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Old March 19th, 2006, 11:19 PM   #7541
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Malecon Drive now Bonifacio Drive Then and Now

Malecon Drive Postcard circa 1900


Malecon Drive 1940-41 from the Guthrie photo collection



Now Bonifacio Drive 2006 (photo courtesy of Sir Dudz)
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Old March 19th, 2006, 11:19 PM   #7542
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Malecon Drive now Bonifacio Drive Then and Now

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Malecon Drive 1940-41 from the Guthrie photo collection



Now Bonifacio Drive 2006 (photo courtesy of Sir Dudz)
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Old March 19th, 2006, 11:33 PM   #7543
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Old March 19th, 2006, 11:33 PM   #7544
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1930s Escolta


2006 Escolta
great comparative fotos @wonderboy!
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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:49 AM   #7547
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Where's Then and Now Photos III?
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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:58 AM   #7549
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Where's Then and Now Photos III?
Can someone give me a link?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=297314

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"RECUERDOS DE FILIPINAS". Su Autor: José González García (Oficial Médico Español del Regimiento de Infantería IBERIA nº2), Diario recopilado en dos cuadernos manuscritos, con las Descripción exhaustiva de sus vivencias y lugares donde desarrolló su trabajo, desde su salida de España (Barcelona, 1878, Diciembreen el vapor bergantín "Aurrerá").

Su viaje, con una pormenorizada descripción de su paso por el Canal de Suez, Port-Said, Mar Rojo, Moka (Arabia), Golfo de Aden, Isla de Socotorra, estrecho de Yaquadivas y Maldivas, Canal de Malaca, Pulo-Jarrei, Singapur, isla Victoria, Manila. Sus estancias y Destinos Militares en Manila, Vigan, Joló, Zamboanga, con Excelentes Descripciones Etnológicas, Geográficas, Militares, Folklóricas, Zoológicas, Urbanísticas, de Oficios, Ocio, Musicales, etc.

Regreso a España en el vapor "Reina Mercedes" el 1º de Marzo de 1885: Singapur, Aden, Suez, Port-Said... El Diario acaba el 3 de Abril a 1.185 Millas de Port-Said, camino de España.



PRECIOSO EJEMPLAR.

Además está ilustrado con multitud de Dibujos Originales (Acuarela y tinta china), en Blanco y Negro, y Color (Portadas, Viñetas, Láminas a página entera, etc.), de muy buen gusto (más de 30 Ejems.). Además de 4 Placas Fotográficas de Cristal (Rotas) de Soldados Españoles (¿Joló?). Contiene, además, 61 folios en que se contienen Fórmulas Farmaceúticas Varias; Descripción de Epidemias, Movimientos Militares, Trucos para Confeccionar Fuegos Artificiales; Una Pequeña Obra de Teatro alusiva a la situación Política y Militar; Desarrollo (en Dibujos) de Juegos de Papiroflexia, Jeroglíficos, Sombras Chinescas, etc.

IMPORTANTE EJEMPLAR.

Interesantísima Descripción de Filipinas en las postrimerías del Dominio Español.


2 tomos en 4º, más de 300 h. Encuadernación en pleno cartoné ilustrado editorial.



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Old March 20th, 2006, 02:58 AM   #7550
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Where's Then and Now Photos III?
Can someone give me a link?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=297314

LIBROS ANTIGUOS ROMO

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Originally Posted by Animo



"RECUERDOS DE FILIPINAS". Su Autor: José González García (Oficial Médico Español del Regimiento de Infantería IBERIA nº2), Diario recopilado en dos cuadernos manuscritos, con las Descripción exhaustiva de sus vivencias y lugares donde desarrolló su trabajo, desde su salida de España (Barcelona, 1878, Diciembreen el vapor bergantín "Aurrerá").

Su viaje, con una pormenorizada descripción de su paso por el Canal de Suez, Port-Said, Mar Rojo, Moka (Arabia), Golfo de Aden, Isla de Socotorra, estrecho de Yaquadivas y Maldivas, Canal de Malaca, Pulo-Jarrei, Singapur, isla Victoria, Manila. Sus estancias y Destinos Militares en Manila, Vigan, Joló, Zamboanga, con Excelentes Descripciones Etnológicas, Geográficas, Militares, Folklóricas, Zoológicas, Urbanísticas, de Oficios, Ocio, Musicales, etc.

