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Old June 10th, 2011, 10:22 AM   #5221
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Old June 12th, 2011, 08:10 PM   #5223
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whew, nice! that's the prioritization part of it. actually, the FS can still help in
the way we prioritize what to do first, second, third, and so on and so forth,
subject to the availability of money.

financial feasibility is generally express in FIRR, economic in EIRR (financial or
economic internal rate of return). what NEDA does is prioritize the projects
according to their EIRR - the higher the number the higher the priority. i'm
generalizing, of course - and really there is a clearly-defined procedure but
you're right, politics does come into play. at the very least, even politics
generally can not push a project with a failing EIRR ...
Agree with the "generalizing" portion! There will always be surprises along the way. But we should be very wary about relying on IRR alone. Maybe it's just me but we must ask ourselves whether a certain high IRR is possible to maintain. We should refer to past experiences and existing business, to see whether an opportunity to reinvest cash flows at that high IRR is really possible.
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Old June 14th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #5224
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share ko lang sana if ever cebu will have lrt hope it will be aesthetically as pleasing as this.








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Old June 15th, 2011, 09:26 AM   #5225
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Zidlakan: oh yes we will. the cebu BRT is already well on its way for implementation
(see BRT thread for news). but the problem is, you don't believe its an urban
mass transport system,
or you would have stop complaining already. unfor-
tunately, the whole world and the transportation experts of the world do
consider it as such, so we can't do anything if you live in your own world with
your own definition of what and urban mass transport system is. di jud ta
mahuman, naa na gani gibuhat, di man sad ka mo support kay para nimo
dili mass transport system, so di jud ta magdaug ...

dont put words into my keyboards zid..i never said that BRT is not mass transport system. in fact i would ride one if there is one in our neighborhood..what i am advocating for is an efficient mass transport system for intercity travel! do you distinguish now what i mean by this? think about strategic urban mass transport system zid think!


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what do you mean no encouragement? FOUR studies and you ask about
encouragement? there was plenty of encouragement - the funding for the
first one, and the authority for the second, the funding for the third, and
another permit to study for the fourth. what other encouragement do you
need for studies? there were 4 FS'es for rail!!!!

that was 20 years ago! the traffic situation in cebu was different then than today.. and what year are we now?


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you were grade 3 in 1992? so in 1995, you were in grade 6, in 1999 you
were 4th year high school. were you reading the newspapers then? of
course i entertained the idea - i even supported it!! i was one of the main
proponents of the rail solution (you don't know because maybe you were
not reading newspapers in elementary and high school), even if i see that
the numbers do not indicate its feasible. its only in 2000 when i saw the
numbers for the BRT that i believed a mass transport system can be finan-
cially and economically feasible.

who cares about newspapers when you are in high school? bitaw sir busy ko didto tambay sa mango avenue during my younger years..uban nako uyab pirmi!

anything is possible if you have the will! and if you stick to your logic..then an oversized jeepney can be financially and economically feasible pud!


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did i try to entertain an idea about connecting the MCIA with a train even
without a feasibility study? of course i did! and not without a feasibility
study
- i was involved with 3 of the 4. and the studies show its not feasi-
ble crossing the channel - that's why its always omitted!

you just contradicted yourself zid. which is which?

so you mean to say that those old FS really considered connecting the airport to cebu mainland before? or were they?


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bay, i'm not favoring the BRT concept without lack of in-depth understan-
ding - i know the feasibilities for both systems intimately, and i made a
sound judgment
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good for you sir zid! i favor BRT too on some routes, but not on major corridors for intercity travel!

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then why are you pushing for one system you haven't seen a study of and
disregarding another you haven't even seen the study of?

because i have lived in places where buses are replaced by trains running on major transport corridors/ to and from the airports because of efficiency issues! WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM! not from ourselves!

in short i still prefer a mixed mass transport system for cebu just like this!

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Old June 15th, 2011, 09:38 AM   #5226
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very nice! anything can look good as long as there is a will to do it!
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Old June 15th, 2011, 09:51 AM   #5227
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i hope nga ang cebu brt ma extend pa gikan carcar hangtud danao then dili lang mo stop sa airport diha sa lapu2x kundi lahos pa jud hangtud punta engaņo..

we really need it badly na jud, as in ASAP kay karon na jud unta ni siya kinahanglan...what if kaha noh 5 years ago pa ni siya na implement, nindot na unta ron ang Cebu road situation, mas boom pa ato economy..
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Old June 15th, 2011, 09:59 AM   #5228
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for me bai i would prefer to have one like these from north to south of cebu island..




