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Old April 14th, 2011, 11:21 AM   #1241
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Census 2011

Census 2011 is supposed to be much more accurate as compared to past excercises. Hence we need to accept the results as reasonably accurate.As far as figures of Population growth in core city area is concerned, it is not only Hyderabad, but almost all metros have shown negligible increase or decrease, which is perfectly in order. The growth in outer periphery is increasing & is a healthy sign. What is important for city planner to know is that outer areas need to be provided with better civic infrastructure in order to decongest the core cities. There are many areas/localities in core city which are in terminal state of decline & needs to be decongested & completely refurbished. It is not the size of the city as indicated by population of administratively defined geographical area be it called HMC or GHMC or HMDA, but qualitey of life provided by city which needs to be improved. The open spaces for citizen is being slowly eroded & needs to be restored. The decline in population density in core city should make life more livable.
Among the top ten cities, Population of Ahmedabad municipal corporation limits has increased from 45 Lacs to 57 Lacs. The population of Surat (SMC limits) has increased from 28 Lacs to 45 Lacs which by far shows the fastest growth among major cities.

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Old April 15th, 2011, 07:46 AM   #1242
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Odeon 70 mm, Odeon Deluxe and Mini Odeon. These three theatres at RTC crossroads have been an entertainment hub and popular release centres for Telugu blockbusters for decades.

But these cinema halls will soon give way to a multiplex along with a mall to provide various facilities, including entertainment, as a one-stop destination. In tune with the changing times, the managements of the three theatres have agreed to construct a multiplex-cum-mall.

“We have decided to demolish these theatres as the concept of multiplex is gaining momentum in major cities,” said Odeon 70 mm Managing Director M. Narsaiah. Initially, it was decided to replace Odeon 70 mm with a multiplex but after a series of discussions, the managements of Odeon Deluxe and Mini Odeon also agreed to the proposal. “We will commence construction work within six months,” he said.

Seats, sound system, projector, air-conditioners and other equipments were removed from the Odeon 70 mm in November last, while Odeon Deluxe and Mini Odeon are still screening Telugu films – Pawan Kalyan's ‘Teen Maar' and Allari Naresh's ‘Aha Naa Pellanta' respectively.

Film industry experts said declining collections in single screen theatres were forcing managements to opt for multiplexes. “It's a multi-utility facility. One can not only make purchases but also watch a movie on the same premises with a different atmosphere,” they said.

Better ambience

They argued that many movie buffs preferred to watch a film in multiplex owing to better ambience. Single screen theatres such as Sangeet 70 mm and Ajanta 70 mm both in Secunderabad and Ramachandra 70 mm in Malkajgiri were demolished for constructing multiplexes, they said.

The first film screened at Odeon 70 mm was ‘Sruti Layalu' starring Rajasekhar and Sumalatha in 1987 and the last film was ‘Shopping Mall' in November last.

Hit films

Actor-turned-politician Chiranjeevi's super-hit films - ‘Khaidi No.786,' ‘Jagadeka Veerudu Athiloka Sundari', ‘Shankar Dada MBBS' were screened for more than 100 days along with Ram's ‘Devadas' and Manchu Vishnu's ‘Dhee'.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 07:58 AM   #1243
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Census 2011 is supposed to be much more accurate as compared to past excercises. Hence we need to accept the results as reasonably accurate.As far as figures of Population growth in core city area is concerned, it is not only Hyderabad, but almost all metros have shown negligible increase or decrease, which is perfectly in order. The growth in outer periphery is increasing & is a healthy sign. What is important for city planner to know is that outer areas need to be provided with better civic infrastructure in order to decongest the core cities. There are many areas/localities in core city which are in terminal state of decline & needs to be decongested & completely refurbished. It is not the size of the city as indicated by population of administratively defined geographical area be it called HMC or GHMC or HMDA, but qualitey of life provided by city which needs to be improved. The open spaces for citizen is being slowly eroded & needs to be restored. The decline in population density in core city should make life more livable.
Among the top ten cities, Population of Ahmedabad municipal corporation limits has increased from 45 Lacs to 57 Lacs. The population of Surat (SMC limits) has increased from 28 Lacs to 45 Lacs which by far shows the fastest growth among major cities.
Harendrian, Thanks for very positive post.
When I saw Census site first time on the day, they came up with provisional data, it is amazing. They did it in very professional way.