Regreso a España en el vapor "Reina Mercedes" el 1º de Marzo de 1885: Singapur, Aden, Suez, Port-Said... El Diario acaba el 3 de Abril a 1.185 Millas de Port-Said, camino de España.



PRECIOSO EJEMPLAR.

Además está ilustrado con multitud de Dibujos Originales (Acuarela y tinta china), en Blanco y Negro, y Color (Portadas, Viñetas, Láminas a página entera, etc.), de muy buen gusto (más de 30 Ejems.). Además de 4 Placas Fotográficas de Cristal (Rotas) de Soldados Españoles (¿Joló?). Contiene, además, 61 folios en que se contienen Fórmulas Farmaceúticas Varias; Descripción de Epidemias, Movimientos Militares, Trucos para Confeccionar Fuegos Artificiales; Una Pequeña Obra de Teatro alusiva a la situación Política y Militar; Desarrollo (en Dibujos) de Juegos de Papiroflexia, Jeroglíficos, Sombras Chinescas, etc.

IMPORTANTE EJEMPLAR.

Interesantísima Descripción de Filipinas en las postrimerías del Dominio Español.


2 tomos en 4º, más de 300 h. Encuadernación en pleno cartoné ilustrado editorial.


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It's good to create this thread @Animo so that those precious Philippines 'Then and Now' photos do not get lost and buried in the Archived threads. It's easier to tap this thread.

There are some more 1800s photos posted by @Paulkrps not included in the links.

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It's good to create this thread @Animo so that those precious Philippines 'Then and Now' photos do not get lost and buried in the Archived threads. It's easier to tap this thread.

There are some more 1800s photos posted by @Paulkrps not included in the links.
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There are some more 1800s photos posted by @Paulkrps not included in the links.
No problem. The other thread is almost on its limit and dizflip asked about those links. Which thread was that?
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No problem. The other thread is almost on its limit and dizflip asked about those links. Which thread was that?
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Just a thought, where we better off if we stuck it out with the Spaniards or the Americans, as compared to us being an independent nation. What do you think?
We would surely be rich, idadrag nila tayo sabay ang kayamanan nila!!!!
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Let me rephrase that - what I meant was what would have happened if we remained a colony or became a province of Spain or one of the states or a territory of the U.S. Would things have been better?
Im not sure what the right answer is but IMO, no.
But let us compare our status when we were a Spanish colony (maritime province) and when we were a US colony (incl. commonwealth).

We were a Maritime Province of Spain (provincia de ultramar) for the most part of the 19th century (after Mexico gained independence, we were transferred to the direct control of Spain). The year was 1811, the Manila Galleon trade finally ended and Mexico and many other former Spanish colonies in America gained independence. In the Philippines, the first Nationalist Movement was launched by the creoles living in the islands (Mexican Andres Novales et al). Spain was in political turmoil that time(as for most of the remaining part of the 19th century.) The liberals have been fighting the monarchy for the government and stability of Iberia and the colonies. The liberals won for a short time and issued the Cadiz Constitution that made all the colonies equal with the provinces and all the indios and insulares born in the colonies were made Citizens of Spain. This constitution went into effect in the Philippine Islands (Latin America already gained independence then.) And the years 1811-1898 was a period of instability and conflicting policies (conservative monarchy vs liberals) for the remaining provinces (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Filipinas). Spanish Governor Generals in the Philippines differed in policies and approach from term to term. Some were liberal and followed the provisions of the Cadiz Constitution and some were conservative monarchist(cruel). Gov. Narciso Claveria understood this and right away issued the Catalogo de los Nombres y Apellidos Filipinos. As citizens of Spain, the indios were required to acquire a full Spanish name and apellido (Indios Filipinos only had one name--indigenous first name). Also, as citizens of Spain, the indios filipinos were required to register(cedula) and pay tax. (Polo and tributo no more). Indio became Juan de la Cruz. Juan de la Cruz was a citizen of Spain, Filipinas a Maritime Province.