Sus kalami gyud moadto sa San Remegio pirmi ani!

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Old June 15th, 2011, 10:08 AM   #5229
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di lagi maklaro imo pictures bay..hehe
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Old June 15th, 2011, 10:13 AM   #5230
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sulti an nako driver sa train bai nga hinay hinay lang para ma klaro ang pictures he he!
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Old June 15th, 2011, 10:50 AM   #5231
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Cordova’s ‘mini-Boracay’ expanded

Work on the “mini-Boracay” reclamation project in Cordova town has begun, with the Capitol extending its coverage from 10 hectares to 20 hectares.

Cordova Mayor Adelino Sitoy confirmed to Cebu Daily News that phase I of the reclamation project began with the Provincial Planning and Development Office amending the existing Environmental Certificate Clearance (ECC) in the area.

Sitoy met with engineer Adolfo Quiroga of the PPDO and Cebu Gov. Gwendolyn Garcia after the Provincial Development Council (PDC) meeting yesterday afternoon. The project is aimed at providing livelihood for Cordova residents.

Sitoy said they are still processing the permits for the “mini-Boracay” project which covers six barangays as well as the papers for another reclamation project in their area, which covers 132 hectares.

The mayor said they are looking at commercial investments once phase I of the reclamation project is completed.

Sitoy said the project will be funded by the Capitol, which will allocate a share of the revenues with Cordova town.

During the PDC meeting, Garcia said they will conduct an inventory of all reclamation projects in the province.

The governor said the guidelines for the creation of the Cebu Provincial Reclamation Authority (CPRA) are being worked on. Provincial Board (PB) Member Peter John Calderon told the mayors they will send these guidelines after two months.

Under the amended ordinance creating the CPRA, the province is entitled to 10 percent of the usable reclaimed land in all reclamation projects.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 12:00 PM   #5232
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for me bai i would prefer to have one like these from north to south of cebu island..




Sus kalami gyud moadto sa San Remegio pirmi ani!
eventually mahitabo gyud na sa cebu. siguro unahon ang transcentral highway unya idugang pud ang railway system kon gusto gyud ta nga mo lambo. pagkakaron cebu is very limited in its developments kay kuwang paman ta ug transportation infrastructures. mag nga2x lang ta kon maka kita ta sa mga high end development sa china. mora ug layo ra gyud kaayo atoa to think nga mas free ta kay sa kanila.
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Old June 15th, 2011, 02:29 PM   #5233
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that was 20 years ago! the traffic situation in cebu was different then than today.. and what year are we now?
first study was 20 years ago (actually 19). but there were four:

1992: Pre-Feasibility Study of the Metro Cebu Mass Transport Study
1995: Jefferies Study for an Unsolicited Proposal
1999: JICA Study for Cebu LRT
2005: Halcrow Study for Cebu LRT
2009: AMA Group updated the Halcrow Study to submit an Unsolicited Proposal

we're 2011 now, about two years after the AMA Group proposal. It was NOT
accepted by DOTC. And you want another study now? Do you think, after
two years, the feasibility indicators will already be acceptable to DOTC?

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who cares about newspapers when you are in high school? bitaw sir busy ko didto tambay sa mango avenue during my younger years..uban nako uyab pirmi!

anything is possible if you have the will! and if you stick to your logic..then an oversized jeepney can be financially and economically feasible pud!
i only pointed out that at that time that i was advocating for the LRT, you
were not reading newspapers. otherwise, you would have known that i was
an advocate of the LRT. its not as if i am not familiar with the costs and
revenue streams of LRTs or its feasibility analysis.

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you just contradicted yourself zid. which is which?
i did not, at least not from my perspective. i've always been consistent in
this issue.

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so you mean to say that those old FS really considered connecting the airport to cebu mainland before? or were they?
oh yes! during the study, initially at the initial part. they immediately drop
off that part after initial analysis because, "surprise," it simply cost too much!

