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Old February 11th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #21
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I'm not too familar with Indonesian history/culture lol.

I'm interested in Manchu culture and I'm aware of many influences it has on Chinese culture especially in the north. Can you give any examples where this is the case?

I know one is that the long tail hair thing is from Manchu style. I just believe if there was a Manchuria, it would add more diversity to this north east region with China, Manchuria, Mongolia, Korea & Japan.

I wish Korea was united though, it's a shame their apart!
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Old February 11th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #22
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It would be cool to have a country called Manchuria today with it's own culture, cities, language etc...
No need to feel sorry for them, they brought this onto themselves. Had they stayed out of China and formed their own nation, there will probably be a Machurian nation now and not be assimilated. You win some, you lose some, and in their case, they won big and lost big.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 06:57 PM   #23
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whatever the case, I'm saying that it's a shame that it's happened as it's always a shame when an element of culture is lost forever.
It would be cool to have a country called Manchuria today with it's own culture, cities, language etc...
It would also be "cool" to have multiple Native-American nations today with their own cultures, cities languages... etc.

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I know one is that the long tail hair thing is from Manchu style. I just believe if there was a Manchuria, it would add more diversity to this north east region with China, Manchuria, Mongolia, Korea & Japan.

I wish Korea was united though, it's a shame their apart!
So let's add more "diversity" in Northeast Asia by splitting up China even though the Manchu ethnic group is essentially completed Hanized and let's unite North & South Koreas (so we have one less country) even though the cultural differences between N & S Koreas are much greater than a modern Manch and a modern Han...
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Old February 13th, 2011, 05:59 AM   #24
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It would also be "cool" to have multiple Native-American nations today with their own cultures, cities languages... etc.
yep that indeed would be awesome. I have nothing against USA, but I'm just saying that it would be interesting. Like alternate histories. Also South America/Central America. Like a modern Mayan state or Aztec state etc... don't you reckon it'll be 'cool'??

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So let's add more "diversity" in Northeast Asia by splitting up China even though the Manchu ethnic group is essentially completed Hanized and let's unite North & South Koreas (so we have one less country) even though the cultural differences between N & S Koreas are much greater than a modern Manchu and a modern Han...
I'm not counting numbers here. When I meant having a Manchurian nation, I didn't mean it forming out of today's context. I meant throughout history if the Manchu's obviously weren't Hanized/Sinicized and eventually formed it's own state however it's history may of played out.

I know N & S Korea have vast cultural differences, but if the events of WWII/Korean War etc... never played out the way it did, Korea would of been one like Vietnam. But that's nothing to do with the issue here.
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Old February 13th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #25
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yep that indeed would be awesome. I have nothing against USA, but I'm just saying that it would be interesting. Like alternate histories. Also South America/Central America. Like a modern Mayan state or Aztec state etc... don't you reckon it'll be 'cool'??

I'm not counting numbers here. When I meant having a Manchurian nation, I didn't mean it forming out of today's context. I meant throughout history if the Manchu's obviously weren't Hanized/Sinicized and eventually formed it's own state however it's history may of played out.

I know N & S Korea have vast cultural differences, but if the events of WWII/Korean War etc... never played out the way it did, Korea would of been one like Vietnam. But that's nothing to do with the issue here.
My mistake then.

I have absolutely nothing against people fantasizing about "alternative history". In fact I do that myself sometimes.

I've mistaken you with someone who is serious about making drastic changes to modern politics without concerns to lives of hundreds of millions just to fulfill one's own curiousity.
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Old February 14th, 2011, 05:31 AM   #26
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sorry probably didn't state my post clearly lol
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Chinese culture does have a tendency to silently dominate all those who come into contact with it. In fact it is a trait that Confucius observed: "those who enter Xia become Xia, those who enter Yi (barbarian lands) become Yi". "Barbarians" who invade China, or peacefully migrate and settle, or if their lands are absorbed into the Chinese empire, all eventually become Chinese, which has no precedent in history.
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I would nice to split and give all Australian lands back to the aboriginals so that diversity can be achieved.
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Old February 16th, 2011, 11:01 AM   #29
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I know one is that the long tail hair thing is from Manchu style.
Braided hair was not isolated to the Manchus (who were originally a tribe of the Jurchens), many steppe nomads on the northern frontier braided their hair in different styles.
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so theres no way to tell a manchu from a han chinese apart right? unless they somehow speak it or state it in their family ancestory?
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Old August 15th, 2011, 08:26 AM   #31
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so theres no way to tell a manchu from a han chinese apart right? unless they somehow speak it or state it in their family ancestory?
As of today, there are no effective way to tell Manchus and Hans apart. The Manchu language is essentially dead and no one speaks it on a regular basis anymore. Also because many Manchus and Hans have intermarried in the past and ethnic minority groups in China tend to receive more benefits, most of the so-called Manchus are probably mixed with Han. I'm not too clear on PRC's requirements on proving your ancestry though.
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It's been a dying language for over a century.
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Old August 15th, 2011, 09:44 AM   #33
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from the sources i've read, it seems manchurian and mongolian sound a little similar but mongolian is from the (controversial) altaic family where as manchurian is from the tungusic family
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What do Hans think of Manchus?
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They loved Han culture and studied Han history so they wouldn't be barbaric.
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all non han people were barbarians at that time.

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