Language usage in Macau: Portugese and Cantonese - Page 3

costa · January 30th, 2011, 04:53 PM

If Macau want to be just another chinese city, with their trade simply based in gambling they should encourage the learn of English.

If Macau want to be the China first channel to a world of opportunities with almost 250 million people, 8 different countries in Europe, Africa and America, including rising superpowers on their continents (Angola) and world (Brazil) they should continue and encourage Portuguese (the fourth most learned language in the world actually).

mrfusion · January 31st, 2011, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by costa

If Macau want to be just another chinese city, with their trade simply based in gambling they should encourage the learn of English.

If Macau want to be the China first channel to a world of opportunities with almost 250 million people, 8 different countries in Europe, Africa and America, including rising superpowers on their continents (Angola) and world (Brazil) they should continue and encourage Portuguese (the fourth most learned language in the world actually).

fourth, is this what they teach you in Portuguese school?

mandarin and english is 1st and 2nd place, then
we have spanish, french, arabic, indian, possibly russian, french and german that have more speaker then Portuguese.

I sort of agree with what you say,ability to speaks Portuguese should give you a little advantage over other parts of the world, but that advantage is only little, but view it from the other side of the coin, from Portugal, isn't ability to speaks Chinese/English more important, you create yourself a opportunities to well over 1billions people.

Muchenyi · January 31st, 2011, 03:10 AM

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fourth, is this what they teach you in Portuguese school?

Hey dude, there is something wrong with you. If you have something against the Portuguese, please let us know. Stop trolling. That's it!

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mandarin and english is 1st and 2nd place, then
we have spanish, french, arabic, indian, possibly russian, french and german that have more speaker then Portuguese.

Wrong, wrong wrong, ignorance at top level.

1st Chinese Mandarin (if you believe all of them can speak mandarin),
2nd Hindi (not Indian),
3rd Spanish
4th English (ups...)
5th Arabic
6th Portuguese
...

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I sort of agree with what you say,ability to speaks Portuguese should give you a little advantage over other parts of the world, but that advantage is only little, but view it from the other side of the coin, from Portugal, isn't ability to speaks Chinese/English more important, you create yourself a opportunities to well over 1billions people.

Dude, think twice! If "everybody" can speak Chinese/English, and there are just few speaking Chinese/Portuguese, those will benefit from their skills to profit.

AsianDragons · January 31st, 2011, 04:09 AM

wtf source please, portuguese is not 6th, according to wiki, the top are english, mandarin, hindi, spanish, french, arabic, no portuguese

heres a source but its not too good

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ative_speakers

mrfusion · January 31st, 2011, 05:43 AM

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Hey dude, there is something wrong with you. If you have something against the Portuguese, please let us know. Stop trolling. That's it!

Sir, I got nothing against Portuguese, just against people that place the importance of Portuguese to such a high level.

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Wrong, wrong wrong, ignorance at top level.

1st Chinese Mandarin (if you believe all of them can speak mandarin),

even at 40% discount, it beats 2nd by miles.

Muchenyi · January 31st, 2011, 06:35 AM

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wtf source please, portuguese is not 6th, according to wiki, the top are english, mandarin, hindi, spanish, french, arabic, no portuguese

Check your sources and let me know where French stays... You are somewhere lost in UN...

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Sir, I got nothing against Portuguese, just against people that place the importance of Portuguese to such a high level.

Sir, you can't bear with the reality that the Portuguese language can play a very important role in Portuguese speaking countries. Compreendido?

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even at 40% discount, it beats 2nd my miles.

Are you sure 60% of Chinese people can speak Mandarin? Well, we are diving to another subject.

mrfusion · January 31st, 2011, 09:44 AM

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Sir, you can't bear with the reality that the Portuguese language can play a very important role in Portuguese speaking countries. Compreendido?

I understand what you mean, my point is...

If, (just if) China/Macau decide to remove Portuguese as its official language (tomorrow, or prehaps slowly over next 10, 15 years). How will it change
the relations between China/Portugual Speaking countries change? And if there is any changes, who will lose more? China or Portugual Speaking countries.

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Are you sure 60% of Chinese people can speak Mandarin? Well, we are diving to another subject.

What is your estimate?

Muchenyi · January 31st, 2011, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mrfusion

If, (just if) China/Macau decide to remove Portuguese as its official language (tomorrow, or prehaps slowly over next 10, 15 years). How will it change
the relations between China/Portugual Speaking countries change? And if there is any changes, who will lose more? China or Portugual Speaking countries.

This is not a win or lose relationship. This is a win-win situation!

Anyway China wont decide to remove the Portuguese as official language because China is proud to respect their agreements.

AsianDragons · January 31st, 2011, 10:14 AM

[QUOTE=Muchenyi;71704963]Check your sources and let me know where French stays... You are somewhere lost in UN...

did i not say this source is no good, i studied in year10 in AUSTRALIA that the top 3 european languages are english, spanish and french,

mrfusion · January 31st, 2011, 12:29 PM

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This is not a win or lose relationship. This is a win-win situation!