Bottom line is, we are 1.2 billion populated country. I am sure, it is the toughest job on the earth. Ofcourse, census director also agreed that, there may be few discrepancies, but those are not going change the trend much.

What i felt by looking at the census data, our country is self regulating it self as many external parameters are pushing for the change. External parameters could be literacy, living standards and inflation etc.

By looking at last 100 years data, I bet, we won't go beyond 1.35 billion by 2021. After that, we will be showing negative growth from 2031 onwards like any other developed country.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 09:10 AM   #1244
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Why only census officials in A.P almost all Govt employees in certain parts of A.P including the capital city of Hyderabad are on paid holiday for the past one year.Why do u doubt if the population arrived at is not as per your expectation particularly for GHMC.I am born and living in Hyderabad for the last 62 years and what i observe is amazing growth of the city and its surroundings in the last decade despite Hyderabad located in a semiarid region.This is only attributed to phenomenal growth of information technology and allied industry only. casting aspersions on govt servants without knowing the facts is not in good taste youngman.[/QUOT
An area of serious concern as noted from census data is that literacy levels of AP are extremely poor so much so that even BIMARU states indicate healthy improvement in comparisn and have forged ahead on this score. In a decade known for renaissance of Hyderabad as a city & growth of information technology, with AP students capturing highest no of seats in IIT & AP sending largest no of IT professionals to USA, is it not a glaring contrast to see this dismal literacy figures? While too much focus & resources have gone in to higher education leading to plethora of Engg & Medical colleges, half of which provide substandard edn, large swathe of Rural area seems to face continuous neglect leading to this absymal anomaly. While Mr Naidu paid heavy price for being sigle minded focussed on city, his successors have only amassed wealth in the name of rural poor creating a bankrupt state.
Literacy is key to sustainable & holistic improvement in quality of life for the people. I hope, the census analysis should help create awareness for pursuing a balanced approach towards longterm developement of state.
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Old April 15th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #1245
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Dear Mr Ranga,

I have to respectfully disagree with your observations. If you look at your statement closely, there are several contradictions. 1. The GHMC population figures have not been published. That was my major complaint. So, to say that I am disappointed with GHMC population figure is incorrect (that is your assumption). I said the core hyderabad district population seems to be incorrect i.e 41 lakhs with only a 5% growth over 10 years. The census officials have not published GHMC population to date.
Please note most other major cities have published their populations (city, urban ag).
Mumbai (22 mil - 11 mil city corp 11 mil urban), Calcutta (16.3 mil - 5 mil city corp and 11 mil urban), DElhi (16 mil city corp, urban unclear), Bangalore (city and urban merged into BBMP one corp 84.5 lakhs), Bangalore urban dist total 95 lakhs, Chennai (4.5 million city corp, urban unclear), Hyderabad district population 41 lakhs (there is the problem).
No figure has been given for GHMC (like BBMP). There is no such thing as core city and surrounding municipalities any more (it is all one city governed by one municipal corporation GHMC). That is my population question.

Also, your observation that Hyderabad is in a semi-arid region is true. What has that got to do with it. 60% of India is semi-arid and heavily populated. Hyderabad is endowed with many resources that many other cities do not have. Hyderabad was the 3rd biggest city early 19th century in India, 4th biggest early part of the 20th century, 5th biggest for over 50 years (1951-2001). Now, it is the 6th biggest as per speculation (we can only speculate as our AP census officials have kept us in the dark).

