is a winding scenic journey through the foothills of south Dublin. But much of the industrial development and housing it was to serve has not been built

THE LUAS Green Line extension from Sandyford to Cherrywood, which opens amid celebrations and free travel tomorrow, seems destined to become the “country cousin” of the Luas network.

The additional 7.5km, which takes Luas through 11 stops almost to the Wicklow border, was to have been a high-capacity, fast transport link between the industrial parks at Sandyford and Cherrywood, and a catalyst for high-density housing and commercial development.

But, as the first passengers who line up for a free ride on Saturday will see, the building boom evaporated and a good proportion of the new line is a winding, scenic journey through the foothills of south Dublin, providing panoramic views of mountains and the sea.

Such was the sudden halt to developers’ aspirations that two of the stops, at Racecourse and Brennanstown, will not open for the foreseeable future, due to the absence of road access and local development.

Just under half of the €300 million cost of the line was to have come from special development levies on buildings approved along a one kilometre corridor either side of the line. But how much of this money has been collected remains unknown. Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council, which says it has more then two decades to collect levies, is conducting an audit. Railway agency personnel confined their comments on the issue to remarking on how innovative it was that transport infrastructure was being put in place before the houses, apartments and commercial premises.

But if some of the promised business units, industrial development, housing and levies have stalled, what is left is still a very important transport corridor – for some.

Luas personnel have not been slow to point out the Green line will now connect Carrickmines and Fitzwilliam tennis clubs. It will also connect the premier shopping area of the city with some of the State’s most expensive private housing.

Leaving Sandyford, the journey starts with a climb up the new bridge across the Leopardstown roundabout, exposing the first of a series of views across south Dublin to the Pigeon House and the sea in one direction, the verdant Leopardstown Park Hospital and Racecourse in another.

As the tram turns on the curved bridge the foothills of the Dublin mountains come into view, as does the first stop at Central Park business campus.

The route then heads southwest across the M50, past the gates to the British ambassador’s residence at Glencairn, and on to the eponymous second stop. From there the tram turns southeast, down Ballyogan Road opening up a vista of Killiney Bay between the leafy Kilgobbin Wood and the Gallops housing estate. There are stops at the Gallops, Leopardstown Valley and Ballyogan Wood – until the line rises again, this time passing the upstairs windows of homes in Ballyogan.

The route goes eastwards back across the M50 to Racecourse stop. It was intended Racecourse would be utilised on busy race days but roads and paths between the stop and the racecourse itself were not completed.

So trams will speed on to the Carrickmines stop at the back of the former Carrickmines Station House, on what was once the Harcourt Street Railway. Here the line affords close-up views of the backs of very large houses on substantial, manicured gardens at Brennanstown Vale. There was to have been a new road offering access to a 350-space park and ride site at Carrickmines, but this did not develop and is now expected next year. The lack of development also means the next stop, Brennanstown, will not open this weekend.

Moving on towards Laughanstown and Cherrywoood there is evidence of fields south of the line being cleared for development, but they are now weed-strewn and the route twists and turns through open countryside. A deep valley close to Glen Druid is revealed, the tops of mature trees visible below the line. Next are quite magnificent vistas of Killiney Bay while another turn brings views across to the smelter tower at Kilternan. Views are also possible southwards to the Sugarloaf, with the Wicklow mountains in the distance.

At Cherrywood the line comes back to an industrial park – much of it as yet undeveloped – and crosses a bridge to the last stop, Brides Glen, located close to the Dell building in the Cherrywood industrial park.

Opening celebrations, which begin at 11am tomorrow, will involve “family fun” and treasure hunts as well as free travel on the entire Green line all weekend. After that a single journey fare from Brides Glen to Dublin will cost €2.80.

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Old October 16th, 2010, 03:09 PM   #110
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And the green line extension is open!

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Luas Green Line extension opens
Updated: 13:51, Saturday, 16 October 2010

An extension to Luas Green Line at Cherrywood in south Co Dublin has been officially opened by the Taoiseach, Brian Cowen.

An extension to Luas Green Line at Cherrywood in south Co Dublin has been officially opened by the Taoiseach, Brian Cowen.

The new 7.5km line cost €300m to build and is expected to add over 2m passenger journeys a year to the tram network.

There are now nine new stops on the line.

They are at Central Park, Glencairn, The Gallops, Leopardstown Valley, Ballyogan Wood, Carrickmines, Laughanstown, Cherrywood and Bride's Glen.

Story from RTÉ News:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1016/luas.html
Here's the updated Luas map:



The Luas website has also been updated.
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Old October 20th, 2010, 12:45 AM   #111
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A lot of the new line seems to travel through land zoned for future development, so it's more brown fields than green fields in parts, as the article suggests. Took a trip on it last weekend; was surprised by the nice views it afforded of the sea and mountains!!!

Here's a good link to photos taken along the new route. Starting at around this picture here!!!

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Old November 1st, 2010, 08:14 PM   #112
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They really should have done the extension to Bray as part of the one project IMO.


Having said that I have heard that it is actually quick to travel by car from Cherrywood to Dublin then take the luas because of the length of the line and all the stops at stations.
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Old November 3rd, 2010, 10:33 AM   #113
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They really should have done the extension to Bray as part of the one project IMO.
I disagree - considering that the line would simply be going through more fields and looking how empty parts of the new extension are.

Bray will have an excellent connection to the city centre through Dart anyway. I don't think trams are suited for that sort of distance.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 09:23 PM   #114
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As posted earlier, here is a pic of the very attractive canopy over the new Belgard interchange Luas stop:

http://www.rpa.ie/PublishingImages/L...Disclaimer.jpg

I live just accross the road and unfortunately, the Red Line was closed today because it seems the canopy was shreaded by the high winds and fell onto the power cables!

This has only been in place since late Summer, and, these are the first strong winds it has had to withstand.......doesn't say much for build quality or the materials used!

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Old November 12th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #115
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i see the fares have gone up again. used to cost 1.90 for a single adult from dundrum to stephens green, its now 2eur. can they just hike the prices when ever they feel like it? ima bus man myself usually
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Old November 13th, 2010, 11:46 PM   #116
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It's a rip off. A fucking RIP off! 1.50 to go across the city from Connelly to Heuston.
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Old November 14th, 2010, 02:38 AM   #117
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I'd say the biggest rip off in Dublin public transport is the €6 ride to the Airport from the center, which is much worse than LUAS as it's much slower, more expensive and it stops almost at every traffic light
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Yeah that is rip-off. You're probably better taking the coach through the tunnel...
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Old November 14th, 2010, 04:34 AM   #119
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It's a rip off. A fucking RIP off! 1.50 to go across the city from Connelly to Heuston.
A quid thats ruddy cheap! :-) Especially in Dublin.
On the continent I've paid similar for single trips. I assume weekly tickets etc are cheaper for regular trips
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Does anybody know if the Luas line F is going ahead? Makes sense to link the Red Line up to the City Centre.
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