Anyway China wont decide to remove the Portuguese as official language because China is proud to respect their agreements.

The win-win situation happens because of Macau's historical relationship with Portugals. The language itself may play a part, but is not necessary important to achieve this win-win situation.

Muchenyi · January 31st, 2011, 02:22 PM

[QUOTE=AsianDragons;71710155]

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did i not say this source is no good, i studied in year10 in AUSTRALIA that the top 3 european languages are english, spanish and french,

I highly "advise" you to go back to school then!

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The win-win situation happens because of Macau's historical relationship with Portugals. The language itself may play a part, but is not necessary important to achieve this win-win situation.

You can't get the full picture, can you?

BTW what is Portugals?

mrfusion · January 31st, 2011, 05:22 PM

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Check your sources and let me know where French stays... You are somewhere lost in UN...

In terms of most influential, according to the following page, French is ahead of Portuguese, (check the very last ranking, in terms of influential)

http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/languages.htm

It may be a little outdated, in terms of number of speakers, the ranking should not change that much, but in terms of most influential language, with the growth of China, India, and Portuguese speaking coutntries, the ranking may be very different now.

OK, Muchenyi, you are not going to read my link, Why don't you show us your source?

mrfusion · January 31st, 2011, 05:24 PM

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You can't get the full picture, can you?

Let just say I got your point, but I don't agree with everything you said.

Yuri S Andrade · January 31st, 2011, 05:32 PM

Ow, my God! Portuguese is the 6th most learned language in the world in terms of native-speakers. Virtually nobody learns Portuguese as a foreign-language. It's so far behind German, French and Spanish as we cannot even compare. Italian, for example, is much more taught as foreign-language than Portuguese.

How many people in Macao can speak Portuguese? 5%? Portuguese language is completely irrelevant to Macao.

Muchenyi · February 1st, 2011, 07:45 AM

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It may be a little outdated, in terms of number of speakers, the ranking should not change that much, but in terms of most influential language, with the growth of China, India, and Portuguese speaking coutntries, the ranking may be very different now.

I am talking about numbers and you are talking about influence... for God sake... make a point!

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Ow, my God! Portuguese is the 6th most learned language in the world in terms of native-speakers. Virtually nobody learns Portuguese as a foreign-language. It's so far behind German, French and Spanish as we cannot even compare. Italian, for example, is much more taught as foreign-language than Portuguese.

Amigo Andrade, what do you want to prove with your "wise" comment?

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How many people in Macao can speak Portuguese? 5%? Portuguese language is completely irrelevant to Macao.

It's not how many, but how important it is! Read the whole topic before you start another shower of non-sense comments.

Reading this topic and few comments, I'd say everybody in Mainland' Central Government is wrong, and just a few guys here in the forum really understand the reality of Macau...

AsianDragons · February 1st, 2011, 08:39 AM

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I highly "advise" you to go back to school then!

lol:

I still go to school its called the University of Technology, Sydney

mrfusion · February 1st, 2011, 12:36 PM

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I am talking about numbers and you are talking about influence... for God sake... make a point!

It's not how many, but how important it is! Read the whole topic before you start another shower of non-sense comments.

Make up your mind, are you saying how many, or are you not.

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It's not how many, but how important it is! Read the whole topic before you start another shower of non-sense comments.

You quote me on something i did not write.

Muchenyi · February 1st, 2011, 03:07 PM

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Make up your mind, are you saying how many, or are you not.

In the world ... is how many!
In Macau ... is how important!

Did you get the picture now?

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You quote me on something i did not write.

Mea culpa! My mistake!

Yuri S Andrade · February 3rd, 2011, 02:16 PM

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Amigo Andrade, what do you want to prove with your "wise" comment?

Well, I thought it was obvious, so let me spell: the number of native-learners it's not a good way to measure the importance of a language. Virtually nobody learns Portuguese as a foreign language, so there is no economic need at all for Macanese to learn it. And about Brazil, people are clearly overstating the importance of the country. It represents only a tiny portion of world's GDP and even a smaller of global trade.

Muchenyi · February 4th, 2011, 09:20 AM

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Virtually nobody learns Portuguese as a foreign language, so there is no economic need at all for Macanese to learn it.

So you are the wiseman and the guys in Beijing are a bunch of idiots, right?

January 31st, 2011, 04:09 AM	#44
AsianDragons Oz-Asian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sydney Posts: 5,577 Likes (Received): 108	wtf source please, portuguese is not 6th, according to wiki, the top are english, mandarin, hindi, spanish, french, arabic, no portuguese heres a source but its not too good http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ative_speakers __________________ Visit the Cambodia Forum Visit the Laos Forum Visit the Myanmar Forum

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January 30th, 2011, 04:53 PM	#41
costa Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: PT Posts: 4,350 Likes (Received): 34	If Macau want to be just another chinese city, with their trade simply based in gambling they should encourage the learn of English. If Macau want to be the China first channel to a world of opportunities with almost 250 million people, 8 different countries in Europe, Africa and America, including rising superpowers on their continents (Angola) and world (Brazil) they should continue and encourage Portuguese (the fourth most learned language in the world actually).