So, to say that IT and ITES is the only reason for Hyderabad's development is patently false. Delhi, Bangalore, Pune, Surat, Jaipur have developed at a faster rate since 2001 after the IT industry arrived on the scene. So, Hyderabad's performance is not that stellar if you look at it that way.

Hyderabad is a wonderful city. I have a simple question - what is the population of GHMC. There is no ambiguity here (not hyderabad distrct, not HMDA, not Ranga Reddy Dist).

By the way, I am not casting aspirations on any one. I myself come from a govt servant background. There is good and bad everywhere. But, I think there has been an undercount, and I do believe the officials have been slow and lax in publishing city figures. Is this a conspiracy, maybe not. I happen to think otherwise. Can we agree to disagree in a democracy.
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Old April 16th, 2011, 12:56 AM   #1246
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Mumbai city is 12 million now. Just saying so I guess that's 23 million total then.

I wonder when, if ever, Hyderabad's gonna be that big..
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Dear Mr Ranga,

I have to respectfully disagree with your observations. If you look at your statement closely, there are several contradictions. 1. The GHMC population figures have not been published. That was my major complaint. So, to say that I am disappointed with GHMC population figure is incorrect (that is your assumption). I said the core hyderabad district population seems to be incorrect i.e 41 lakhs with only a 5% growth over 10 years. The census officials have not published GHMC population to date.
Please note most other major cities have published their populations (city, urban ag).
Mumbai (22 mil - 11 mil city corp 11 mil urban), Calcutta (16.3 mil - 5 mil city corp and 11 mil urban), DElhi (16 mil city corp, urban unclear), Bangalore (city and urban merged into BBMP one corp 84.5 lakhs), Bangalore urban dist total 95 lakhs, Chennai (4.5 million city corp, urban unclear), Hyderabad district population 41 lakhs (there is the problem).
No figure has been given for GHMC (like BBMP). There is no such thing as core city and surrounding municipalities any more (it is all one city governed by one municipal corporation GHMC). That is my population question.

Also, your observation that Hyderabad is in a semi-arid region is true. What has that got to do with it. 60% of India is semi-arid and heavily populated. Hyderabad is endowed with many resources that many other cities do not have. Hyderabad was the 3rd biggest city early 19th century in India, 4th biggest early part of the 20th century, 5th biggest for over 50 years (1951-2001). Now, it is the 6th biggest as per speculation (we can only speculate as our AP census officials have kept us in the dark).

So, to say that IT and ITES is the only reason for Hyderabad's development is patently false. Delhi, Bangalore, Pune, Surat, Jaipur have developed at a faster rate since 2001 after the IT industry arrived on the scene. So, Hyderabad's performance is not that stellar if you look at it that way.

Hyderabad is a wonderful city. I have a simple question - what is the population of GHMC. There is no ambiguity here (not hyderabad distrct, not HMDA, not Ranga Reddy Dist).

By the way, I am not casting aspirations on any one. I myself come from a govt servant background. There is good and bad everywhere. But, I think there has been an undercount, and I do believe the officials have been slow and lax in publishing city figures. Is this a conspiracy, maybe not. I happen to think otherwise. Can we agree to disagree in a democracy.
Hyderabad dist covering an area of 214 sq km is part of GHMC and the population is around 40.34 lacs as per 2011 census. Growth rate of 4.16 %is in order.The absolute decadal growth is only1.85 lacs due to massive migration of people from the core city to new areas developing around the city.The following demographic information may give some idea about Hyderabad dist, RR dist,Medak dist and Nalgonda dist whose areas to some extent contribute to the areas under GHMC.
GHMC – Zones, Circles and Wards
List of Zones in Hyderabad
Hyderabad is divided into five Zones. They are:

1.South Zone
2.East Zone
3.West Zone
4.North Zone and
5.Central Zone
List of Circles and wards under each zone

Hyderabad is divided into 18 circles and 150 wards.



