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Old October 9th, 2010, 12:10 PM   #1
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St Andrew's Dock

Sorry - No news on the massive multimillion pound regeneration scheme we are all hoping for - yet - but I thought it might be interesting to start a thread to discuss the history and development potential of St Andrews Dock. The area is large enough and important enough to be given it's own thread rather than be lumped into the West Hull regeneration thread.

What are your views on this prime land close to the city centre, railway and on the main western approach road to the city?

I'm currently working in Salford Quays and it struck me recently that some of the original, relatively small scale developments from the late 80's in that part of Manchester, such as the now abandoned and due for demolition multiplex cinema and chain restaurants that got the ball rolling are pretty similar to what was in place at St Andrew's Dock in the early 90's (anybody old enough to remember the UCI, Megabowl and Jazzbo Brown's will know what I mean) and I realised that there may have been missed opportunities to create something similar for Hull.

Instead of using that initial impetus to attract homes, offices and improved transport connectivity a large tranche of land was instead redeveloped as a horrible big shed retail park specialising in bulky goods. I just wonder if this use of the area underestimated it's potential, and if so...what can be done?

The opportunity is still there to use the legacy of the area to create something really special...a permanent memorial to the city's lost trawlermen must be included - it is shameful that nothing of this nature exists already. Perhaps associated research centre's and visitor attractions should be included in any future plans or development framework?

Some references to help the topic are here...the one showing news headlines regarding the initial plans for regeneration and it's attendant opposition is particularly interesting.

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From the Grimsby Telegraph:
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How St Andrew's Dock brought life, jobs and business to city
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bustling with business: St Andrew's Dock in 1954 with fish being unloaded.
ITS waters are a permanent feature of our landscape... Stuart Russell continues his tour of the River Humber to West Hull...

WEEKEND and the Humber Bank in West Hull is, as they say locally, "heaving."

Cars by the hundred trundle to and from the DIY superstore and assorted barns of places selling anything from three piece suites to bikes to the latest in hi-tech sound and vision, which now grace what was once the western end of St Andrew's Dock.

Just a few yards from all this the murky brown waters of the estuary are capped with white as there's a fresh easterly blowing much to the satisfaction of that hardy breed who sail their yachts along these cold and uninviting waters.


It's a bright day with cloud and on the riverfront a line of fishing rods, their lines extending into the river murk are watched by men and boys who come here not only to fish but to gossip.

Not many years ago the chances of them catching anything half decent were slim to say the least. But now the Humber – as estuaries of its size go – is clean and the fish are coming back.

What will not come back, however, is the type of fishing which helped Hull became the world's biggest fishing port, a claim still hotly disputed to this day by rival Grimsby across the Humber.

Neighbouring the modern trading estate is a place of memories, a bleak and semi-derelict reminder of what once stood here.

Little remains of St Andrew's Dock from which in years past the great Hull trawler fleet left to ply its trade in the great northern waters of Iceland, Norway and Greenland. Most returned. Many did not.

Businesses that became legendary once traded from here, for many years the home of the greatest trawler fleet on earth.

Stand today at the lock head of what was once St Andrew's Dock and there is little remaining to bring a reminder of those glory days when fish and fishing played a key role in Hull's economy.

But in one respect nothing has changed, for the ever-restless muddy waters of the River Humber still flow past this place just as they have for millennia.

Without the river this dock, which opened on September 24, 1883, could never have existed. But that day marked an important milestone in the city's story, for it brought new life, business and jobs to the west of the growing city.

The cost of creating the new dock was £414,707 and the opening was an opportunity for ceremonial splendour. Local dignitaries sailed to it from Victoria Pier to watch as the chairman of Hull Dock Company, Mr J R Ringrose performed the official ceremony.

For the next century St Andrew's Dock was in many respects a town in its own right. Here were coffee shops, offices, banks, outfitters and repair facilities, not forgetting what was at one time the busiest telegraph office anywhere in Britain.

And here, too, were net stores, rope stores, coaling facilities, a fish meal plant from which an un-mistakable smell wafted over the packed terraces of neighbouring Hessle Road, and an ice factory.

All are now but memories.

In the story of the River Humber, St Andrew's Dock has a special place. It may now be gone. It will never be forgotten.



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Old October 9th, 2010, 12:28 PM   #2
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The same happened at Kingston retail park and the Odeon and Ice arena. Just as at St Andrews dock the area deserved better than just to be home to sprawling car parks and low-rise sheds. Meridian Quay in Swansea shows how it should be done.
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Old November 27th, 2010, 06:13 PM   #3
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New dock owner reveals his long-term vision for a 'maritime educational campus'


HULL'S St Andrew's Dock will be given a new lease of life, the site's new owner has pledged.

Phil Akrill has laid out his long-term vision for the eastern part of the dock, including the Bullnose.

His company, Manor Property Group, bought the 500,000 sq ft site for an undisclosed fee this summer.

