Halal Food Outlets & Products

[Fabian]

An employee of the KFC at Punchbowl in Sydney lost his cool on Boxing Day after a customer demanded that his burger be provided with bacon, which is forbidden by Muslims as it is a product made from pigs.



The employee was stood down over the incident. Provoked or not this was unacceptable.

It has bought up the issue of fast food outlets such as KFC and McDonalds having outlets that only serve halal meat but the wider debate of those of Islamic faith accepting Australian values and customs but also the "Islamicification of Australia".

Jews eat kosher, but don't complain.
Hindu's dont complain about us eating cows.

Even more interesting, advertising. If a burger is advertised with bacon, aren't you expected to be provided with it otherwise it would be false advertising under Fair Trading laws and the Trade Practices Act

[Tyson]

FYI: Bacon is from pigs, not cows.

[Dimethyltryptamine]

fully sik bro

[KiwiGuy]

This is the very exact reason why I say multiculturalism causes problems.

[BearCave]

Originally Posted by KiwiGuy

This is the very exact reason why I say multiculturalism causes problems.

I've never seen Jews nor Hindus complain. Nor Indonesian muslims. So the problem is not the multiculturalism, it's the leb.

[invincible]

^ +1. This is the action of just one person, which was clearly inappropriate, but Fabian's commentary is just generalisation and plain offensive. It's akin to the garbage in the tabloids and talkback radio.

As for halal-only restaurants - maybe it's just good business sense? Nothing wrong with menus having variations to better cater for the local market. What issue could there possibly be from there?

[OptomistOne]

I don't know that much about how halal meat is actually prepared. But from what I have seen so far it seems that the animal is killed by having its throat cut while still conscious and bleeds to death while some nutter says a few prayers over it. If that is correct then I would be the first in the line to ban all halal meat and exports of live animals to countries which produce it in this way.

But as I say, if I am wrong about its preparation I would be very very pleased to be corrected....

[KiwiGuy]

It isn't good business sense, invinceable. It's plain animal cruelty. Halal meat is exactly as OptimistOne says. It's may be acceptable in the ME, or in any other Muslim country. But not in Australia or NZ. And besides, if he objects to handling anything from pigs, why did he take a job in a fast food restaurant? That is just asking for trouble.

Any idea why you don't see Jews or Hindu's complaining? Because they aren't as vocal as Muslims are. Fabian, for once, is actually right.

[swifty78]

As long as somewhere is clearly labelled as halal only and thats what the biggest customer base is then I dont see a problem.

[crawf]

What a dickhead.

[Shumway]

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

I don't know that much about how halal meat is actually prepared. But from what I have seen so far it seems that the animal is killed by having its throat cut while still conscious and bleeds to death while some nutter says a few prayers over it. If that is correct then I would be the first in the line to ban all halal meat and exports of live animals to countries which produce it in this way.

But as I say, if I am wrong about its preparation I would be very very pleased to be corrected....

Well it would be a logical conclusion to draw that most animals are conscious before they are killed... 99% of the meat that sits on your table at dinner time probably was, and that cow that provided your burger almost certainly died in miserable and painful circumstances. Western countries are hardly known for giving the animals we eat dignified and painless deaths.

"Islamic dietary laws and Jewish dietary laws mandate that domestic animals raised for meat be slaughtered under strict religious guidelines. Both the Jewish (shechita) and Islamic (zabihah or dhabihah) methods of slaughter involve making a single, swift incision to the throat of the animal – deep enough to sever the jugular vein, carotid arteries, trachea and esophagus, but not so deep as to cut the spinal cord.

Although the image of this may be disturbing, ritual slaughter when performed correctly is painless to the animal. This is because the immediate severance of both the blood and oxygen supply to the brain causes the animal to quickly lose consciousness and all sensation. Anemia of the brain occurs within seconds." Source.

[AtD]

Originally Posted by invincible

^ +1. This is the action of just one person, which was clearly inappropriate, but Fabian's commentary is just generalisation and plain offensive. It's akin to the garbage in the tabloids and talkback radio.

+2

[OptomistOne]

Originally Posted by Shumway

Well it would be a logical conclusion to draw that most animals are conscious before they are killed... 99% of the meat that sits on your table at dinner time probably was, and that cow that provided your burger almost certainly died in miserable and painful circumstances. Western countries are hardly known for giving the animals we eat dignified and painless deaths.

"Islamic dietary laws and Jewish dietary laws mandate that domestic animals raised for meat be slaughtered under strict religious guidelines. Both the Jewish (shechita) and Islamic (zabihah or dhabihah) methods of slaughter involve making a single, swift incision to the throat of the animal – deep enough to sever the jugular vein, carotid arteries, trachea and esophagus, but not so deep as to cut the spinal cord.

Although the image of this may be disturbing, ritual slaughter when performed correctly is painless to the animal. This is because the immediate severance of both the blood and oxygen supply to the brain causes the animal to quickly lose consciousness and all sensation. Anemia of the brain occurs within seconds." Source.