East Zone: 3 circles

•Circle 1 covers Kapra area.
•Circle 2 covers Uppal Kalan area.
•Circle 3 covers L.B Nagar & Gaddiannaram areas.
1 East Zone
Circle No. Name of the Zone / Circle Election Ward No. Name of the ward Population of Election Ward
I Kapra 1 Kapra 32108
2 Cherlapalli 34729
3 Mallapur 39842
4 Nacharam 39793
II Uppal Kalan 5 Uppal 40638
6 Habsiguda 36206
7 Ramanthapur 40373
III L.B. Nagar/Gaddiannaram 8 Kothapet 33684
9 Mansoorabad 30718
10 Hayathnagar 35467
11 Vansathalipuram 33814
12 Karmanghat 31143
13 Champapet 33516
15 Rama Krishna Puram 31358
16 Gaddiannaram 30422
17 P&T Colony 31248

South Zone: 3 Circles

•Circle 4 covers areas under Moosarambagh, Saidabad, Saroornagar, Barkas, Moghalpura, etc.
•Circle 5 covers areas under Falaknuma, Puranapul, Begum Bazaar, Shali Banda etc.
•Circle 6 covers Rajendra area.
2 South Zone
Circle No. Name of the Zone / Circle Election Ward No. Name of the ward Population of Election Ward
IV Erstwhile Circle – I

(Areas under Moosarambagh, Saidabad, Saroornagar, Barkas, Moghalpura, Chaderghat etc.)
18 Moosarambagh 33809
19 Saidabad 39453
20 I.S.Sadan 32271
21 Santoshnagar 33627
22 Riyasat Nagar 40102
23 Kanchanbagh 35866
24 Barkas 34288
25 Chandrayan gutta 34191
26 Jangammet 39617
27 Uppuguda 38068
28 Lalithabagh 40198
29 Rain Bazar 37048
30 Kurmaguda 39227
31 Chavni 30347
32 Akberbagh 39667
33 Saleem Nagar 33678
34 Old Malakpet 39711
35 Azampura 33876
36 Dabeerpura 28415
37 Noorkhan Bazar 30420
38 Pathergatti 33662
39 Talabchanchalam 40518
40 Moghalpura 32998
41 Gowlipura 40934
42 Aliabad 39235
V Erstwhile Circle – II (Areas under Falaknuma, Zoo Park, Puranapul, Begum Bazaar, Shali Banda etc.) 43 Falaknuma 37292
44 Nawabsaheb Kunta 37354
45 Jahanuma 36278
46 Fathe Darwaza 38923
47 Shali Banda 37551
48 Hussain Alam 31942
49 Ghansi Bazar 38474
50 Begum Bazar 32361
51 Gosha Mahal 32204
52 Dhoolpet 31913
53 Puranapul 36062
54 Doodbowli 32281
55 Ramnaspura 30497
56 Kishanbagh 37571
VI Rajendra Nagar 57 Shivarampally 34699
58 Mylardevpally 34972
59 Rajendra Nagar 36516
60 Attapur 37053

Central Zone: 4 Circles

•Circle 7 covers areas under Golkonda, Military area, Hakimpet, Mehdipatnam, Langer house etc.
•Circle 8 covers areas under Esamia Bazaar, Agapura, Gun Foundry etc.
•Circle 9 covers areas under Amberpet, Kachiguda, Himayathnagar, Bholakpur, Nallakunta etc.
•Circle 10 covers areas under Jubilee hills, Banjara hills, Yousufguda, Sanathnagar, Khairatabad etc.
3 Central Zone
Circle No. Name of the Zone / Circle Election Ward No. Name of the ward Population of Election Ward
VII Erstwhile Circle – IV

(Areas under Golkonda military area, Hakimpet, Mehdipatnam, Mallepally, Langer house etc.)
61 Karwan 35111
62 Ziaguda 36701
63 Dattathreyanagar 39586
64 Manghalhat 37098
65 Asifnagar 38486
66 Muradnagar 34581
67 Mehdipatnam 34785
68 Gudimalkapur 39481
69 Lunger House 35791
70 Tolichowli 39467
71 Nanalnagar 36014
72 Ahmed Nagar 33342
73 Vijayanagar Colony 32092
74 Chintalbasti 31943
75 Mallepally 32559
76 Red Hills 31126
VIII Erstwhile Circle – VI

