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Borders Rail Link / Under Construction
Thought it deserved it's own thread, being such a big high-profile project.
Key Points: * Preliminary work (moving utilities etc) has started as of March 2010 * Major construction is due to start in Autumn 2011 * Line should open in 2014 * Total cost is estimated at £230m - £295m (2012 prices) * 35 miles of track, extending the current branch line to Newcraighall in Edinburgh's suburbs to Tweedbank in the Scottish Borders * 7 New Stations (Tweedbank, Galashiels, Stow, Gorebridge, Newtongrange, Eskbank, Shawfair) * 55 Minute travel time from Tweedbank to Waverley * Trains every 30 mins on peak, every hour off peak * Forecast for more than 8,000 homes to be built along the route as a result Project Website Route Map (there used to be a good one that was to scale and showed the travel time from each station to Edinburgh, but I can't find it now. Most of the track distance is between Gorebridge & Galashiels which is about 25 miles of the 35 mile total.
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I'm really happy about this project - it is unusually long-termist. Edinburgh is vital to the future of the Scottish economy but lacks the suburban rail network Glasgow has. This is the perfect start to addressing that.
One question though. Why does Galashiels appear as an 'interchange' station. Interchange with what? |
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Bout bloody time! Borders is a joke with its lack of public transport. This will mean I could actually get the train to Gala to say hi to parents rather than have them drive for 2 hours to come see me.
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It amazes me just how little investment and regeneration the Borders, Dumfries & Galloway have received. Its a barren wilderness of financial neglect. A couple of hospitals, a halfhearted college, a theatre rebuild with no revenue for staff, a network of co-op shops.... compared with the magnificent regeneration success stories in the H&I and central belt, its an embarrasment. And its been what, 10 years now since we were moving towards rebuilding this short stretch of, largely single track, modest speed rail line to a dead end. No intention to electrify it. No intention to link through to Hawick, then through Riccarton jn to either Carlisle or Hexham. No prospect for freight. No prospect of contributing to the upgrading of the UK rail network by adding alternative / diversionary routes. One of the fine successes of the Highlands regeneration is "the Tesco Train", Stobart's low profile containers carrying rail freight which takes 40+ trucks each day off the A9. But what comparable movement of goods will this pseudo Waverley Line rebuild provide? None. Yes, its taking too long. Its under specified. It doesn't connect at both ends. It leaves the Borders neglected, under resourced, lacking in necessary infrastructure. Its designed to fail. (or if that's too sensationalist, it is clearly not designed to achieve the range of positive outcomes which strategic public investment can and should strive to deliver) Last edited by DXNewcastle; July 15th, 2010 at 12:39 AM. Reason: sp |
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I'm sure the Transport Minister was quoted as saying, extending all the way to Carlisle is a long-term aspiration. There has to be a first step and this is it! The only way to fulfil these longer-term plans is for the initial scheme to be well-used and bring investment to the Borders. |
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"Was fairly popular in the skateboarding scene" - Well I'm convinced, I'll take buy 100.
Anyways, some news - it would seem there are some problems with the Tweedbank station - underground power cables have been found and the local paper reports that this might to lead to cost overruns or the station being moved. From The Borders Telegraph Quote:
I would assume there would some sort of contingency for this sort of situation, a problem like this must be almost inevitable on a project this big.
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I don't have the budget for the project, but in general there will always be a contingency for unseen infrastructure, geology, land acquisition issues, approvals (eg Environment Agency) etc. I can't help thinking that the whole project has been so lacking in newsworthy announcements that almost any trivia is news. (Hasn't that been the same for the new Ardrie-Bathgate line - lost achieved and nearly complete but still not publicised to it full potential?). I think there will be lots more hiccups before this one's completed - somehow I think its going to be a long long time. (Just compare it with the indecent speed in which competing rail companies built their lines back in the 1800's!) |
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Looks like the private sector isn't interested in the project. Will it really be done by 2014?
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The airdrie-bathgate link was executed very well I would say.
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It was extremely well executed.
But support for the borders rail link, outside of the limited catchment area that it will serve, is very low. There's a reason none of the private contracters would touch this. Airdrie to Bathgate was a no brainer, this is financial deadwater waiting to happen.
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Indeed there is and I'm not surprised in the slightest. It's also a bit of a kick in the stones for th new model of PFI. I'll reserve judgment on the involvement of Network Rail until we find out the funding details etc. What is quite ironic is that Network Rail expressed a willingness to take on the GARL project using the exact same mechanism used here, but that was shot down by the very people who are now handing them Borders Rail. It's a funny world...... Last edited by bestbud; October 3rd, 2011 at 05:53 PM. |
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But NR's biggest outgoing is its financing costs - most of which it 'inherited'. All the criticism NR receives whenever its lowest standard of sub-contracting is disclosed is usually uninformed - the Company can't be blamed for trying to reduce its crippling on-going finance costs. We should be grateful that it hasn't sold off more of its real estate already! |
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Commercial reasons dictated that private sector parties didn't want to de involved at the top tier. What does that say about the calculation of measuring potential profits against risks? What is interesting is that the new CEO of NR, David Higgins, recently made noises about its "major projects division" becoming more efficient and profitable, by bidding for outside work, even overseas. Borders Rail fits into that category perfectly, so there's no surprise NR are becoming more involved. I like his chat, but it'll only work if they find the right personnel. |
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