Under plans, the area will be transformed into a "maritime educational campus".


Key buildings, including the derelict Lord Line trawler company office, are set to stay.

Meanwhile, the run-down area between the outer Bullnose and Mr Chu's Chinese restaurant will be flattened.

By the end of the year the spot where trawlermen waved farewell to loved ones will be safe for people to come and reflect.

Mr Akrill's spokeswoman Claire Levy suggested the Bullnose could host Lost Trawlermen's Day in February.

Fishing heritage group Stand recently revealed it was likely to break with tradition in 2011 and hold the service on land near the Sailmakers' Arms pub.

Mrs Levy said: "We fully respect Stand's intent and ethos and wish them all the best with whatever they decide.

"The outer Bullnose area will be tidied and cleared by the end of this year. Dangerous buildings will be pulled down.

"It will be open to the public. Anyone who want to come and cast flowers into the Humber will be welcome to do so.

"It is important former trawlermen, and their loved ones, have somewhere to go to reflect."

Speaking about longer term plans for the former dock, Mrs Levy said Mr Akrill had already compiled a team of architects and engineers.

She said: "Mr Akrill does not want commercial vulgarity. The site will not be used for more houses and apartments.

"He is tremendously supportive of the work to preserve Hull's fishing heritage and feels this is an opportunity to give something back.

"Mr Akrill wants to create a place where people can go to remember what has been before.

"The whole development team has been appointed – ground engineers, electrical and mechanical engineers. It is all in place and running.

"We are on site now to start making it happen. We want to get this finished by 2014."

Mr Akrill, whose company developed Queen's Court in the city centre, is hoping to get Hull College and the city's university, as well as other educational establishments across Yorkshire, involved in the ambitious project.

Mrs Levy said: "Using our six old buildings, we will make an offer to the educational establishments on this city and further afield.

"We will see if they are interested in creating a marine/educational facility, in a campus style, on a prime land adjacent to the Humber.

"If all the buildings are fully utilised, 3,000 people, including staff and students, could be based here."

As well as the former Lord Line office, others set to be revamped include the former Marr and Seafish Industry Authority buildings and a listed pump house and associated buildings.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 01:02 PM   #4
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manor have done what they do best!
A fancy sign has apperared saying manor and something to do with a campus.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 02:20 PM   #5
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I highly expect that that will be all they will do there.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 07:33 PM   #6
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Lets be realistic here though, at least putting up a sign is more than other developers are doing in the city.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 09:06 PM   #7
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Actually that's all they've done on all there developments, stuck a or some 'manor' signs on all the derelict buildings they own.
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Old January 15th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #8
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At least their keeping the sign manufacturers busy....
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http://www.thisishullandeastriding.c...ail/story.html

Let you read it yourself, some of the councillor's comments are interesting, seems they are tiring of Manor's 'stream' of never-built planning applications
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Old December 7th, 2012, 01:19 PM   #10
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They're a joke, end of. Not sure how they're actually making a living from their company?
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Old December 7th, 2012, 02:35 PM   #11
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The whole idea of student accommodation on St Andrews Quay is a very flawed concept indeed. How any councillor can approve this scheme is beyond me. If i was a student moving to Hull i would rather live within walking distance of some nightlife and a vibrant studenty atmosphere such as the Avenues. The way Manor aim to overcome this isolation is to improve the subway under Clive Sullivan Way. A subway which leads to a delightful industrial estate and eventually Hessle Road.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 03:41 PM   #12
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Point taken about the relative isolation of this site an stupid application with it's industrial surroundings but I've ways thought Hessle Road an the Boulevard have potential to be a sought after area in a very similar vein to the Avenues. Perhaps expanding the student population round there might encourage more diverse businesses to open in what is already a bustling shopping district.
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Like I've mentioned previously, isolation can work, as it does in Huddersfield. Storthes Hall is about 5 miles out of Huddersfield, but has a partnership with the university to market it to new students as the village for Freshers, so about 80% of people starting university in Huddersfield choose to live there in their first year, people opt for it over somewhere closer as you're with people who are in the same boat as you, moving to a new place, probably living away from home for the first time ever, too. It's the safe option for living.

A shuttle bus runs to and from the uni every half an hour/hour (later on). Taxi firms then do student rates to and from it all night long.

It could work. But as it's Manor, it won't. As it won't even get built.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #14
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Plus - I suppose the Hessle Road / Boulevard disctrict was built and developed due to it's proximity to the dock so it makes sense that their interdependance is exploited again (not accounting for the presence of the A63 in the decades since) However, as Daz says in not so many words the day Manor get these plans off the ground is the day uncountable herds of apes fly out of my derriere.
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They're a joke, end of. Not sure how they're actually making a living from their company?
The only need one application to be successful and a construction developer to pick up on it and they should make a literal mint - I would assume they made a mint from the BBC buildings - imagine the rent on that...
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