(Areas under Esamia Bazaar, Agapura, Gun Foundry etc.)
77 Jambagh 40350
78 Gunfoundry 38497
79 Sultan Bazar 39459
IX Erstwhile Circle – III

(Areas under Amberpet, Kachiguda, Himayathnagar, Bholakpur, Nallakunta etc.)
80 Himayathnagar 39773
81 Barkatpura 35610
82 Kachiguda 39411
83 Golnaka 35921
84 Amberpet 33069
85 Bagh Amberpet 35347
86 Vidyanagar 32032
87 Nallakunta 35717
88 Bagh Lingampally 39690
89 Adikmet 39128
90 Ramnagar 33226
91 Musheerabad 36698
92 Bholakpur 34672
93 Gandhinagar 36343
94 Kavadiguda 33082
95 Domalguda 32014
X Erstwhile Circle – V

(Areas under Jubilee hills, Banjara hills, Yousufguda, Sanathnagar, Khairatabad etc.)
96 Khairtabad 34740
97 Panjagutta 37548
98 Somajiguda 40170
99 Ameerpet 34126
100 Balkampet 36740
101 Sanathnagar 30230
102 Erragadda 40698
103 Vengalrao Nagar 36367
104 Srinagar Colony 38294
105 Banjara Hills 53197
106 Yousufguda 38007
107 Rahamath Nagar 39852
108 Borabanda 40145
109 Jubilee Hills 27094
110 Shaikpet 32127

West Zone: 4 Circles

•Circle 11 and 12 covers Serilingampally North and South areas.
•Circle 13 covers Ramachandra Puram and Patancheru areas.
•Circle 14 covers Kukatpally area.
4 West Zone
Circle No. Name of the Zone / Circle Election Ward No. Name of the ward Population of Election Ward
XI & XII Serilingampally

(North & South)
111 Gachibowli 39304
112 Serilingampally 37522
113 Hafeezpet 36977
114 Chanda Nagar 39561
XIII Ramachandra Puram 115 Rama Chandra Puram 47340
Patancheru 116 Patancheruvu 40273
XIV Kukatpally 117 KPHB Colony 32632
118 Moosapet 32817
119 Mothinagar 38290
120 Fathe Nagar 41519
121 Old Bowenpally 35969
122 Kukatpally 34346
123 Vivekananda Nagar Colony 37450
124 Hydernagar 39266

North Zone: 4 Circles

•Circle 15 covers Qutu-bullapur area.
•Circle 16 covers Alwal area.
•Circle 17 covers Malkajgiri area.
•Circle 18 covers Secunderabad division.
5 North Zone
Circle No. Name of the Zone / Circle Election Ward No. Name of the ward Population of Election Ward
XV Qutu-bullapur 125 Gajula Ramaram 35187
126 Jagadgiri gutta 32857
127 Chintal 31595
128 Shapur Nagar 34662
129 Suraram Colony 33041
130 Jeedimetla 32147
131 Qutubullapur 31619
XVI Alwal 132 Alwal 38474
133 Macha Bollaram 36275
134 Yapral 30987
XVII Malkajgiri 135 Defence Colony 40688
136 Moula Ali 39946
137 Safilguda 35891
138 Gautham Nagar 38695
139 Old Malkajgiri 38643
XVIII Secunderabad Division 140 Tarnaka 39326
141 Mettuguda 33550
142 Seethaphalmandi 36287
143 Boudha Nagar 38408
144 Chilkalguda 38657
145 Padmarao Nagar 37172
146 Bansilalpet 39252
147 Ramgopal pet 37495
148 Begumpet 38367
149 Marredpally 33624
150 Addagutta 37461
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Areas under GHMC and HMDA

Details of districts and mandals in GHMC and further enlargement creating Hyderabad metropolitan development authority covering a huge area of over 8000 sqkm with a population nearing one crore (10 million)

Greater Hyderabad Municipal CorporationThe Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation (GHMC) comprises the erstwhile Hyderabad Municipal Corporation, plus 10 municipalities & 8 panchayats in Ranga Reddy district and 2 municipalities in Medak district.

