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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:04 PM   #1721
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Making Acland Street one way to cars (short of making it a mall) would probably make it far better than what it is currently like at the moment.
I've always though it should be closed to traffic. It'd really change the area for the better. I'm pretty surprised that it hasn't been done already, people can just continue to use Carlisle as the main throughfare into the triangle area from East St Kilda.
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Old September 29th, 2011, 12:11 PM   #1722
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Can't imagine Acland St one way with trams ? Wouldn't work.....if a mall went anywhere in St Kilda this would be it yet the minimal traffic here is just part of the hubub of life here......
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Old September 29th, 2011, 01:22 PM   #1723
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I was more suggesting that even a half done project would be a lot better than what is currently there at the moment. As for myself, I prefer a mall being there, would make an interesting non-CBD mall (with after-hours access) with the tram down the middle of it.

PS: When I meant one-way, just removing the parking spots from one side of the road and having it tram only, say, on the way out so at least one side of the road has a (admittedly marginally) wider footpath. (I know it is a stupid idea, just more of "anything is better than what is there right now" situation)
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Old September 29th, 2011, 05:35 PM   #1724
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The shop traders along Acland st wouldn't ever allow it to become a mall. The idea was once put to them around 10 years ago, it was 100% rejected by the traders..

And i have to admit that i say to my family and friends that come to Melb for a holiday or visit to just avoid St Kilda all together.
I dont like that St Kilda anymore, its just anouther nimby haven..
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Old September 29th, 2011, 05:46 PM   #1725
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Agreed. I must admit that every time I have been to St Kilda I just haven't connected with the area at all. It just was missing something that I couldn't quite put my finger on - slow but not because it's a laid back beach area but rather because there wasn't much going on.
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Old September 30th, 2011, 04:42 AM   #1726
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I think that making it pedestrian only would make a huge difference to the presentation and appeal of Acland St. Shame the traders don't see it the same way. Would really bring another level to the strip that is deperately needed.

Would just need to provide 1/2 decent, affordable, preferably underground parking options close-by to make it really viable. Was in St. Kilda on Tuesday night and from 8pm-midnight it costs $10 to park on the street? COME ON! Cheaper in the CBD.
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Old October 11th, 2011, 09:35 PM   #1727
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There is a model of 101 Collins made out of Lego in the foyer of the building. For anyone that's interested, or likes Lego...
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Old October 12th, 2011, 05:14 PM   #1728
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Disturbing developments Kate Shaw
October 13, 2011

Opinion

Modern urban renewal requires a rejection of the old ways of doing business.

THERE are good reasons for urban consolidation. They include limiting commuting distances, maintaining agricultural lands and protecting the bush. The advantages have to be reconciled with disadvantages of declining residential amenity, increasing traffic congestion and stress on existing infrastructure in the established city. Questions of housing affordability and access to public space further complicate a discussion that affects large cities everywhere.

City governments are looking to the renewal of waterfronts and former industrial lands as a solution to these tensions. Through the re-use of old buildings, construction of new buildings and provision of new infrastructure, new mixed-use areas are being created in many parts of the world with varying degrees of success. There are no simple answers, but ingredients of successful urban renewal include community involvement and an appreciation of ''mixed use'' that allows socially, culturally and economically diverse activities.

This kind of diversity is most likely to be ensured through strategic planning. The much-publicised problems at Docklands, Melbourne's signature urban renewal project, are not a failure of planning; there was no planning, only the division of publicly owned land for handover to private developers to do what they wanted, with a substantial gift of state-funded infrastructure. The developers responded as developers do: focused on maximising returns, they had little regard for the public realm and no regard for what other developers were doing on neighbouring sites.

The outcome was predictable: enormous buildings on massive podiums, arbitrarily varying form with no attention to the spaces between the buildings, and large residential, office and commercial spaces demanding maximum possible rents.

This is a very narrow interpretation of mixed use. Social and cultural diversity is severely constrained by the fact that only the most economically successful individuals and businesses can afford to locate there.

In part due to Docklands' failings, councils are getting better at strategic planning. Small area renewal and structure plans are now being prepared throughout the city, using consultative processes and informed by research that shows that building in strategic locations to a height of four to six storeys can accommodate the projected population increases and produce small ground-floor spaces that are better suited to diverse uses.

But a disturbing phenomenon is intruding on these strategic planning processes. In Footscray, St Kilda, Abbotsford, North Melbourne and Kensington at least, development applications many times the size and height of what is proposed in the relevant structure plans, and which offer the same old high-cost residential/office/commercial mix, are being made and seriously considered.

Councils have the capacity to suggest to such applicants that they come back with something more in keeping with objectives either already in existence or proposed in the structure plans. They are not doing this because they are being intimidated by the applicants or are rightly concerned that they will take their case directly to the state Planning Minister, Matthew Guy, who in his short time in office is gaining a reputation for interventions in the interests of land-owners that challenges his predecessors.

This is an unacceptable situation, made worse by the blatant intent of at least some of the applicants to capitalise on urban renewal. In Kensington, a proposal for a rezoning that cuts across the local structure planning process has been made by an investment fund that prides itself on a 70 per cent success rate in ''acquiring real estate assets and achieving planning permission for land use change''. Its stated objective is to achieve ''highest and best use'' of its property portfolios.

The rationale provided within the council for considering this rezoning is that this is the second time the applicant has asked for it. It is the same logic used by the minister to justify his recent short-lived intervention into Bass Coast Shire's planning process around Ventnor: that the owner sought the rezoning. Conceding to such requests is not planning. It is way too close to the non-planning at Docklands where developers made the decisions.