Oh give me a break. Animals which are killed in modern Western abbatoirs are first stunned using a specialised piece of kit which renders them unconscious and only then does the actual death occur. They are not conscious when they are actually killed. And in fact research is underway on developing additional techniques which can even be applied to other species such as fish and crustaceans which renders those creatures unconscious as well.

Thanks also for confirming the halal method is what I understood it to be - both medieval and cruel practised just for the benefit of religious nutters. As for the painlessness of the practice (if practised correctly I note you quoted -and how precisely do you guarantee that by the way in some shit hole backyard abbatoir in the Middle East?). I am not saying that western methods are perfect but at least research is underway to try and improve things - which is not something you can ever ever say about halal meat production - that must stay the way it is because it is solely destined for the tables of the delusional classes. I would ban it in a heart beat.

From the RSPCA website section dealing with ritual slaughter (halal meat)...

Sheep have been shown being herded into a slaughtering facility, and then dragged one by one to the slaughtering area. Here their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death over a drain. In some importing countries, cattle face an even more horrific death. In the slaughtering hall, they have their tendons slashed and sometimes their eyes gouged in order to bring them down and, finally, they have their throats cut and are left to bleed to death. All this happens in front of other cattle awaiting a similar fate. Cattle and sheep destined for ‘home slaughter’ are no better off and may face even crueler slaughtering methods.

[Fabian]

The whole point of my post was to highlight the inappropriate actions of the person serving a customer and the possible issues that have been raised by it. I made mention that the act was "unacceptable" whether or not he was provoked by the customer.

[AtD]

I do wonder what happened before the camera was turned on. Still funny tho.

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by Fabian

The whole point of my post was to highlight the inappropriate actions of the person serving a customer and the possible issues that have been raised by it. I made mention that the act was "unacceptable" whether or not he was provoked by the customer.

So if the customer went in and said "this is oz mate! you and your arabic gyppo mates should go back to where ya fucken come from for not selling bacon! infact, you should be forced to eat bacon you sand monkey cunt!"

Would the employees behaviour still have been considered "unacceptable" to you?

[hornetfig]

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

Thanks also for confirming the halal method is what I understood it to be - both medieval and cruel practised just for the benefit of religious nutters. As for the painlessness of the practice (if practised correctly I note you quoted -and how precisely do you guarantee that by the way in some shit hole backyard abbatoir in the Middle East?).

lol. As Shuz quotes, the method of slaughter causes an immediate loss of blood pressure such that the animal will immediately black out. You should be more concerned about why Kosher-keeping Jews or Halal-keeping Muslims want to eat such dried out-tasting meat (it invariably is).

Originally Posted by OptomistOne

From the RSPCA website section dealing with ritual slaughter (halal meat)...

Sheep have been shown being herded into a slaughtering facility, and then dragged one by one to the slaughtering area. Here their throats are cut and they are left to bleed to death over a drain...

Of all the problems in middle east countries, you want to start with their halal slaughter conditions?

[Fabian]

Originally Posted by Cruise

So if the customer went in and said "this is oz mate! you and your arabic gyppo mates should go back to where ya fucken come from for not selling bacon! infact, you should be forced to eat bacon you sand monkey cunt!"

Would the employees behaviour still have been considered "unacceptable" to you?

The customer would definately be in the wrong too. Some think the customer went there delibrately to antagonise the employees. It is believed that the guy filming had been verbally abusing the guy serving him. It would be like those campaigns in Europe where people walk into Muslim shops with pig heads etc to get a reaction.

The problem is the way the employee reacted by swearing and even threatening the customer. Fair enough that they have been offended and he had the right to react with anger, but the approach taken by swearing and threatening the customer was not right and not very professional.

Employees in customer service roles are trained in how to deal with potential troublemakers that enter their premises. It was a matter of him merely to stay calm and for the managers to take control of the situation.

[LanceDriver]

The Koran teaches believers to hate and disrespect non-believers and to inflict violence upon them.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Qu...3-violence.htm
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html

We should not be accepting the Islamification of our secular nation just so we can be "do-gooders". This will come back to haunt us, without a doubt. Any religious penetration of our day to day secular lives should be destroyed regardless of the religion. Do not be afraid to "stand up" against all religious influence in our society!

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by Fabian

The customer would definately be in the wrong too. Some think the customer went there delibrately to antagonise the employees. It is believed that the guy filming had been verbally abusing the guy serving him. It would be like those campaigns in Europe where people walk into Muslim shops with pig heads etc to get a reaction.

The problem is the way the employee reacted by swearing and even threatening the customer. Fair enough that they have been offended and he had the right to react with anger, but the approach taken by swearing and threatening the customer was not right and not very professional.

Employees in customer service roles are trained in how to deal with potential troublemakers that enter their premises. It was a matter of him merely to stay calm and for the managers to take control of the situation.

So the customer is always right then. gotcha.

i'm going to go annoy some KFC and Macca's employee then.
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