The municipalities in Ranga Reddy district are: L. B. Nagar, Gaddi annaram, Uppal Kalan, Malkajgiri, Kapra, Alwal, Qutubullapur, Kukatpally, Serilingampalle and Rajendranagar

The panchayats in Ranga Reddy district are:Shamshabad, Satamarai, Jallapalli, Mamdipalli, Mankhal, Almasguda, Sardanagar and Ravirala

The municipalities in Medak district are: Ramachandrapuram and Patancheru

[edit] Hyderabad Metropolitan Development AuthorityThe areas under Hyderabad Metropolitan Development Authority includes,

16 mandals in Hyderabad district (entire Hyderabad District)
24 mandals in Ranga Reddy district - Shamshabad, Rajendranagar, Sherilingampally, Balanagar, Quthubullapur, Malkajigiri, Alwal, Lothkunta, Keesara, Ghatkesar, Uppal, Saroornagar, Medchal, Shameerpet, Hayathnagar, Shankerpally, Chevella, Shahbad, Moinabad, Maheshwaram, Ibrahimpatnam, Manchal, Yacharam, Kandukur
10 mandals in Medak district - Patancheru, Ramachandrapuram, Sangareddy, Jinnaram, Hathnoora, Narsapur, Shivampet, Tupran, Wargal, Mulug
5 mandals in Nalgonda district - Bhongir, Bibinagar, Pochampally, Bommalaramaram, Choutuppal
3 mandals in Mehboobnagar district - Kothur, Farooqnagar, Kondurg
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Dear Mr Ranga

The subterfuge continues. You have given every figure under the sun relating to the topic, except the one I asked for. That is GHMC population. WHY?. I had clearly stated previously that I am not interested in HMDA population (estimated at 1 crore, agrees with your figure). You have given the population of 150 wards of the GHMC. Are these 2001 or 2011 figures. Please specify. When you have taken so much pain to give us ward populations, why have you not given GHMC population. Is there something to hie. Or the figures given by you are from 2001. I am not sure, until you clarify. If you have so much information, why are you not simply putting out the GHMC figure for 2011, that has been asked for. I think the reason is political. Your long winded answer adds credence to my statement that " dal mein kuch kala hai". I think the true figure will come out sometime in the future. WHAT ARE THE OFFICIALS TRYING TO HIDE AND WHY?
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Mr Ranga thanks for details.
Mr Tankbund please wait for few more weaks. I think the figures given by Ranga is for 2001.
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Dear Mr Chennaidesi

Thank you. I myself suspected that the figures given by Mr Ranga are from 2001. This is pure obfuscation, misleading and deliberate. One can confuse the issue by throwing large amount of data around. The fact is the "semi-arid" statement itself is a misleading and political statement. It has nothing to do with the census and the discussion on hand.

However, my suspicions have only been strengthened.
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Dear Mr Ranga

The subterfuge continues. You have given every figure under the sun relating to the topic, except the one I asked for. That is GHMC population. WHY?. I had clearly stated previously that I am not interested in HMDA population (estimated at 1 crore, agrees with your figure). You have given the population of 150 wards of the GHMC. Are these 2001 or 2011 figures. Please specify. When you have taken so much pain to give us ward populations, why have you not given GHMC population. Is there something to hie. Or the figures given by you are from 2001. I am not sure, until you clarify. If you have so much information, why are you not simply putting out the GHMC figure for 2011, that has been asked for. I think the reason is political. Your long winded answer adds credence to my statement that " dal mein kuch kala hai". I think the true figure will come out sometime in the future. WHAT ARE THE OFFICIALS TRYING TO HIDE AND WHY?
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Are you scared of SEEMANDHRA not losening their hold on HYDERABAD ?Your Obsession with the population of GHMC betrays this fear. " DAL BILKUL SAAF HAI PHIKARKI BAAT KUCH BI NAYEE HAI BARKURDAR"
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Dear Mr Ranga