If we are not to repeat the mistakes of the last century, we need to take a different approach to renewal. There is enough land within Melbourne's existing boundary to provide for projected population growth over the next 10 years, if disincentives against land banking are introduced. Local communities within the boundary should be prepared to take their share of consolidation, and if the necessary infrastructure upgrades are offered I believe they will.

Many councils are trying to increase housing affordability - a fundamental condition for social and cultural diversity. This is a matter that does need state intervention, but in the interests of equity rather than capital accumulation. Increasing affordability requires more than increasing supply: if housing is to be accessible to low to middle-income earners, it must be built with that intent.

Modest, mid-rise, in-fill development in neighbourhood centres and along major roads, and renewal of old industrial areas with the intent of achieving social, cultural and economic mix, are the bare basics of a contemporary city. But 21st-century urban renewal requires more than this - it requires a rejection of the old ways of doing business.

Dr Kate Shaw is a research fellow in architecture building and planning at the University of Melbourne.


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Old October 18th, 2011, 02:38 AM   #1729
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For anyone who has a spare hour below is a lecture given by Rob Adams (Director Urban Design City of Melbourne) to the New Zealand Institute of Architects about the reinvigoration of Melbourne over the 27 years he has been in his role. abou 30-40 minutes is about Postcode 3000 related stuff and then 20-30 minutes is about his Transforming Australian Cities Report proposing development on tram corridors. then 20-30 minute panel discussion where Kiwi's extol the virtues of Melbourne.

This is a very interesting perspective in response to those who think that 'planners get it wrong' all the time.

http://nzia.seminarseries.co.nz/CPD_...t_Seminar.html
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Old October 21st, 2011, 12:02 PM   #1730
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Expert sees merit in Manhattan-style living for Melbourne
John Masanauskas Herald Sun October 21, 2011 12:00AM
A CONTROVERSIAL population analyst has called for the "Manhattanisation" of Melbourne's inner suburbs while criticising big business for failing to sell the benefits of growth.
Bernard Salt, a partner with KPMG, said the city's population could double to eight million in the decades to come, but jobs had to be decentralised from the CBD and located in self-contained residential zones linked by a ring road.

"These are enclaves where people can live, work, have recreation, go to universities and go to shops all within the local area," he told a Committee of Melbourne event this week.

"It reduces our intra-urban commuting, it probably obviates the need for a second crossing of the Yarra and creates a more work-life balance city."

Should Melbourne be Manhattanised? Tell us what you think below

Job centres would include Dandenong, Broadmeadows, Ringwood, Moorabbin and Frankston.

Mr Salt, whose pro-growth views are resented by many resident groups, said Melbourne could add millions of people through the "Manhattanisation" of suburbs within a 10-15km radius of the city centre.

"Densification done with proper planning processes would be focused on public transport routes and heritage areas would continue to be protected," he said.

"There is a way to find a middle ground that meets the needs and concerns of the protesters, which I respect, but also meeting the needs of taking Melbourne forward."

But Mary Drost, convenor of activist group Planning Backlash, said New York-style high density would ruin the city.

"We are so fortunate in Melbourne that we have space around us, while Manhattan is one of the most unliveable places in the world," Ms Drost said.

Mr Salt, who has a substantial business clientele, told the Committee for Melbourne meeting that he was offended by some of the negative attacks on property developers by anti-growth protesters.

"The people that I deal with are good people, good corporate citizens. They bend over backwards in terms of what they try to do for the community," he said.

"Yet they are silent around this big issue and I think it's time to put the other side of the debate."

Mr Salt said groups such as the Property Council and the Business Council of Australia should be more vocal in the debate.



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Old October 21st, 2011, 12:09 PM   #1731
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Bring it on........We could never replicate Manhattan but if NIMBY's could just see how densification can work successfully they could embrace parts of Melbourne soaring into the sky and also retain suburbs like Albert Park...Melbourne can be so diverse !!!!! Melbourne is so diverse.................
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Old October 21st, 2011, 02:00 PM   #1732
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We could never replicate Manhattan
If the Port of Melbourne were to move out of the area over the next half century - we'd be on the way to true "Manhattanisation".
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Old October 21st, 2011, 03:33 PM   #1733
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Hastings is trying to do it's part........but then do we have trucks traversing suburbia with all that freight ?
There is a bigger picture.......we just need someone to thread it all together,
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Old October 21st, 2011, 04:13 PM   #1734
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Manhattan one of the most unliveable places in the world lol. I've been here for over a week and would love to live in the East Village or Williamsburg. This city actually reminds me of what I love about Melbourne times 100. So diverse and happening.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 07:05 AM   #1735
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Yeah Manhattan is pretty unlivable. It just got annoying after a month of being there and you just want to get out. You'd have to pay me to live there. Melbourne can build higher density but it can learn from Manhattan's mistakes. It was stupid to build a large city on such a small island. They have a lot of problems and it will soon turn ugly.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 10:25 AM   #1736
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Parisification would suit me better.
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 11:48 AM   #1737
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Parisification would suit me better.
Absolutely spot on. I couldn't have said it better myself. The likes of South Yarra (besides forrest hill), prahran, richmond, windsor, st kilda etc can achieve high density through the form of parisian like height of say 8 stories.

There are plenty of opportunities to go to 50 stories in places like E-Gate, Docklands, Fishermans Bend along with the continual densification of South Bank, the northern CBD and on-going steady development in the CBD. There is no need to sell our souls when we have plenty of disused land ripe for that type of development...
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 12:46 PM   #1738
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good interview between Steve Vizard and Matthew Guy regarding Melbourne's future growth:

http://www.mtr1377.com.au/index2.php...=view&id=10402
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 03:34 PM   #1739
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 11:01 PM   #1740
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