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because i have lived in places where buses are replaced by trains running on major transport corridors/ to and from the airports because of efficiency issues! WE SHOULD LEARN FROM THEM! not from ourselves!

in short i still prefer a mixed mass transport system for cebu just like this!
because "YOU" have lived in places ...

government does not make decisions because a certain person "lived" in such
and such a place. we don't make billion-peso infrastructure based on the
"experience" of one person. countries don't do projects because "YOU"
"prefer" it. projects such as this are done by procedures set by NEDA which
has been established to ensure that investments are fully used for economic
benefits. if you really believe in what you're saying, SHOW "YOUR" PROOF!



we've been discussing this for quite some time, years actually. from the
very start, all i just wanted from you guys is just factual and authoritative
studies that what you're saying is supported by intelligent analysis based
on transport principles and economic calculations. but its all talk and some
drawings. and now you're complaining why we're not doing studies for the
cebu LRT? why don't you do it! we've done enough, and IT IS SIMPLY NOT
FEASIBLE. want us to do? spend millions and millions of pesos to do studies
for a project which is not feasible?

why don't you do it? i think we've done enough and the BRT is on time with
all the studies supported. and, not only for cebu city but for inter-city
connectivity. as i said before, you can continue to dream and post pictures
here. it will not change the fact that its going to be the BRT which will be
implemented and not the LRT.

unless you give a Feasibility Study that says otherwise ....
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Old June 15th, 2011, 03:53 PM   #5234
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very nice! anything can look good as long as there is a will to do it!
saan to??? the best fly over i've seen in the world
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Old June 15th, 2011, 09:57 PM   #5235
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very nice! anything can look good as long as there is a will to do it!
So do you mind to tell us what this is please ?
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Old June 16th, 2011, 05:30 AM   #5236
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So do you mind to tell us what this is please ?
Elevated airstrip...
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Old June 16th, 2011, 03:33 PM   #5237
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i think in chennai or pune?
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Old June 17th, 2011, 12:29 AM   #5238
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Hi to everyone here. Can anyone help me find an affordable package to bohol for 9 persons? Your reccomendations and suggestions will be appreciated. Will be going there this coming august.thanks
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first study was 20 years ago (actually 19). but there were four:

1992: Pre-Feasibility Study of the Metro Cebu Mass Transport Study
1995: Jefferies Study for an Unsolicited Proposal
1999: JICA Study for Cebu LRT
2005: Halcrow Study for Cebu LRT
2009: AMA Group updated the Halcrow Study to submit an Unsolicited Proposal

we're 2011 now, about two years after the AMA Group proposal. It was NOT
accepted by DOTC. And you want another study now? Do you think, after
two years, the feasibility indicators will already be acceptable to DOTC?



i only pointed out that at that time that i was advocating for the LRT, you
were not reading newspapers. otherwise, you would have known that i was
an advocate of the LRT. its not as if i am not familiar with the costs and
revenue streams of LRTs or its feasibility analysis.



i did not, at least not from my perspective. i've always been consistent in
this issue.



oh yes! during the study, initially at the initial part. they immediately drop
off that part after initial analysis because, "surprise," it simply cost too much!


why don't you do it? i think we've done enough and the BRT is on time with
all the studies supported. and, not only for cebu city but for inter-city
connectivity. as i said before, you can continue to dream and post pictures
here. it will not change the fact that its going to be the BRT which will be
implemented and not the LRT.

unless you give a Feasibility Study that says otherwise ....
thanks for your comprehensive reply sir zid.. as I have said BRT is good within certain routes in Cebu and I support that plan too. however, your planned INTERCITY BRT might not be as efficient as you have promised to cebuanos. Why? because you still have no concrete answer how these buses will go around several intersections without sacrificing travel time! (and i hate to say this again and again )


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government does not make decisions because a certain person "lived" in such
and such a place. we don't make billion-peso infrastructure based on the
"experience" of one person. countries don't do projects because "YOU"
"prefer" it. projects such as this are done by procedures set by NEDA which
has been established to ensure that investments are fully used for economic
benefits. if you really believe in what you're saying, SHOW "YOUR" PROOF!
i did not say that the government will base their decision based on my opinion! lol! i am just merely stating the fact that i have personal experience riding these systems! and because you were asking me for proof.

as a tax paying resident, maybe i have the right to voice my opinion about what should be BEST for my community and how our taxes should be well spent. not the PWEDE NA solutions.


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we've been discussing this for quite some time, years actually. from the
very start, all i just wanted from you guys is just factual and authoritative
studies that what you're saying is supported by intelligent analysis based
on transport principles and economic calculations. but its all talk and some
drawings. and now you're complaining why we're not doing studies for the
cebu LRT? why don't you do it! we've done enough, and IT IS SIMPLY NOT
FEASIBLE. want us to do? spend millions and millions of pesos to do studies
for a project which is not feasible?
yes! you are right its been years..but your BRT is still on FS stage! and when are we going to have an intercity BRT? maybe 2020 pa? i hope it will last after your retirement zid!

i can't give you economic calculations but i can state some transport principles.. see this drawing as an example of that principle that im trying to help you understand. and yes another drawing because it speaks a thousand words! and if you have questions about it pls. let me know..

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