Kindly explain what the population of GHMC in 2011 has to do with Seemandhra people not loosening their hold on Hyderabad. Also, is this not a parochial statement. And is this statement not political as I had earlier said. Your semi-arid comment immediately told me of your intentions. My obsession with GHMC population (as you say) is equally matched by your obsession not to provide a straight answer. Your clever, political double talk is quite apparent to me (may not be to others). My question remains in isolation - what is the GHMC population in 2011. I want a straight answer from you, if you know. No double talk.
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Mr. Ranga and tankbund: My question to both of you what are you arguing on?

Please realise that Census officials haven't released their full report yet. Wait for sometime. For example district level population info hasn't been released for all states yet. Onlt 16 states have that info..

And what political statement does Census give? Whatever parochial info ppl are waiting for isn't given in the Census so Mr. Ranga kindly elaborate on your statement cos i dint get it.

From Census Website: Did you know that the entire data processing used to take more than 5 years in the Censuses till 1991? The time taken was significantly reduced to around 3 years in Census 2001 and the effort is to reduce it further to around 1.5 years for Census 2011
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Why is the population of GHMC so important ? Can any one especially "tankbund" throw some light on it please ?

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Dear Whatever,

I should apologize to people like you. The conversation with Ranga will seem trivial and stupid to most people who do not have an understanding of the underlying politics. I will not get into that part as politics was not my initial thrust. It was purely a census one. I just could not believe the census figures for core hyderabad district. I may be wrong, as it is just a gut feeling (I have stated this before).
Look at it logically (as per my logic).
2001 Hyderabad population (district) - 39 lakhs approx. (NOT METRO POP)
Muslim population 40% - 15.6 lakhs approx

Please note that Muslim population growth rate in India exceeds that of the Hindus by 50%. India as a whole has grown at about 1.4% per annum approx (2001-2011). Muslim growth rate has never been below 2% per annum. Miracles happen. Let us say the growth arte of Muslims in HYD is 1% only per annum. In that case the population of Muslims alone in Hyderabad should have grown by about 12% at least, compounded. Hence, the increase in Muslim population alone is 15.6 X .12 = 1.87 lakhs. OK. The 2011census says the population of HYD district ahs increased by 1.8 lakhs total in 10 years. Based on this scenario, we can draw the following conclusions -
1. The Hindus have not procreated at all and have taken a sex holiday (another vacation sorry) or they have fled (possible)
2. If the above scanario is not plausible, maybe, 2001 census figures were off the mark, hence the 2011 figures look odd.

OK. Why am I asking this question. Pure curiosity. I love Geography and related statistics. As a Hyderabadi I feel, all citizens of the city have a right to know the population of the city they live in. Mumbaikars know it (22 mil), Bangaloreans know it (8.45 mil), Delhiwallas know it (16 mil), Calcuttans know it (16 mil). Why should Hyderabadis be left in the dark ? Is it a stupid question. Maybe to others. But, not to a proud Hyderabadi.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 05:55 AM   #1257
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Dear Whatever,

I did not want to turn this into a political discussion. It may be boring for those that may not know what is going on (nothing wrong with that). There is a powerful schism in AP. The state could be divided into 2 parts (Telangana hopes so, Andhra does not). Hyderabad is the bride, the bone of contention. The AP govt. is dominated by Andhras. The Telangana people are marginalized. The Telangana region (40% of AP) wants to extablish a status quo ante, a separate state of Telangana. As the state govt. is dominated by Andhras, all data emanating from the Govt. is suspect, as far as Telangana people are concerned. Some of this is true, and some of it is perceived. But, remember what Kissinger said "Perception is the truth".

