2015 Rugby World Cup - stadium usage and the football season

[crazydude]

Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think most British isles bids will usually contain the odd game in another British/Irish country as it does make economic sense, and helps to garner support for that bid.

I think a 'Celtic World Cup' one day would be superb, with Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Personally, given the need for RWC's to maximise profits, I'm not sure if Scotland could generate enough income to play host to 50% of a world cup.

Japan v Georgia would probably get a crowd of 50,000 in Cardiff or Dublin, but maybe only 20,000 in Edinburgh or Glasgow.

There seems to be an unwritten rule to alternate the tournement between a non-European country, and then a European country. SO 2023 should be either Australia, Argenetina, or hopefully South Africa.

The big advantage in Europe is that people can go to other countries easily, SA Aus and NZ are super far apart.

[CharlieP]

Originally Posted by crazydude

There seems to be an unwritten rule to alternate the tournement between a non-European country, and then a European country. SO 2023 should be either Australia, Argenetina, or hopefully South Africa.

So you're saying the rule needs to be broken in 2023?

[crazydude]

Originally Posted by CharlieP

So you're saying the rule needs to be broken in 2023?

I just re-read my post, and meant to say that it alternated between North and South before Japan 2019. I think the IRB may want Argentina to host soon, to grow the game, but SA has been waiting since 95!

[rodem]

The 2015 Rugby World Cup will be the eighth Rugby World Cup, the quadrennial rugby union world championship. The tournament will be hosted by England from 4 September to 17 October 2015.

In addition, Cardiff's 74,500-seater Millennium Stadium in Wales will also be used. England was chosen to host the competition in July 2009, beating out rival bids from Italy, Japan and South Africa.

[gorgu]

Originally Posted by crazydude

I just re-read my post, and meant to say that it alternated between North and South before Japan 2019. I think the IRB may want Argentina to host soon, to grow the game, but SA has been waiting since 95!

and so they should you still have Argentina, USA, Canada, Italy, Scotland and Ireland who have yet to be full hosts for the RWC.

Then emerging nations such as Spain, Holland, Zimbabwe who should all consider being hosts.

England really is getting to host it twice as the 91 RWC was more theirs than the rest of the home nations but money talked after NZ so now it is time to concentrate on expanding and giving the RWC to other nations outside the big five!

[gorgu]

Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think most British isles bids will usually contain the odd game in another British/Irish country as it does make economic sense, and helps to garner support for that bid.

I think a 'Celtic World Cup' one day would be superb, with Ireland, Scotland and Wales. Personally, given the need for RWC's to maximise profits, I'm not sure if Scotland could generate enough income to play host to 50% of a world cup.

Japan v Georgia would probably get a crowd of 50,000 in Cardiff or Dublin, but maybe only 20,000 in Edinburgh or Glasgow.

That is why you would give Japan v Geargia to Kilmarnock, Inverness, Dundee, Perth, Kirkcaldy with excellent stadia around the 10K mark perfect for a set of smaller nations to play at and would also probably be close to capacity as these towns would adopt some of the smaller teams.

[JamesWales]

Originally Posted by gorgu

That is why you would give Japan v Geargia to Kilmarnock, Inverness, Dundee, Perth, Kirkcaldy with excellent stadia around the 10K mark perfect for a set of smaller nations to play at and would also probably be close to capacity as these towns would adopt some of the smaller teams.

Fine, but the IRB and organisers want to maximise crowds. If you can get a far bigger crowd for the lesser games elsewhere, then thats what's likely to happen.

[CharlieP]

Originally Posted by JamesWales

Fine, but the IRB and organisers want to maximise crowds. If you can get a far bigger crowd for the lesser games elsewhere, then thats what's likely to happen.

Indeed. I'm actually surprised that Kingsholm is being used in 2015, given that the smallest crowd in 2007 was 24,128.

[JamesWales]

I am as well. On paper Ashton Gate would possibly be a better option. Gloucester is a real rugby town I suppose, and I think Kingsholm is being expanded as well.

[CharlieP]

I'm certainly planning on going to all the games at Elland Road, and a few others once the schedule is known.

[Schmeek]

Originally Posted by JamesWales

I am as well. On paper Ashton Gate would possibly be a better option. Gloucester is a real rugby town I suppose, and I think Kingsholm is being expanded as well.

I think there's every chance Ashton Vale might feature instead, James.

[TommyGod]

Originally Posted by CharlieP

I'm certainly planning on going to all the games at Elland Road, and a few others once the schedule is known.

You should prey that they dont use Elland road, its an absolute dump, has none existant legroom, poor facilities, and is a nightmare to get to unless you live in Leeds.

A Rugby Union match in Yorkshire would be better played at Huddersfields Galpharm which would offer a far better experience for sponsors and fans.

Looking west of the Pennines, i wonder if St.Helens new stadium will come into the reckoning for one of the smaller less glamorous matches.

I suspect premier League football grounds will be pretty much off limits, except for perhaps a one off game. I certainly could not see Sir Alex wanting Old Trafford to be used for a couple of RU internationals then the RL grand final all around September/October.

[CharlieP]

Originally Posted by TommyGod

You should prey that they dont use Elland road, its an absolute dump, has none existant legroom, poor facilities, and is a nightmare to get to unless you live in Leeds.

A Rugby Union match in Yorkshire would be better played at Huddersfields Galpharm which would offer a far better experience for sponsors and fans.

Looking west of the Pennines, i wonder if St.Helens new stadium will come into the reckoning for one of the smaller less glamorous matches.

I suspect premier League football grounds will be pretty much off limits, except for perhaps a one off game. I certainly could not see Sir Alex wanting Old Trafford to be used for a couple of RU internationals then the RL grand final all around September/October.

The venues were all decided two years ago - 7 of the 12 are Premier League soccer stadia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Ru...rld_Cup#Venues

[Immunda Leodis]

Originally Posted by TommyGod

You should prey that they dont use Elland road, its an absolute dump, has none existant legroom, poor facilities, and is a nightmare to get to unless you live in Leeds.

A Rugby Union match in Yorkshire would be better played at Huddersfields Galpharm which would offer a far better experience for sponsors and fans.

Looking west of the Pennines, i wonder if St.Helens new stadium will come into the reckoning for one of the smaller less glamorous matches.

I suspect premier League football grounds will be pretty much off limits, except for perhaps a one off game. I certainly could not see Sir Alex wanting Old Trafford to be used for a couple of RU internationals then the RL grand final all around September/October.

ER a nightmare to get to? It's right next to a junction of the M621, so piss easy to get to in a car and there are specials running from right next to the train station, if you come by rail. Unless you're a bit dim it's one of the easier football grounds to get to in the country.

Wouldn't know about legroom as I haven't sat down at ER since about 1996. The facilities under the stands are comparable to most new stands and stadiums built in the last 20 years for 'normal' fans; nothing to write home about but I don't go to Football / Rugby to sample the cuisine or admire the finish in the toilets. The corporate offering isn't that good at ER but most Leeds fans would see that as a bonus.

The Galpharm has 15k less seats, which are miles away from the pitch and the corners are very open so the atmosphere is shite there. It's also got one main road in and out of it so that is a nightmare to get to, on the very rare occasions when it is full.