Public Transportation & Infrastructure

[Ingenioren]

I don't get why we are so against covering up metro stations here in this cold country. I prefer being sheltered during the winter than having this contact with nature environment during summer...

[IceCheese]

I guess 60% covered is better than 0...

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

Ensjø metro station will be rebuilt in the period 2011-12 as part of the bigger "Tyngdepunktet Ensjø"-project. COWI is working on the project, along with Flux arkitekter. Tyngdepunktet isn't done with regulations for quite some time, but the old metro station will probably be teared down pretty soon. The station will get partly overbuilt (miljølokk), and partly have roofs. Also the plan will improve access to the station.

Renders are online, and give you a certain feel of the new station.

From above
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...eese/Ensj1.png


Entrance from Ensjøveien to the east
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...se/Ensj3-1.png


Map of regulations.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o...se/Ensj2-1.png

Article about the project in yesterdays Aften Aften: http://www.ensjobyen.no/assets/files...n2mars2011.pdf

Notice the desperate arguementation where they defend why the cheaped out of covering up the station completely.

[mjoks007]

"Slik kan folk handle,
gå på kafé og følge med på trafikken"

[manrush]

I don't know if it counts as Olso public transport, but here are links to two photos of Oslo's new suburban trains (at lest that's what the owner of the account considers them) being tested in Switzerland.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wesleyv...en/5492646082/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wesleyv...en/5492674448/

[IceCheese]

Thanks! We've only seen pictures of the regional spec'd trains so far. Can't see any differences, though...

Btw, we have an own thread for railroads in Norway, but it is very much in the subject for this thread as well!

[marshol]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

Article about the project in yesterdays Aften Aften: http://www.ensjobyen.no/assets/files...n2mars2011.pdf

The buildings surrounding the station looks massive. It might be pretty urban here. Though the metro should of course be fully covered. The trains won't create life, but a barrier.

[Ingenioren]

Sure it's nice to look at the trains, but it doesn't change the fact that the station will be minus 20 degrees during winter, when it could be plus 7 instead.

The buildings are just randomly placed by the architect (aubviously big fan of density) and has very little to do with the actual plans for TP.

[IceCheese]

Now they're moving all trams to Rådhusgata. Yeez!

For å løse kabalen med å etablere sykkelveier i sentrum, foreslår byrådet blant annet å utrede muligheten for å flytte trikken til Rådhusgata. Kollektivtrafikken vil i forslaget få helt egne traseer, trikk i Rådhusgaten og buss i egne felt i Tollbugata og Prinsen gate.

[Galro]

Questions:

A: How are they going to solve it around Christiania Torv?

B: Will this be instead of the planed tram line around Akershus Fortress?

[IceCheese]

Originally Posted by Galro

Questions:

A: How are they going to solve it around Christiania Torv?

B: Will this be instead of the planed tram line around Akershus Fortress?

Well, I haven't read anything about it, but I hope this isn't one of the serious alternatives. Would've destroyed much work done to make trams crossing Kvadraturen more efficient, and destroy a lot of the traffic, that has to go 2 blocks extra.

The Fjordtram really is a different project, but it puts it in a different light. No matter what the tram capacity through Kvadraturen may be blown, though, so we need an alternative.

[Ingenioren]

Ridiculous.... Trams need to run trough Prinsensgate since they are horrible at turning in narrow kvadraturen streets. If a street is suited for bikeroute E18 it would be Rådhusgata, but not the way it is today with pedestrians standing in the lane waiting for green man, it could instead be in the centre of the road. (Why are they never located there?) That way bikes can pass trough without having to bypass an illegally parked car or pedestrians who don't realize (or care) that it's a bikelane.

[IceCheese]

Renders of the currently U/C Holmlia railroad station hasn't been posted in here yet. The bridge is done construction, but a lot of work remains in the platform, which is to be raised to 760 mm + the new roof construction.

[marshol]

Follow Holmenkollbanen from Majorstua to Frognerseteren. Recorded last saturday, before the women 30k in the ski w.c. Can choose cameras and positions on the map.

http://www.nrk.no/holmenkollbanen/

[manrush]

Originally Posted by IceCheese

Renders of the currently U/C Holmlia railroad station hasn't been posted in here yet. The bridge is done construction, but a lot of work remains in the platform, which is to be raised to 760 mm + the new roof construction.

Are they converting Holmlia to light rail, or something?

Because the trains in the renders look like the Citadis trams from Paris.

Possibly related to the topic: it looks as if T-banen is somewhat akin to an S-bahn/RER, rather than a pure U-bahn/subway as it branches out into the suburbs. Basically, similar to Washington DC's Metrorail without as far of a reach.

[Mulefisk]

Perhaps they want to let trams run all the way to Holmlia when they extend the tram line from Ljabru to Hauketo? Just crazy speculation on my part, but I know there were some plans for doing this with the Fjordtram in Skøyen.

[IceCheese]

I think this upgrade is unrelated!

Holmlia will be raised to European standard platform height, plus get a new roof, stairs, lift + a general upgrade + better integration with the bus terminal.

[Ingenioren]

Clearly the renders are bullshit, there will not be a low plattform aubviously.

[Hurban]

Well ladies and gentlemen, Having again looked at the super ambitious Copenhagen City Ring Metro project, i cannot help to think that our own booming capital MUST be equally ambitious in some sorts. And as we read here, there is both the need and the political will to open a new city tunnel. I am however very little convinced about the alternatives. If I may suggest what I think is a best alternative, based on different ideas (many suggested here).

Most importantly to create a completely separate independent tunnel through the city center that will still serve some of the same vital downtown connection points as the current one - at the same time connects easily with the old system. Let's face it the Oslo metro will foremost be a suburb line and therefor inner city stations will remain relatively few.

Here is 'my' suggestion:
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In this suggestion we see a new east west connection based on grorudbanen connected with a new fornebu bane. We know Løren station is under planning, but why not make Sinsen station a connection station (even using the same platforms) for a new line that serves Sagene - Grunerløkka - Sentrum - before heading west..
(I cannot help but to draw in a new Bislett staion and tunnel on the old line...)

This is merely the start fase of what would be a reorganization of several lines and plenty of room for further incorporating expansions.

Here is how i this can develop in the future, with some suggested line changes..
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We see Kolsås banen is connected with the new line (with a transfer at Bekkestua) possibly a faster commute to downtown. A hypothetical Sandvika line also connected with the new tunnel. There is also a new eastern Alna line connecting this expansion with Furuseth.

These suggestions are based on already suggested ideas, both officially and ideas suggested here, and my own ideas.

In any case not nearly as ambitious as the Copenhagen venture (i think), however sorely needed if we are to support the growing population of this city!



Go metro!

[Ingenioren]

'the Breivoll-line is being planned as we speak!