The recent SriKrishna report adds fuel to the fire. Example - The report said the Muslims of the Telangana region do not support a separate Telangana state. This is a blatant lie coming from a former supreme court judge. Even the most partisan Andhrite would have to blush at this assertion. It is no secret that close to 100% of Telangana people want a Telangana state. Every strata of society including Muslims support a state of Telangana - Doctors, lawyers, Professors, students, govt. servants, housewives, laymen, coolies, ricshaw pullers, entire society. The same is probably true on the other side against separation (but not to that extent).

It is conceivable that the Govt. of AP could cook population results of Hyderabad (GHMC) to show that Hyderabad has a majority population (Andhras plus Muslims) that oppose the concept of Hyderabad being a part of Telangana. However, there is no objective opinion on this issue. Telangana people support their views very strongly and Andhras do the same on the other side. The schism is deep and cannot be wished away. It is like a bad marriage where a solution is extremely difficult no matter who is at fault, or maybe no body is at fault. Just the chemistry is missing.

So, based on this brief description of a complex problem the population of Hyderabad (GHMC) and its constituents becomes extremely important for the people concerned with the problem. This is not an exhaustive explanation, but a brief description of the problem. I hope this helps you understand the underlying current.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 02:06 PM   #1258
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I am a core Hyderabadi like you born in Hyderabad during the razakar movement and been part of it even before the formation of A.P.The only minus point is that my mother tongue is not telugu or urdu.You have clarified me about your lingering doubts in reply to my post no 1642.For you my posts are undercurrent of politics and yours are pure grievances.Fortunately telugu speaking parts of the Nizam state (Telangana) merged with Andhra to form A.P in the year 1956 otherwise we would have been part of Pakistan. Forget the past what future lies for the state is not clear.
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Old April 18th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #1259
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aaahhh ranga, we got you here ...

Govt Of India didn't take until 1956 to decide whether to annex Nizam into Union of India ... So no question of Hyd becoming part of Pakistan in 1956 ... that's a wrong statement from you after you being you !
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Old April 19th, 2011, 01:00 AM   #1260
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Tankbund,

No problem at all..unfortunately for you i am very well informed on this issue. It is just that I have not developed that much of an imagination which links something as innocent as GHMC census with some vast conspiracy where employees from andhra are acting in one secret front to undermine the census of GHMC.

I dont know about the theory regarding perception but I am certain that your perception is not my reality. Yours is more towards imagination - and a lot of it. Let me take up just a few points from your very imaginative post.

Andhras form about 4% of the population that the center is supposed to represent. But for every decision taken by the center and its agencies (like SKC) you seem determined to blame your telugu cousins. Has it ever occured to you the center may have some independent reasons to keep AP united ? like the linguistic basis of the Indian union ? like the fact that the majority of AP do not want the state to be divided ? How can you blame the findings of a commitee comprised wholly of north indians on your very imagined "andhra conspiracy" ?

Muslims support telangana 100%. How did you come to the conclusion ? your dream ? or your perception which you want me to accept as my reality ?

Iam from telangana and yes most telangana people will say yes to telangana like you will say yes to batanis while watching a movie or yes to free cash. They will say yes to telangana if it comes like a manna from heaven with no struggle. Like it almost did on dec 09 2009. But most telangana people have absolutely no desire to fight in any serious manner with their telugu cousins. They share their language, their castes, their gothrams etc and they are brothers and they know it.

I noticed that there are three sections who are passionate about telangana (trs is NOT one of them). One the maoists - because they are basically anti indian state and anything that weakens the state like dismantling the state of Andhra Pradesh is a victory to them. Two the hindutvaadis - they dont like the idea of independence of linguistic states they prefer to impose hindi on everyone.

And the three many of the telangana NRIs (you are one I suspect) and this is a bit of grey area to me. I understand that inspite of all the material riches life may be hard in western countries but thats no excuse to work for creating divisions in an economically very poor country.
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