As citizens of Spain, Filipinos (indios) were allowed to go to Spain and study, work, live and even marry Spanish girls. Let us then compare the status of filipinos in the homeland(Phils) and in their mother countries of Spain and the US during those two periods. Did the Filipinos enjoy these citizenship benefits during the US regime and commonwealth? (Research the "Manongs" & Sakadas, the "Manila Men" and "No Dogs Allowed".) The Filipinos were never given citizenship rights during the US era. We were only US nationals.

In the Philippines, the economy fluorished and grew rapidly in the 19th century as liberal ideas and policies from Europe were finally permitted. More filipinos were able to enjoy the benefits of this growing economy and many indios became rich. The transfer of Spanish industries to Filipino ownership should have occured if the First Philippine Republic was let to determine and design the country's destiny and economy. Its defeat and the US takeover of the Philippines only allowed the same setup to continue(incl. landlordism?) and even added to more economic slavery (US ownership of industries/transfer of ownership to US with few Filipino partners and benefactors). The question is: Did we win our country back from the US last July 4, 1946 like we did the bloody fight of 1896-June 12, 1898? Or was it a give-away and therefore ceremonial handover? Right, i should stop here before they start calling me a communist.

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Let me rephrase that - what I meant was what would have happened if we remained a colony or became a province of Spain or one of the states or a territory of the U.S. Would things have been better?
Im not sure what the right answer is but IMO, no.
But let us compare our status when we were a Spanish colony (maritime province) and when we were a US colony (incl. commonwealth).

We were a Maritime Province of Spain (provincia de ultramar) for the most part of the 19th century (after Mexico gained independence, we were transferred to the direct control of Spain). The year was 1811, the Manila Galleon trade finally ended and Mexico and many other former Spanish colonies in America gained independence. In the Philippines, the first Nationalist Movement was launched by the creoles living in the islands (Mexican Andres Novales et al). Spain was in political turmoil that time(as for most of the remaining part of the 19th century.) The liberals have been fighting the monarchy for the government and stability of Iberia and the colonies. The liberals won for a short time and issued the Cadiz Constitution that made all the colonies equal with the provinces and all the indios and insulares born in the colonies were made Citizens of Spain. This constitution went into effect in the Philippine Islands (Latin America already gained independence then.) And the years 1811-1898 was a period of instability and conflicting policies (conservative monarchy vs liberals) for the remaining provinces (Cuba, Puerto Rico, Filipinas). Spanish Governor Generals in the Philippines differed in policies and approach from term to term. Some were liberal and followed the provisions of the Cadiz Constitution and some were conservative monarchist(cruel). Gov. Narciso Claveria understood this and right away issued the Catalogo de los Nombres y Apellidos Filipinos. As citizens of Spain, the indios were required to acquire a full Spanish name and apellido (Indios Filipinos only had one name--indigenous first name). Also, as citizens of Spain, the indios filipinos were required to register(cedula) and pay tax. (Polo and tributo no more). Indio became Juan de la Cruz. Juan de la Cruz was a citizen of Spain, Filipinas a Maritime Province.

As citizens of Spain, Filipinos (indios) were allowed to go to Spain and study, work, live and even marry Spanish girls. Let us then compare the status of filipinos in the homeland(Phils) and in their mother countries of Spain and the US during those two periods. Did the Filipinos enjoy these citizenship benefits during the US regime and commonwealth? (Research the "Manongs" & Sakadas, the "Manila Men" and "No Dogs Allowed".) The Filipinos were never given citizenship rights during the US era. We were only US nationals.

In the Philippines, the economy fluorished and grew rapidly in the 19th century as liberal ideas and policies from Europe were finally permitted. More filipinos were able to enjoy the benefits of this growing economy and many indios became rich. The transfer of Spanish industries to Filipino ownership should have occured if the First Philippine Republic was let to determine and design the country's destiny and economy. Its defeat and the US takeover of the Philippines only allowed the same setup to continue(incl. landlordism?) and even added to more economic slavery (US ownership of industries/transfer of ownership to US with few Filipino partners and benefactors). The question is: Did we win our country back from the US last July 4, 1946 like we did the bloody fight of 1896-June 12, 1898? Or was it a give-away and therefore ceremonial handover? Right, i should stop here before they start calling me a communist.
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